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10-17-2002, 03:00 PM

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I remember those 7 month chargebacks. ;) I also know that VISA was conditioned by us to think we were scumbags with our billing methods, so they just learned to assume we were always in the wrong, because quite frankly, we were in the beginning.

Well, actually, as someone who's in a non-adult business offering credit card sales as well, the merchant is always wrong when it comes to a dispute. It's fairly rare to win a dispute and it's hardly fruitful even if you win, since the credit card companies don't like disputes to start with. I even had a case where a customer disputed a bill on a delivered product on the basis that they didn't like the product. I got charged back even though the product was never even physically returned!

You need to remember, as far as the credit card companies are concerned, the purchaser is the customer, you are a supplier. Yeah, they charge you some fees, but they make the bulk of their money off the interest on unpaid credit from the end customer, so the last thing they want him to do is stop using his card.

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10-17-2002, 03:20 PM

Hey use globosale and save WIRE TRANSFER money.. they have an excellent counting and password security system.. it is real wire transfers are free to all site WEBMASTERS and PAY SITE OWNERS
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10-17-2002, 03:38 PM

Ok don't believe it if you want, well see in April 2003

And BTW, i didn't posted this in any other board, probably someone did, but i didn't

Look fleabags, i've been very proactive in this board, trying to offer solutions, even making tests my own, but i found the few people are willing or proactive to seek solutions and share them here, the rest are a bunch of assholes, we are talking about our survival here, and probably about of a bright new era if we play our cards well

But no, the vast majority is not of those who made the internet what now is, the vast majority maybe are newbies than don't want to realize that the dream is over and the war just begun.

Keep thinking like that, and you'll find yourself selling crappy burgers at McDonalds in the very near future.

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10-17-2002, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by El Demonio
Ok don't believe it if you want, well see in April 2003

And BTW, i didn't posted this in any other board, probably someone did, but i didn't

Look fleabags, i've been very proactive in this board, trying to offer solutions, even making tests my own, but i found the few people are willing or proactive to seek solutions and share them here, the rest are a bunch of assholes, we are talking about our survival here, and probably about of a bright new era if we play our cards well

But no, the vast majority is not of those who made the internet what now is, the vast majority maybe are newbies than don't want to realize that the dream is over and the war just begun.

Keep thinking like that, and you'll find yourself selling crappy burgers at McDonalds in the very near future.

Assholes.

You trying to get a job at Epoch or something?

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10-17-2002, 03:50 PM

You guys should cut El Demonio some slacks. Ive seen his previous posts regarding the VISA issue and he has been more than helpfull to anyone and everyone
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10-17-2002, 04:06 PM

thanks MetaformX,

And for you FatAss: i was the one (steffie came later) who was brave enough to make the OLchecks test for a whole week, and post the results daily, NO ONE of you fleabags made any other thing but talk mambo jambo, i was hands-on, you were mouth-on.

Stop talking and start acting, looking for solutions, make experiments, sacrifice your time, and share results whith others FOR FREE, i haven't promoting any fucking thing, but INFORMATION, helpful INFORMATION for everybody!

You bastard FatAss

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10-17-2002, 04:29 PM

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That can not go into effect.

BECAUSE:

None of the isp's will be able to charge me on a recurring basis, you mean AOL, MSN, etc.. will not be able to charge me $20 every month and if I want to continue service I have to imput my card every end of the month?

That also means that my electric bill, water, phone or any other utility CAN NOT be paid automatically because they are ot allowed to keep my CC info?? I mean, CC companies promote that like crazy.

When you look at the ammount of transactions, that would REALLY mean a big blow in fees, I mean is not like all the ppl who do that in aggregate is chump change.

Then again, if Visa is not there where is it?? Everywher you want to be... right

Don't freak yall!!

Yeah, but if it's for HIGH RISK ADULT marchants only? AOL and the electric bill would not get into this.

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#108

10-17-2002, 04:49 PM

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BULLSHIT, if its the case, I am going to court & sue the fuckers!!!

dude, on what grounds? protecting their best interests?

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
You need to remember, as far as the credit card companies are concerned, the purchaser is the customer, you are a supplier. Yeah, they charge you some fees, but they make the bulk of their money off the interest on unpaid credit from the end customer, so the last thing they want him to do is stop using his card.

That's completely wrong. The bulk of Visa/MC profits come from merchant fees. Joe Blow buys something for $1000. If he pays it off before his due date, there's no interest paid. But there's still the 2-4% merchant fee ($20-$40).

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10-17-2002, 04:55 PM

El

You know I have been with Globosale for a while, Roli didnt send me anything. I am going to call them in the morning their time.. We find out for sure..

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10-17-2002, 05:11 PM

Ask him steffie and let me know.

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10-17-2002, 05:22 PM

I don't think you guys should flame El Dominio for sharing a mail he received from his cc processor. You guys have a VERY SHORT memory. As I recall, a few months ago some people came here and told us about the presence required in USA and everyone thought it wasn't true and the big processors were the first to say that they had not heard anything regarding that. It might be true, it might not. But why would Globosale make up a false story? It's not like it will get them more business, it's quite the opposite actually. Think about it. Why didn't the 3 big processors tell you about the rules before? because they knew it would scare a lot of webmasters and make them lose some business. Sow why would globosale make up story that could possibily make them lose some business? Think about it....
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10-17-2002, 05:36 PM

Avtually it is not just globosale that is saying this.

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10-17-2002, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by El Demonio
And for you FatAss: i was the one (steffie came later) who was brave enough to make the OLchecks test for a whole week, and post the results daily, NO ONE of you fleabags made any other thing but talk mambo jambo, i was hands-on, you were mouth-on.

While its certainly nice of you to share your results from your test, I don't know that I would call it any kind of bravery. It is YOUR business, you steffie, whoever else has a business, needs to make choices for YOUR business. Other people will make choices for their own businesses, and these may be 180 degrees from your choice.

Some people will pay the fees and go on with life, some won't, some will bitch, some don't.

At this moment my suggestion for the smart folks on this board -- and yes, there are some -- is to evaluate where your income is being produced, and then decide what avenue to head down in order to protect as much of it as you can.

It may be that for the next few months, a year possibly, the industry is in a holding on mode -- and there is nothing wrong with it.

Every day people bitch about bad conversions, bad processors, bad traffic, bad surfers. The ridiculous glut in the market -- too many free sites, too many paysites, too many sponsors and resellers, maybe too many processors even, well, there is bound to be a correction at some point.

Those that have planned carefully should come out as strong as ever, those that have not would be well advised to start making some long term plans, so that when things like this come up, there is not a panic and a stampede.

I've talked to lots of non US webmasters with thousands of monthly rebills, and instead of screaming bloody murder, they are quietly doing what they need to in order to maintain them.
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10-17-2002, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by El Demonio
thanks MetaformX,

And for you FatAss: i was the one (steffie came later) who was brave enough to make the OLchecks test for a whole week, and post the results daily, NO ONE of you fleabags made any other thing but talk mambo jambo, i was hands-on, you were mouth-on.

Stop talking and start acting, looking for solutions, make experiments, sacrifice your time, and share results whith others FOR FREE, i haven't promoting any fucking thing, but INFORMATION, helpful INFORMATION for everybody!

You bastard FatAss

Cool. If I ask nicely will you be my hero?

Hate to tell you this, Captain America, but people do stuff all the time without telling you about it on GFY. Maybe if you were a little less brave, and a little more intelligent, you might realize that.

Chop up your VISA cards yet, hero of mine?

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10-17-2002, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Well, actually, as someone who's in a non-adult business offering credit card sales as well, the merchant is always wrong when it comes to a dispute. It's fairly rare to win a dispute and it's hardly fruitful even if you win, since the credit card companies don't like disputes to start with. I even had a case where a customer disputed a bill on a delivered product on the basis that they didn't like the product. I got charged back even though the product was never even physically returned!

Ive actually experienced quite the opposite in mainstream, winning 99% of all disputes and I do recurring billing on products. We keep a "pissed off customer file" where once we get an email from an upset customer, we print the email along with our reply, we print signature proofs of delivery, all transaction logs, our terms of service, screenshits of our signup page, etc. needless to say the customer almost never wins EVEN if the return products to us.
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10-17-2002, 07:33 PM

Yeah Mrm Shittykim, your lower your pants and surrender your ass.

Sorry, I'm not THAT sheep as you are used to be in your "Amerika", i was born rebel and rebel will die, yet i'm quite successful for thinking differently and go against the stream.

I myself have more than 10K rebills now, worked hard 6 years for them, honest, my producs are well designed and always give more than i promise in my entry pages and don't ask 40 bucks for my good stuff. so i'm pissed off at injustice and tries of domination, there's no one above my head but God, and Mr. VISA/MC/AssKroft with their classic gringo cheating shit will not be the exception this time.

But i understand that mother nature wasn't so generous with you when it was about delivering IQ to you, so i won't expect you to understand this, yet i do expect you to throw more gringo mambo jambo on this particular issue.

And for you FatAss, maybe you are rigth and people do more than i see, but what is right also, is that they do not any effort for share it with everybody.

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10-17-2002, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by El Demonio
so i won't expect you to understand this, yet i do expect you to throw more gringo mambo jambo on this particular issue.

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10-17-2002, 08:03 PM

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10-17-2002, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by El Demonio
I myself have more than 10K rebills now, worked hard 6 years for them, honest, my producs are well designed and always give more than i promise in my entry pages and don't ask 40 bucks for my good stuff. so i'm pissed off at injustice and tries of domination, there's no one above my head but God, and Mr. VISA/MC/AssKroft with their classic gringo cheating shit will not be the exception this time.

OK do I have this right? You have spent 6 years to get to 10k a month in rebills and God is going to stop Visa for you?

I want to make sure there are no misunderstandings due to the language barrier, even though you seem to be able to translate names into cursewords quite easily.
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10-17-2002, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim

While its certainly nice of you to share your results from your test, I don't know that I would call it any kind of bravery. It is YOUR business, you steffie, whoever else has a business, needs to make choices for YOUR business. Other people will make choices for their own businesses, and these may be 180 degrees from your choice.

Some people will pay the fees and go on with life, some won't, some will bitch, some don't.

At this moment my suggestion for the smart folks on this board -- and yes, there are some -- is to evaluate where your income is being produced, and then decide what avenue to head down in order to protect as much of it as you can.

It may be that for the next few months, a year possibly, the industry is in a holding on mode -- and there is nothing wrong with it.

Every day people bitch about bad conversions, bad processors, bad traffic, bad surfers. The ridiculous glut in the market -- too many free sites, too many paysites, too many sponsors and resellers, maybe too many processors even, well, there is bound to be a correction at some point.

Those that have planned carefully should come out as strong as ever, those that have not would be well advised to start making some long term plans, so that when things like this come up, there is not a panic and a stampede.

I've talked to lots of non US webmasters with thousands of monthly rebills, and instead of screaming bloody murder, they are quietly doing what they need to in order to maintain them.

on another board u said u had it on good authority that they were canning rebills ... ? i see no info from u on here about this.

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10-17-2002, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by netbilling
Wenchy,

The Visa registration fees are for MCC 5967 high risk merchants only.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

I stand corrected. What can I say? It all starts to run together after awhile. Thanks Mitch

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10-17-2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by PureMeds

Ive actually experienced quite the opposite in mainstream, winning 99% of all disputes and I do recurring billing on products. We keep a "pissed off customer file" where once we get an email from an upset customer, we print the email along with our reply, we print signature proofs of delivery, all transaction logs, our terms of service, screenshits of our signup page, etc. needless to say the customer almost never wins EVEN if the return products to us.

I think you have much better luck if your sale is face to face or if you have a signature. The sale in question was a mail order sale conducted over the Internet. Even so, the customer never disputed that he didn't order the product. I guess it may also have something to do with which credit card bureau you are dealing with.

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10-17-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by dickblast

on another board u said u had it on good authority that they were canning rebills ... ? i see no info from u on here about this.

Could you give us the link please?
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10-17-2002, 10:30 PM

muh bad no posting other board urls

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I've got it on good authority that the rebill thing, as well as the Mastercard fee are valid at the moment. I'd call it very good authority too. Why Paypal is doing that, I dunno. Perhaps they want to rid themselves of adult transactions since eBay now owns them and they figure the easiest way to do it is like this...

KK

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1 dude already asked 4 her to clarify and i asked on here but nuthin - u can see how it implies in the last part that they are NOT getting rid so wtf

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10-17-2002, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by dickblast
muh bad no posting other board urls

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I've got it on good authority that the rebill thing, as well as the Mastercard fee are valid at the moment. I'd call it very good authority too. Why Paypal is doing that, I dunno. Perhaps they want to rid themselves of adult transactions since eBay now owns them and they figure the easiest way to do it is like this...

KK

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1 dude already asked 4 her to clarify and i asked on here but nuthin - u can see how it implies in the last part that they are NOT getting rid so wtf

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Oh shit that's some shocking news...btw IMHO I don't see why you would not have the right to post another thread related to this one. Especially something that important that would affect everyone in this business including the owner of this board. I think the rule is meant for people who intend to spam their board. Unless you own the other board, I don't see any problem...
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10-17-2002, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by dickblast
muh bad no posting other board urls

I've got it on good authority that the rebill thing, as well as the Mastercard fee are valid at the moment. I'd call it very good authority too. Why Paypal is doing that, I dunno. Perhaps they want to rid themselves of adult transactions since eBay now owns them and they figure the easiest way to do it is like this...

KK

"Rebill Thing"??
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10-17-2002, 10:42 PM

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"Rebill Thing"??

The fact that rebillings would disapear I guess
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10-17-2002, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Indeed

Oh shit that's some shocking news...btw IMHO I don't see why you would not have the right to post another thread related to this one. Especially something that important that would affect everyone in this business including the owner of this board. I think the rule is meant for people who intend to spam their board. Unless you own the other board, I don't see any problem...

ya but netpond isnt threaded

(that's the board its on scroll down a little bit)

by 'rebill thing' she means the same shit that was posted in this thread, but some ppl think only MC is blocking rebills, whuteva

so much bs flying around i think KK's mistype just sent a few ppl into cardiac arrest lol

but on netpond u can see ppl think she said AREN'T 2 by the way they reply ... totally weird

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10-17-2002, 10:44 PM

bring on SMS billing and any other alternative billing solutions..
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10-17-2002, 11:24 PM

I don't know why I'm reading this.
I'm getting depressed...

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10-18-2002, 01:34 AM

If they get rid of the recurring billing model then we will begin to charge by the minute for access.
Ill bet we make more money too.

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10-18-2002, 01:52 AM

Hehehe....

The point here is that VISA/MS wants to destroy the 3 STOOGES (IBILL, CCBILL and PAYPAL)...

Of course as always this has no effect in your processor...
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10-18-2002, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by markusborger
Hehehe....

The point here is that VISA/MS wants to destroy the 3 STOOGES (IBILL, CCBILL and PAYPAL)...

Of course as always this has no effect in your processor...

the point of your sig is to destroy my brain.

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10-18-2002, 04:21 AM

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10-18-2002, 07:05 AM

Well El Demonio was not lying.... response from globolsale...

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Dear xxxx,

Please send me the URL from the message board!
What I said is true but was not meant to be posted somewhere.
Thank you!

Regards,
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I of course am not going to give him the url so el demonio gets in trouble for giving us info. Had I known the conversation was privleged I would not have even asked. So I give props to el demonio for stepping up to the plate especially seeing it looks like ole Roli isn't too happy about it....
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10-18-2002, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Splicer
I don't know why I'm reading this.
I'm getting depressed...

Think you are the only one.

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10-18-2002, 10:09 AM

In fact i got booted from Globosale for posting that!, look this:

Our email discussion was not meant to be posted on a webmaster board!
That's definitively not the way we're working and you violated our terms and conditions.
Therefore your account is suspended effective immediately!

In the meaning of the board you posted our discussion: go fuck yourself!

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This scumbag is the worst shit i've ever encounter, i answered this:

What kind of asshole is capable of doing this?

You never told me it was confidential information, as for the lowest courtesy rule, if you want something to be kept reserved, you ask for it.

How good and profesional is this company of yours eh, nowhere in the agreement says anything about this, now you are a temperamental asshole, cocksucker, and you suspend my puny account?, shove it to your ass!

I'll let the whole webmasters communitty know how you have behaved, will post this over an over with a thread named STAY AWAY FROM GLOBOSALE and will post this conversation and you'll see how fun can it be, and will email the few customers you have with this information and will give them the billing company options i have for them to see.

Now, as for my money, are you going to pay me or do i have so sue you?, i've sent your fucking agreement via fedex and should arrive shortly

One of my worst decisions was to make bussines with the only company in the whole internet that makes rebills optional, now i see that mother nature was not very generous with you when it was about your IQ quota assignment

Bastard.

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10-18-2002, 10:15 AM

wtf is this a soap opera or what?
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10-18-2002, 10:19 PM

anyone else has anything to add to this?
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10-18-2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by dickblast
originally posted by KK on another board:

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I've got it on good authority that the rebill thing, as well as the Mastercard fee are valid at the moment. I'd call it very good authority too. Why Paypal is doing that, I dunno. Perhaps they want to rid themselves of adult transactions since eBay now owns them and they figure the easiest way to do it is like this...

KK

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10-18-2002, 10:52 PM

I found a company who won't charge those fees:

Check out the link below:
http://www.tokensystems.com/nofees.htm
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10-19-2002, 01:37 AM

tokens? eh?

they been around since 1997 ( so the site says ) but their links don't work.

However the token idea sounds interesting..

Fuck, everything sounds interesting right now

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