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If Paolo wins this case it won't cost 40 million to go after the rest. The key as I have always said are the advertisers and the profits from Tubes. If advertisers know they open themselves up to being sued because they advertise on Tubes they will think twice.
That will be good for other affiliates, without illegal Tubes, there will be more surfers floating around. Then all we need to do is win back their trust. Which will be far harder to do.Comment
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The solution to this is so simple it's frightening. Have live girls on the paysite can be Bree Olson if the site is dedicated to her, give the members flexible joins that suit their needs. Give them other content to contrast Bree or the main girl or style in the site. Basically spend less on what happens outside the members area and more on what happens inside the site.
I already have 1200 videos and adding all the time, live shows and the surfers see it. Will I get more joins if I double the length of join time or halve the price or if I give more to affiliates to send more traffic?Comment
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That is the short sightedness of this industry, but it's not just Internet porn. I've seen similar stupid things done by DVD porn.
Business strategists they are not. Any industry that sees less people coming and less joining and still thinks the solution is to send more people, has no clue what a business strategy is.Comment
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Some will never get it that most customers want 1-2 scenes and don't want to fuck around with all the problems ot a Torrent and definitely don't want to be downloading software. Customers not 12 year old kids. ;)
But if TR is successful the next step can be Torrent sites. Which is why we need to stand behind him.Comment
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If you guys want to find a place that has almost everyones content, from crazy stuff to puffy nipples, here it is, police it and you will want to cry. www.extreme-board.com
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and whoever runs livejasmin needs to be sued hardcore.. if anybody is willing to go after them with me, its on.
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arent .orgs easy to grab? They need to follow some non profit standards no? keep minutes etc? Has anyone tried that angle with icann on them?
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http://www.pir.org/index.php?db=cont...&tbl=FAQs&id=3Originally posted by (quoting from pir.org public interest registry)
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not sure I understand how a California state court would have jurisdiction over foreign based businesses. Let's say TR won this case - how do they enforce the decision against a Honk Kong entity whose owners are probably located in another unknown country?
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Isn't China pretty hardcore against porn...maybe TR just outing them to their Communist leaders will result in some "complications" where the owners trip down a set of stairs and onto a firing squad line.Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.Comment
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If this case is successful and it stops Tubes using content they don't own or don't have the rights to, there will be some customers returning. But not as many as we lost.
There's nothing to stop me opening a Tube site with content I own, giving it away for free, buying traffic and living off the profits from the adverts. The companies advertising on illegal Tubes will be looking for legal sites to advertise on.
Same goes for people like Brazzers. Or anyone with a lot of content that's not making money. Like content providers. So as the industry buys less content it's an option for content providers.
Then there are also the Tube sites with 3-6 minute clips, sometimes hosted by the sponsors. These sites will get content so they can sell dating and cam sites. All backed up by sponsors who will look for the easy route, even if it kills the business in the long run.
There is only one way to get customers to buy. That's give them something they want to buy. In adult it's even more important, because porn customers are repeat buyers. Customers who buy repeatedly have a habit of learning
And customers will decide the future of this industry.Comment
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It does not matter. The real target are the advertisers and a decision against them can be enforced. They might be sitting down next week and thinking about the merits of advertising with RT and other illegal sites. Not that this will stop the flow of customers over to legal Tubes. And away from buying porn.
If RT don't turn up how will that effect the case for the defendants? Doubt if it will help them. I'm not a lawyer so maybe we can have a comment from a lawyer.Comment
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Whatever became of this?Comment
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It was dropped/dismissed/settled most likely. There were a bunch of them 'resolved' and covered in the past two issues of the trades.
Almost ALL of these cases end with a lot of sabre rattling, and in the end they fold before going to trial. I think there have been easily a half dozen or more in the past few months according XBIZ. So many in fact, you can't keep up.
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$40 Million suit wow. Well, that's what happens when someone steals full length long videos that are like 10+ minutes long and lets users watch them for free I suppose.Send me an email: [email protected]Comment
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I never started any lawsuits myself. And I was never involved in any lawsuits.
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Please, don´t let this thread turn into another rambling fest
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I think the file sharing forums with rapidshare/megaupload/etc links are far more of a threat than tubes or torrents. The growth of sites like pornbb.org are exponential. People can download full site rips in HQ @1.0mb+/sec without needing seeds and no chance of being traced. It's far more dangerous to this industry than slow/unreliable p2p torrents and low quality tube clips.┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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Agreed.
However, I think the bank declines on initial, and rebilling, sales is a much bigger turd in the punch bowl then the tubes. If you can't convert people, or keep them rebilling, there is a much bigger issue going on.
People are still WANTING to buy and still WANT to remain members. But the bank declines are on the rise big time. Across ALL processors. Not just CCB.
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