XBIZ NEWS: RedTube Sued for $40 Million

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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #51
    Originally posted by st0ned
    Way to step up to the plate Teen Revenue.
    So we all need to step up to the plate and support them. not by posting on GFY. support them by sending traffic.

    http://www.teenrevenue.com/]Teen Revenue, yaking out fight to the courts.



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      • d-null
        . . .
        • Apr 2007
        • 13724
        #52
        Originally posted by Barefootsies
        You are one smart cookie tootsie.
        How are one touch cockie?

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          • Paul Markham
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            • Jun 2001
            • 52942
            #53
            Originally posted by Splum
            Haha "unfair business practices" yeah that'll go far. I think TeenRevenue is simply hoping that Redtube doesnt show up to the court case and they win by default lol, either that or they want to make Redtube spend money on a lawyer. This lawsuit will go nowhere mark my wise words.
            Redtube are in Hong Kong. They have to come over and get a lawyer, all costs money and in todays hard times it might not be worth it. And it's not just for one court appearance, CA courts have a habit of stringing cases out.

            Originally posted by Zorgman
            Interesting that their office is in Hong Kong.
            So does anyone have the contact details for the Hong Kong vice squad? I will email them.



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              • hjnet
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                • May 2002
                • 3815
                #54
                Great news, the outcome will have a huge effect on this industry, either way

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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942
                    #55
                    Originally posted by tabasco
                    Well played. Let's hope this sets a precedent and encourages more programs to sue.
                    A nice thought and if other programs see the massive support they get from taking this route they will. Not posing on GFY type support, sending them joins type support. It's going to be costly for Teen Revenue. We can ease the burdon.

                    Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                    "Those advertisers that also are named include Bangbros.com; Utherverse, which owns RedLightCenter; Generation Financial, which owns Videosz.com; Fling.com; SexSearch; Lalib Limitada, which owns LiveJasmin.com; FriendFinder Networks and Brazzers."

                    It looks like sleeping with a dog is producing fleas for some of its sponsors..
                    And not sending traffic to these guys will help as well. They will have to shell out money as well. Who thinks a few CEOs will be making a phone call to TR and asking if they can e struck off the list of defendants if they stop advertising. Pull your traffic and the cost of advertising gets even more expensive.

                    AND PLEASE NO MOANING ABOUT TIMES BEING HARD AND YOU NEEDING THE MONEY. TEEN REVENUE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE. ARE THEY STANDING THERE ALONE OR WITH FRIENDS?


                    Originally posted by teh ghey
                    damn they must be loaded. i should be selling teens, fuck
                    Teens has always been a good selling niche, the problem for some is the niche has a lot of very good affiliates pushing it already.

                    Should not stop people from giving TR a helping hand.



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                      • wjxxx
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 4448
                        #56
                        Great news

                        BTW porn is stricly forbidden in Hong Kong:

                        http://www.winandmac.com/news/hong-k...n-in-computer/

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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942
                            #57
                            Originally posted by CybermedAndy
                            Wow..dying to see how this turns out

                            too bad it will be tied up in court for the next 2 years
                            No that's good, while it's tied up it's costing defendants money. Money that's hard to come by today.



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                              • mynameisjim
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                                • Aug 2007
                                • 2985
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Snake Doctor

                                This suit was filed for reasons other than winning the suit itself.
                                That's the case with 99% of lawsuits involving multimillion dollar companies. Only criminal cases are simply about wins and losses. For better or worse, litigation is used as a threat even when you know you can't win.

                                But hey, Redtube exploited loopholes in a bad law to grow into existence and now TR is going to exploit a similarly flawed law to get them back.

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                                  • Mutt
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 34431
                                    #59
                                    interesting tact they are taking - i don't think anybody can comment on the merits of such a suit without knowing the California law they are using and without doing a search on cases which are relevant to this suit. i'd love it if there's some merit to their complaint.

                                    So in California if I had a hot dog stand and was selling hot dogs for a dollar and some guy decided to open a hot dog stand on the opposite corner from me and give them away for free or a nickel and destroyed my business I'd have legal cause to sue them for the financial damage they caused me?

                                    so this is now two lawsuits TR has initiated against RedTube and its advertisers? One from Paolo and now one from Kevin? They are partners in TeenRevenue?

                                    why RedTube? they can't even find the owner of it it sounds like and who knows if they ever will - when you have Pornhub based in Canada and lots of people who know for a fact who owns it?
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                                      • mynameisjim
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                                        • Aug 2007
                                        • 2985
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                        i

                                        So in California if I had a hot dog stand and was selling hot dogs for a dollar and some guy decided to open a hot dog stand on the opposite corner from me and give them away for free or a nickel and destroyed my business I'd have legal cause to sue them for the financial damage they caused me?
                                        I have no clue, but just to forward the discussion, I bet the law was some kind of response to foreign companies dumping super cheap goods at a loss into the American market, which was pretty popular a while back if I remember in certain sectors. Some Japanese car makers were even accused of doing this in the '80s.
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                                          • MIS
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                                            • Jan 2005
                                            • 127
                                            #61
                                            There are sure a lot of excited people here over this.

                                            Let's break this case down psychologically, and apply some common sense factors on how it will play out in the long run. The judge is first and foremost a human being, just like you and me. This judge most likely has a teen daughter or a teen grand daughter.. When he reads the case, and sees a name like TeenRevenue.com, what do you think his conscious and human instincts will say? Have any of you gone to TeenRevenue.com? they advertise short of lolita (little this, little that). The whole marketing scheme is screaming "these girls are not underage, but we want you to think and feel that they are underage so that you can fantasize about fucking little girls, so please signup". Sorry to put it that way, but anyone with half a brain in marketing can see the entire strategy here.

                                            Do you think the judge, or anyone in court would want to see a single dollar go and feed a a website like TeenRevenue?? I would not be surprised at all, if initially they do a more extensive investigation into TeenRevenue itself than RedTube, and don't be surprised if RedTube would not be trying to find and exploit something about TeenRevenue in this case. I know I would if RedTube was mine.

                                            with all that said, this case is going to go to court, and the judge is going to look at, as this teen promoting porn site wants to sue another porn site over loss of "sin" money. Do not think for a second that the judges are liberal and all that bullshit crap you think. Most judges are very religious and carry on a conservative point of view, even if they are democrats when it comes to voting in elections.

                                            To them, we are the scum and low lives of this earth, and the faster they can shut us all out, the better it is for the goverment and all of society. Everytime we bring porn into goverment halls, we bring more attention and first hand knowledge to the people in the goverment about how we thrive and operate. We give them more ideas on how to shut us down, and definitely good reasons to do so.

                                            In conclusion, and in my humble opinion, this case is going to be treated like two dirty dogs fighting each other, and no one is going to care about that shit, but the lawyers and the owners of such websites, everyone else in court is going to look at all of these lawyers and parties as scum bags who should not exist in the first place.

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                                              • Mutt
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Sep 2002
                                                • 34431
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                You can file a suit because it's simply Friday. Actually, this is a smart marketing ploy by Teenrevenue because it's a very cheap way of mass exposure/advertising.

                                                The downside is it also sends a message that Redtube has TR content (view it for free) plus by proxy TR is marketing for RedTube.
                                                meh ....... mass exposure/advertising to who? webmasters. TR doesn't need any exposure/advertising to webmasters, there's not a single affiliate who pushes teens who doesn't know they exist.

                                                and they aren't sending a message that RedTube has their content to surfers - because 99.99% of surfers don't read XBiz or anything else about the business side of porn.

                                                i don't know what their goal is with these suits, whether they think they have a reasonable chance of winning them, whether they are hoping for cash settlements or just frustrated enough with this tube shit that they are doing it to just to be a pain in the ass to the companies.
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                                                  • Mutt
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                    • 34431
                                                    #63
                                                    i highly doubt that the purpose of the lawsuits is the goodwill they will build with webmasters for taking on the evil tube site owners. but as a spinoff benefit it's not bad. i'm rooting for them.
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                                                      • d-null
                                                        . . .
                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                        • 13724
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                        That is exactly why they did it. Do you honestly think this will go to trial? No Judge wants to preside over ANY porn/adult case because one has to win. Second, the jury is not going to be pornographers or (admitted) surfers. RT Lawyers will pound away at the jury that TR specialize in "TEEN" pornographic movies. Then show a young girl in ponytails with a pink hello kitty shirt with a 12 inch black cock stuck in her mouth. Do you think TR will get any sympathy from the jury?
                                                        if you think the jury is going to be swayed by off-topic irrelevant details like you mention above, then how about the fact that TR can say that they keep their main content behind password protected doors that require credit cards which can keep out the underage, whereas RT's biggest viewers could be argued to be under 18...... if you put it that way alot of people in the public would prefer that the full content for free for everyone sites be shut down

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                                                          • MIS
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                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                            • 127
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                            That is exactly why they did it. Do you honestly think this will go to trial? No Judge wants to preside over ANY porn/adult case because one has to win. Second, the jury is not going to be pornographers or (admitted) surfers. RT Lawyers will pound away at the jury that TR specialize in "TEEN" pornographic movies. Then show a young girl in ponytails with a pink hello kitty shirt with a 12 inch black cock stuck in her mouth. Do you think TR will get any sympathy from the jury?
                                                            Exactly

                                                            And as to what you have to say "d-null", the jury is going to be made up of your average folks who half of them probably never seen what a porn site looks like. To them porn is porn, but teen porn sounds worse than just porn. Adults suppose to fuck, teens not suppose to fuck (in their eyes). Adult verification or not, shooting teen porn sounds worse than giving teens access to adult porn. Teen porn sounds like underage porn, where giving teens access to porn sounds like sex education class.

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                                                              • d-null
                                                                . . .
                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                • 13724
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MIS
                                                                Exactly

                                                                And as to what you have to say "d-null", the jury is going to be made up of your average folks who half of them probably never seen what a porn site looks like. To them porn is porn, but teen porn sounds worse than just porn. Adults suppose to fuck, teens not suppose to fuck (in their eyes). Adult verification or not, shooting teen porn sounds worse than giving teens access to adult porn. Teen porn sounds like underage porn, where giving teens access to porn sounds like sex education class.
                                                                wasn't it said that the TR stuff was all over RT as well though?

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                                                                  • FuzzyDunlop
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                                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                                    • 128
                                                                    #67
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                                                                      • MIS
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                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                        • 127
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by d-null
                                                                        wasn't it said that the TR stuff was all over RT as well though?
                                                                        Yes, think, if you have the creator of teen content, then you have some guy who took the creator's teen content, who looks worse? This is like two drug dealers fighting in court over territory, except in this case porn is legal. Just because porn is legal, doesn't mean people's emotions and cultural beliefs won't play a rule in the outcome of things. And the entire IRONY of all this would probably be when they put the bible to swear on it to work on a porn case.

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                                                                          • OldJeff
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                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                            • 2521
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Not to overstate the obvious, but If TR actually wins this case, it sets a precedent that would allow anyone with a paysite, to sue anyone with a free site on the same grounds.

                                                                            "Unfair business practice" ?

                                                                            It has been the industry standard to give "loss leader" content away to entice sales since it has started, that is why there have always been free sites and pay sites.

                                                                            If the suit were about copyright infringement, I would say support it with all you have.

                                                                            From a legal standpoint tubes are simply another form of free site, which like so many things over the years have grown to the point that they hurt the overall business. (more free porn always equals less sales)

                                                                            All of you free site webmasters should think long and hard about what it is this suit actually means should TR win.

                                                                            Personally I would love to see the amount of free porn available go back to 1998 levels where every free site had the same 20 or 30 pics from the $99 ZMaster cd. (insert a Bop from PK here) But we all know that is not going to happen.
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                                                                              • Snake Doctor
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                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                • 13449
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by OldJeff
                                                                                Not to overstate the obvious, but If TR actually wins this case, it sets a precedent that would allow anyone with a paysite, to sue anyone with a free site on the same grounds.

                                                                                "Unfair business practice" ?

                                                                                It has been the industry standard to give "loss leader" content away to entice sales since it has started, that is why there have always been free sites and pay sites.

                                                                                If the suit were about copyright infringement, I would say support it with all you have.

                                                                                From a legal standpoint tubes are simply another form of free site, which like so many things over the years have grown to the point that they hurt the overall business. (more free porn always equals less sales)

                                                                                All of you free site webmasters should think long and hard about what it is this suit actually means should TR win.

                                                                                Personally I would love to see the amount of free porn available go back to 1998 levels where every free site had the same 20 or 30 pics from the $99 ZMaster cd. (insert a Bop from PK here) But we all know that is not going to happen.
                                                                                I had thought of this earlier.

                                                                                I was thinking if they could win this, what's next, sue The Hun?

                                                                                Then I realized that most of the large free sites up until now were just aggregators of links, who didn't really publish or host much content themselves. So it would be next to impossible to use the same tactic against them.....you may as well try to sue google for helping people find free porn.

                                                                                So if they win, that's a mother fucking HUGE if, the precedent would likely only affect tube sites.

                                                                                That being said, I have a better chance of tapping J-Lo from behind while Jennifer Garner licks my balls than TR has of winning this case.
                                                                                Last edited by Snake Doctor; 04-10-2009, 03:55 AM.
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                                                                                  • OldJeff
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                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                    • 2521
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                    I had thought of this earlier.

                                                                                    That being said, I have a better chance of tapping J-Lo from behind while Jennifer Garner licks my balls than TR has of winning this case.
                                                                                    Now there is a mental image for a Friday
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                                                                                      • Spudstr
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                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                        • 2321
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                                        ok explain this to me
                                                                                        the DMCA gives them immunity from copyright infringement claims
                                                                                        ergo they can be guilty of violating copyright law
                                                                                        how exactly does DMCA get used to meet the definition you just listed.
                                                                                        There is a little bit about repeat offenders in the DMCA law, the DMCA does not give them immunity if they are repeat offenders, it doesn't define "what exactly a repeat offender" is but its pretty aparent that if its a repeat offender that its being done malisciously
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                                                                                          • BeaverJoe
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                                                                                            • Mar 2009
                                                                                            • 128
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Wow... 40M is a big number for a content lawsuit.

                                                                                            It's going to be interest for sure to keep track of where this will go.
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                                                                                              • BeaverJoe
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                                                • 128
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by MIS
                                                                                                There are sure a lot of excited people here over this.

                                                                                                Let's break this case down psychologically, and apply some common sense factors on how it will play out in the long run. The judge is first and foremost a human being, just like you and me. This judge most likely has a teen daughter or a teen grand daughter.. When he reads the case, and sees a name like TeenRevenue.com, what do you think his conscious and human instincts will say? Have any of you gone to TeenRevenue.com? they advertise short of lolita (little this, little that). The whole marketing scheme is screaming "these girls are not underage, but we want you to think and feel that they are underage so that you can fantasize about fucking little girls, so please signup". Sorry to put it that way, but anyone with half a brain in marketing can see the entire strategy here.

                                                                                                Do you think the judge, or anyone in court would want to see a single dollar go and feed a a website like TeenRevenue?? I would not be surprised at all, if initially they do a more extensive investigation into TeenRevenue itself than RedTube, and don't be surprised if RedTube would not be trying to find and exploit something about TeenRevenue in this case. I know I would if RedTube was mine.

                                                                                                with all that said, this case is going to go to court, and the judge is going to look at, as this teen promoting porn site wants to sue another porn site over loss of "sin" money. Do not think for a second that the judges are liberal and all that bullshit crap you think. Most judges are very religious and carry on a conservative point of view, even if they are democrats when it comes to voting in elections.

                                                                                                To them, we are the scum and low lives of this earth, and the faster they can shut us all out, the better it is for the goverment and all of society. Everytime we bring porn into goverment halls, we bring more attention and first hand knowledge to the people in the goverment about how we thrive and operate. We give them more ideas on how to shut us down, and definitely good reasons to do so.

                                                                                                In conclusion, and in my humble opinion, this case is going to be treated like two dirty dogs fighting each other, and no one is going to care about that shit, but the lawyers and the owners of such websites, everyone else in court is going to look at all of these lawyers and parties as scum bags who should not exist in the first place.

                                                                                                Agree or not, you know it's the honest truth.
                                                                                                Well you have may have a sort of point there, but...

                                                                                                Remember that even if RedTube presents that about TeenRevenue as argument is not valid because the case here is TeenRevenue suing RedTube for content stealing. If somebody wants to sue TeenRevenue because of what you say they should present a new different case and should not be put as in the same case, or at least should not be considered as a valid argument for the case.
                                                                                                Last edited by BeaverJoe; 04-10-2009, 04:42 AM.
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                                                                                                  • BeaverJoe
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                                                                                                    • Mar 2009
                                                                                                    • 128
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Also, i'm not sure if is good for RedTube to exploit that argument since the judge will see that somehow Redtube is part of that same "young" stategy.

                                                                                                    RedTube is being accused of steal TeenRevenue content. So basically it's asumible that they're stealing young content. The judge will not look that good either.
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                                                                                                      • BeaverJoe
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                                                                                                        • Mar 2009
                                                                                                        • 128
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                        I was thinking if they could win this, what's next, sue The Hun?
                                                                                                        Why that comparation?

                                                                                                        As far as i know The Hun doesn't stole content. They just list galleries with free content from programs who offers them for just that. Redtube upload full movies without permition of their owners.

                                                                                                        We're not discussing the quantity of free content they're offering and that's certainly not the case here. It's clearly about stealing others properties for personal gains.

                                                                                                        So, why are you making such comparation?
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                                                                                                          • OldJeff
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                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                            • 2521
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by BeaverJoe
                                                                                                            Why that comparation?

                                                                                                            As far as i know The Hun doesn't stole content. They just list galleries with free content from programs who offers them for just that. Redtube upload full movies without permition of their owners.

                                                                                                            We're not discussing the quantity of free content they're offering and that's certainly not the case here. It's clearly about stealing others properties for personal gains.

                                                                                                            So, why are you making such comparation?
                                                                                                            Because the suit is not about stealing content, it is about unfair business of giving content away for free, this is not a copyright case.
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                                                                                                              • BeaverJoe
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                                                                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                                                                • 128
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by OldJeff
                                                                                                                Because the suit is not about stealing content, it is about unfair business of giving content away for free, this is not a copyright case.
                                                                                                                I see.

                                                                                                                So i don't see any future on this case. It clearly doesn't make any sense at all.
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                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                    So in California if I had a hot dog stand and was selling hot dogs for a dollar and some guy decided to open a hot dog stand on the opposite corner from me and give them away for free or a nickel and destroyed my business I'd have legal cause to sue them for the financial damage they caused me?
                                                                                                                    If you were getting your hot dogs from other hot dog stands it might have an effect on the motion.

                                                                                                                    Whether or not the content on RT is from TR is irrelevant, they are hosting and displaying content from other producers, content they don't own. They might be asked to prove it user uploaded.

                                                                                                                    MIS ridiculous argument. If Redtube were a Youtube is would your post some validity. They are porn both merchants. The judge also might have a son surfing the Internet and shocked what he can see for free.



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                                                                                                                      • marketsmart
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                                                                                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                        • 20419
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        this suit has the potential to rack up the legal fees..

                                                                                                                        i guess people will find out very quickly if redtube is making money or not..

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                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                                                            That is exactly why they did it. Do you honestly think this will go to trial? No Judge wants to preside over ANY porn/adult case because one has to win. Second, the jury is not going to be pornographers or (admitted) surfers. RT Lawyers will pound away at the jury that TR specialize in "TEEN" pornographic movies. Then show a young girl in ponytails with a pink hello kitty shirt with a 12 inch black cock stuck in her mouth. Do you think TR will get any sympathy from the jury?
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MIS
                                                                                                                            Exactly

                                                                                                                            And as to what you have to say "d-null", the jury is going to be made up of your average folks who half of them probably never seen what a porn site looks like. To them porn is porn, but teen porn sounds worse than just porn. Adults suppose to fuck, teens not suppose to fuck (in their eyes). Adult verification or not, shooting teen porn sounds worse than giving teens access to adult porn. Teen porn sounds like underage porn, where giving teens access to porn sounds like sex education class.
                                                                                                                            Nice to know who you two support.

                                                                                                                            Both arguments are so flawed it's a joke. If Redtube turns up in court they will be asked if they uploaded the stolen content or it was user uploaded, they will then be asked to prove it.

                                                                                                                            They will also be asked about 2257 and what measures they take to ensure the content is legal. The fact that RT is full of content that don't own, might upload themselves or have uploaded, is also full of content illegal in the US is going to sway any judge or jury. You can bet TR lawyers have been videoing RT and it's content for months.

                                                                                                                            Jesus H Christ + MIS = 2 very naive guys who can't think past the point that piracy is not as easy as they would like it to be.



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                                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by OldJeff
                                                                                                                                Not to overstate the obvious, but If TR actually wins this case, it sets a precedent that would allow anyone with a paysite, to sue anyone with a free site on the same grounds.

                                                                                                                                "Unfair business practice" ?

                                                                                                                                It has been the industry standard to give "loss leader" content away to entice sales since it has started, that is why there have always been free sites and pay sites.

                                                                                                                                If the suit were about copyright infringement, I would say support it with all you have.

                                                                                                                                From a legal standpoint tubes are simply another form of free site, which like so many things over the years have grown to the point that they hurt the overall business. (more free porn always equals less sales)

                                                                                                                                All of you free site webmasters should think long and hard about what it is this suit actually means should TR win.

                                                                                                                                Personally I would love to see the amount of free porn available go back to 1998 levels where every free site had the same 20 or 30 pics from the $99 ZMaster cd. (insert a Bop from PK here) But we all know that is not going to happen.
                                                                                                                                Did you think this one through or just typed? The point that they are using content they don't own or have the right to use to take business away from the company that owns that content will have an influence.

                                                                                                                                Think it through on all levels.

                                                                                                                                And yes you are dead right and I wish it did remove 90% of the free content out there, there is too much and it detracts from sales, it no longer increases them. Hence falling sales and worsening ratios.



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                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                                                                                    this suit has the potential to rack up the legal fees..

                                                                                                                                    i guess people will find out very quickly if redtube is making money or not..
                                                                                                                                    It will also focus a few advertisers to analise their stats from Redtube. Employ a lawyer on $500 an hour for years or cancel the adverts on Redtube. Tough choice. LOL

                                                                                                                                    How many joins do they have to send an hour to pay for the legal team?



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                                                                                                                                      • Quagmire
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                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                        • 6490
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                        So we all need to step up to the plate and support them. not by posting on GFY. support them by sending traffic.

                                                                                                                                        http://www.teenrevenue.com/]Teen Revenue, yaking out fight to the courts.



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                                                                                                                                        ??? Why support Teen Revenue? According to the article he sold the business. Either that or it is very poorly worded.

                                                                                                                                        Cammarata?s attorney, Jay Spillane, told XBIZ that because of these loss leaders streamed over RedTube, Cammarata has faced a substantial loss of customers and revenue, leading him to sell his business at an unfavorable price.

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                                                                                                                                          • HerPimp
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                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                            • 1197
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Thats right music, software, movies etc. are available for free and do you want to be in the part of the globe where people are getting hung for it? Fuck the restrictions.

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                                                                                                                                              • NKYKev
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                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                • 283
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                The California Unfair Competition Law is very broad - if anything, even the fact that a tube site is distributing watermarked videos without authorization should be enough, as the owners of the video have, at the minimum, common law trademark protection, at least for US based producers - and if the trademark is state or federally registered, all the better.

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                                                                                                                                                  • gideongallery
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Spudstr
                                                                                                                                                    There is a little bit about repeat offenders in the DMCA law, the DMCA does not give them immunity if they are repeat offenders, it doesn't define "what exactly a repeat offender" is but its pretty aparent that if its a repeat offender that its being done malisciously
                                                                                                                                                    i don't remember seeing a "repeat offender" clause in the act
                                                                                                                                                    do you want to show it to me

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                                                                                                                                                      • Splum
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                                                                                                                                                          • Spudstr
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 2321
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                                                                                                            i don't remember seeing a "repeat offender" clause in the act
                                                                                                                                                            do you want to show it to me

                                                                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_...Limitation_Act
                                                                                                                                                            Knowledge of Infringing Material
                                                                                                                                                            To qualify for the § 512(c) safe harbor, the OSP must not have actual knowledge that it is hosting infringing material or be aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent. It is clear from the statute and legislative history that an OSP has no duty to monitor its service or affirmatively seek infringing material on its system. [13] However, the statute describes two ways in which an OSP can be put on notice of infringing material on its system: 1) notice from the copyright owner, and 2) the existence of ?red flags.?
                                                                                                                                                            #2 says to me, repeat offence.

                                                                                                                                                            then later.

                                                                                                                                                            First, the OSP must ?adopt and reasonably implement a policy?[2] of addressing and terminating accounts of users who are found to be ?repeat infringers.?[3] Second, the OSP must accommodate and not interfere with ?standard technical measures.?[4] OSPs may qualify for one or more of the Section 512 safe harbors under § 512(a)-(d), for immunity from copyright liability stemming from: transmitting [5], caching [6], storing [7], or linking [8] to infringing material. An OSP who complies with the requirements for a given safe harbor is not liable for money damages, but may still be ordered by a court to perform specific actions such as disabling access to infringing material.
                                                                                                                                                            This is more for the host/side of things in protecting ourselfs, however redtube is at fault if they are not removing repeat infringers from uploading content as well.. So they would nto be able to claim safe harbor either.
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                                                                                                                                                              • PornMD
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                I'm curious...is this the first time a tube site has been sued? In the 2+ years of adult tube site existence? Then of course everyone turns into cheerleaders until this is over - if I were RedTube, I would drag out litigation as long as possible and reap the benefits because they probably won't be sued again until it's over...TR apparently is the only one with balls plus it is of course a nice marketing boost too as everyone's talking about them now.

                                                                                                                                                                I just wanted to comment on how funny it is to see everyone on this board say for well over a year "someone should do something" before someone finally does, and now until this is over, everyone will be like "finally someone is doing something, go them!" and sit idly watching the situation, however long it may drag out. Don't get me wrong, our industry (domain industry) is no different - a bunch of talkers with very few people who actually take action when it's needed, but we've never been faced with something as detrimental as tubes. I mean with tubes around, from my perspective as a surfer vs. someone in adult, there's absolutely no reason to pay for porn...none whatsoever, and that's not even taking into account cross sales etc.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Iron Fist
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                                    • 23400
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                    So in California if I had a hot dog stand and was selling hot dogs for a dollar and some guy decided to open a hot dog stand on the opposite corner from me and give them away for free or a nickel and destroyed my business I'd have legal cause to sue them for the financial damage they caused me?
                                                                                                                                                                    Nope. Now if the guy who was selling the hotdogs, was the one producing or manufacturing the hotdogs under a certain brand name or trademark, and the other guy came along and decided to steal some of those hotdogs and then set up shop beside them and give them away without having permission from the original owner of the hotdogs, well now it's a different story. The guy selling the hotdogs might have a special ingredient in them that makes people want to buy just that type of hotdog, which is what makes them so attractive to steal.

                                                                                                                                                                    This is a more accurate analogy of what the suit is about IMHO.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Splum
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                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 6195
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PornMD
                                                                                                                                                                        I mean with tubes around, from my perspective as a surfer vs. someone in adult, there's absolutely no reason to pay for porn...none whatsoever, and that's not even taking into account cross sales etc.
                                                                                                                                                                        You have to be selling the right product, generic porn isnt the right product to sell tube consumers. The music and the mainstream movie industry as a whole is doing just fine even with so much free music on radio, tv, and the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                        Tube sites consumption is an opportunity to make lots of money, problem is none of these people here have a business degree. All they know how to do is pay some crack whore to suck their dick on camera, then think they can charge 39.99 a month for people to see other crack whores do the same thing, while they smoke or shoot up the profit.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Iron Fist
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                                            • 23400
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PornMD
                                                                                                                                                                            I just wanted to comment on how funny it is to see everyone on this board say for well over a year "someone should do something" before someone finally does, and now until this is over, everyone will be like "finally someone is doing something, go them!" and sit idly watching the situation, however long it may drag out. Don't get me wrong, our industry (domain industry) is no different - a bunch of talkers with very few people who actually take action when it's needed, but we've never been faced with something as detrimental as tubes. I mean with tubes around, from my perspective as a surfer vs. someone in adult, there's absolutely no reason to pay for porn...none whatsoever, and that's not even taking into account cross sales etc.
                                                                                                                                                                            Not to rain on your parade, but i've sent them thousands of dollars in sales over the years, so i'd like to think i've done a little more than just be a cheerleader regarding this issue. In fact, as a result i'm probably going to buy a few more domains and push their content even harder in the next few months while this plays out because i'd like to support them even more...

                                                                                                                                                                            It's not always just about donating cash... time is money as well.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Marshal
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                • 15226
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                                This is like Match.com suing PlentyOfFish.com for being free and thus hurting their sales.
                                                                                                                                                                                you forget the unlicensed content... "dating services" are not in match.com ownership, so giving it away for free is not a legal offence...
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Tat2Jr
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Well this is a nice start to Easter! Thumbs up TR!
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PornMD
                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm curious...is this the first time a tube site has been sued? In the 2+ years of adult tube site existence? Then of course everyone turns into cheerleaders until this is over - if I were RedTube, I would drag out litigation as long as possible and reap the benefits because they probably won't be sued again until it's over...TR apparently is the only one with balls plus it is of course a nice marketing boost too as everyone's talking about them now.
                                                                                                                                                                                        To drag it out they need a lawyer and they will have to turn up in court. So far no one knows who Redtube are. Dragging it out is possible, but still expensive.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I just wanted to comment on how funny it is to see everyone on this board say for well over a year "someone should do something" before someone finally does, and now until this is over, everyone will be like "finally someone is doing something, go them!" and sit idly watching the situation, however long it may drag out. Don't get me wrong, our industry (domain industry) is no different - a bunch of talkers with very few people who actually take action when it's needed, but we've never been faced with something as detrimental as tubes. I mean with tubes around, from my perspective as a surfer vs. someone in adult, there's absolutely no reason to pay for porn...none whatsoever, and that's not even taking into account cross sales etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                        This board is full of board warriors/couch potatoes. Learned that years ago. Most will support a company who has decided to cut their balls off, if he pays them $5 more per join.



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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                                                                                                            You have to be selling the right product, generic porn isnt the right product to sell tube consumers. The music and the mainstream movie industry as a whole is doing just fine even with so much free music on radio, tv, and the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Tube sites consumption is an opportunity to make lots of money, problem is none of these people here have a business degree. All they know how to do is pay some crack whore to suck their dick on camera, then think they can charge 39.99 a month for people to see other crack whores do the same thing, while they smoke or shoot up the profit.
                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree fully. The problem with your idea is for 8 years the belief was the surfer would buy anything and all that was needed was more traffic. Even as ratios got worse the solution was more traffic. Today as traffic falls, ratios get worse people still believe the solution is to send more traffic.

                                                                                                                                                                                            As if the idea of converting more of what you have is some crazy idea.



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                                                                                                                                                                                              • MIS
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                Nice to know who you two support.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Both arguments are so flawed it's a joke. If Redtube turns up in court they will be asked if they uploaded the stolen content or it was user uploaded, they will then be asked to prove it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                They will also be asked about 2257 and what measures they take to ensure the content is legal. The fact that RT is full of content that don't own, might upload themselves or have uploaded, is also full of content illegal in the US is going to sway any judge or jury. You can bet TR lawyers have been videoing RT and it's content for months.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Jesus H Christ + MIS = 2 very naive guys who can't think past the point that piracy is not as easy as they would like it to be.
                                                                                                                                                                                                When you are dealing with a court system and jury, you are dealing with emotions and cultural beliefs. I am saying that when the case ends up in front of whoever is in the court, they are going to profile TeenRevenue in their minds immediately as an undercover underage teen producer, and this is a huge disadvantage to TeenRevenue. Court cases and good lawyers play on emotional factors to pursue the jury and get people away with murder. This is not rocket science....

                                                                                                                                                                                                You have to think, a lot of people are already against porn in our evangelist society which most likely make up the jury/judge. What do you think their thoughts would be on teen porn? I don't think there has ever been a court case where a teen content producer was not being sued or shut down. People do not like the words "teen" + "porn" put together. The jury/judge will immediately look down upon TeenRevenue as a company that exploits young girl, and now is standing in court trying to find justice. Wether this is the actual legal arguement or not, emotions don't have to follow paper.. Decisions are based on emotions. And mark my words, RedTube WILL win this case, and not only that, but when redtube wins, no one else can sue taking the same path as TeenRevenue and then kiss that one chance good bye. If this was PlayBoy suing RedTube, they would have a much stronger presence and impression on the court.

                                                                                                                                                                                                You just do not go to court with a name like TeenRevenue. ROFL
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • BFT3K
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                    you are dead right and I wish it did remove 90% of the free content out there, there is too much and it detracts from sales, it no longer increases them. Hence falling sales and worsening ratios.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Exactly!

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