After The Singapore Nuclear Summit, U.S. And North Korea Appear As Far Apart As Ever

Trump has no idea what he is doing. Sitting down and having the meeting was the easy part.

We've been here a dozen times before. I mean, we've signed a dozen agreements with North Korea before. Not one of them worked.

nuke up or get USIS-ed...there can be no peace when a certain country has privatized war and made it for profit...what happens when there is no more war? the war machine just stops?

nukes = peace or nuclear winter

no nukes = you get fucked

option #1 pls

but but but trump canceled the summit in a stunning and brilliant checkmate move to get Un to agree to denuke at the summit.

Far, far to early to speculate about what will happen or when it will happen. Within 6 months or so we should begin to have some idea.

He didn't agree to anything at the Summit. They agreed to "enter discussions".

Not to mention that we've signed a dozen such agreements with North Korea in the past.

It's not speculation, Steve. The fact is both sides released versions of the summit and there's a wide gap between the 2 over the fundamental point of the summit- denuclearization.

pompeo even went so far as to discount what was written down in the agreement.

"When directly asked about the obvious difference between the U.S. and North Korean readouts on phasing — "Was the North['s] account of the meeting accurate when they said that President Trump had agreed to a phased approach?" — Pompeo responded with a statement that should be a huge red flag: "I'm going to leave the content of our discussions as between the two parties, but one should heavily discount some things that are written in other places."

The problem is that one cannot "heavily discount" how one of the two parties interprets an agreement. "

https://www.state.gov/secretary/rema.../06/283183.htm

that's what I'm saying. trump's 9 dimensional chess negotiating brilliance = zilch.

There are usually large "rhetorical gaps" when dealing with any foreign country let alone with NK. The words that are publicly said by either side are not of a whole lot of importance. Actions count, words, not so much. This is of course is a reflection of my experience and is my thinking on the matter.

words aren't important in negotiating? words matter, Steve, negotiations and agreements are built on words that lead to the actions that stem from the words in the contract agreed to from the negotiations that are in words.

the fact remains, there is no deal. in words or actions.

It was nothing more than a photo op to impress his cultists and a chance to rub elbows with another dictator. Anyone who thinks it was anything more is delusional.

I said "publicly" words spoken. Usually public words spoken by government officials and words actually used behind the scene have little in common. For the most part, the public, the media, do not know what is actually being said or done by the government in real time. There are somethings that are not actually known for years and a few things that may never be known. We have two forms of government. One that is known to the public and one that is not. This I know from personal experience.

The media are mostly spin machines and have little to do with truth. Watch C-span for a few months to a year, listen and see what is actually said by people in government and then compare that with what is reported by all media outlets as to what was being said or done. You will realize then that sometimes the media reporting bears little resemblance to what was actually said or done.

The media basically does not have anymore knowledge about any event than you do, especially since investigating reporting is all but dead.

You do not in "fact" know if there is no deal by "words or action" at this point in time. As you only have at your disposal media accounts or public words from politicians some of which may in fact know anymore about the subject than you do.

I will repeat in a few months time we "may" know by actions taken by both sides a little more. We will not know by the public words spoken by each side and certainly not by words from the press.

we have accounts of the summit produced from both sides and those accounts do not meet at all. those are official, no media spin.

The fellow who wrote the article I cited is a NK policy wonk, not a journalist. It all certainly corresponds with reality as well. if trump achieved CVID or anything close to that he would point to it. Instead we get rhetoric. the only reason for trump or the US government to not share any specifics is because there are not any specifics, because there is no deal. Un won't denuke, and now, after trump, he doesn't need to. trump stated we can all sleep better, he solved the nuke problem. no.

re: your edit-

I know for a fact we don't have a deal. I don't need to wait for a smoking gun to know there is no deal.