Redtube is being sued by teenrevenue

You?re exactly right. But in the given scenario we?re not talking about someone who?s specifically searching for your content exactly. The surfer doing that is a good potential customer (if they can?t find your entire site ripped on that torrent site). I?m talking about the guy who?s just browsing for porn in general, and has no preference for your content vs the other guys. The chances of him buying anything were never great to begin with.

SOME of them were that way. But I didn't make everything I did over the last dozen years because so many people were never gonna buy a membership.

And you're right about the guys with general porn. I would not want to be in the shoes of all those site owners whose paysites consist of generalized hardcore using those same dozen or so models out of L.A. All of this content theft has destroyed their future.

But for claudia-marie.com it really is guys specifically searching for her. And not all of the ones specifically searching for her are potential "good" customers. A quick look at surfer forums when I search the web for her tells me that quickly. The forums are full of page after page of surfers listing and uploading stolen scenes from their favorite model.

The key is to protect your stuff, police your stuff, and then stay in control of what the tubes and torrents have to offer.

At least that will work for Claudia-Marie.Com

I have absolutely no answer for all those big "mega sites" that one week feature Puma Swede in pigtails as a "teen" and the next week have her in eyeglasses with her hair in a bun and call her a "milf"

Unless something changes, that entire site model is doomed.

I guess you never look at my sites then.. Ya they all fit the same bill. I shoot teen and thats pretty much it these days. Now they can just do a search on all the new sites and look at whjat ever members stuff they want.

We shoot edit design and market our own stuff.... I know my customer..

Is it just me or did Redtubes clip length average go from about 20 minutes to 3 minutes and now mostly sponsored?

Simalar on pornhub.

Anyone else notice this?

nice way to put it

Yeah, they're pushing the sales pitch now, while they obviously only created a huge amount of traffic that only burns an assload of bandwith.

Another reason why tube8 gains on popularity.

It will probably be a bunch of who is "the big tube" going back and forth till things shake out.

Yeah, Redtube has been pretty much legit for nearly a year now. Not sure why so many GFY'ers hold it up as the model illegal site, sort of exposes them as being out of touch.

[QUOTE=Paolo;15714659]Yes, I love those who shout "NEVER" and "ALWAYS", world would be so simple!
Black or white, fuck or walk, NO it doesn't work like this, some people don't get it, some do.

Here's my thread about the traffic pool - maybe you'll agree with it, maybe not.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=895582

[QUOTE=CarlosTheGaucho;15720224]Agreed tootsie.

There's one basic thing some seem to forget.

That's YOUR JOB to make them pay!

Not whine about someone stealing from you, that they'll never pay, that they have a permanent free hard on!

It's YOUR JOB to make them pay!

to make sure you offer them something they MISS, to make sure you make it interesting enough for them to WANT IT, to make sure they miss it so much they pull out the credit card and PAY!

As in one of my all time favorite movies:

Attention

Interest

Decision

Action

Someone's stealing from you? FUCK HIM, let him burn, why would you let anyone steal from you?

Do you let a thief steal from you in real life? Is this some new age "adaptation"?

Are we already so dumb that getting fucked in the ass is considered normal?

And then they shout that they will NEVER pay and that this will NEVER change.

Only a bunch of losers talk like this, someone with this mindset will not ever achieve anything real!

Btw. this whole situation, regular porn getting to shitter - that's a huge competitive advantage for me.

While at the moment when most are whining I know our stuff converts with GENERAL audience at 1:101 for the whole 2009 and BELOW 1:500 for over a year from a LEGAL TUBE SITE with full length licensed video in it.

This I agree with. It sure does seem like people are doing a lot more whining than anything else.

A year? Not true.

XBIZ has update to RedTube suit. Here's all the details: http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

"The suit, which makes claims for below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition, among others, seeks $10 million in actual damages and $30 million in treble damages."


Good luck guys... its a semi-long-shot but a win will swing things positive. It'll be a lawyers wet dream with claims against tubes all day long.

I'm all for suing someone for stolen content and such.. But seriously? unfair competition? what a long shot.

Who's that ape in your avatar?

Not a long shot at all, it's actually a smart move and has teeth.

Maybe not a year, but at least 6 months. They stopped accepting random uploads sometime around the summer '08, or at least that's when I noticed it as I was uploading watermarked videos till then (I owned the rights). They required a sponsor style sign up at that point forward.

I don't exactly see how the host or redtubes advertisors would be dragged into this lawsuit. Considaring redtube sells its own memberships the unfair competition is between redtube and the other media produces. Not really seeing where choopa is being dragged into this unless they have interest in redtube.

Wow looks like quite a few companies are named in this thing.

Is this lawsuit not akin to the telecom companies suing Skype for offering a service for free that they charge for?

From Xbiz:

LOS ANGELES — Kevin Cammarata’s $40 million lawsuit against operators of RedTube may have legs.

The online adult entrepreneur, who is founder of numerous websites and affiliate programs, including TeenRevenue, claims in a suit filed last month that streaming video site RedTube has unlawfully offered free movies as loss leaders in an attempt to crush the competion.

In his antitrust suit, Cammarata is seeking to have RedTube shut down.

“Now that consumers have the ability to watch high-quality adult videos for free on RedTube.com, fewer are making the choice to pay other adult website proprietors for the same or similar content,” the suit said.

Cammarata’s attorney, Jay Spillane, told XBIZ that because of these loss leaders streamed over RedTube, Cammarata has faced a substantial loss of customers and revenue, leading him to sell his business at an unfavorable price.

“Tube sites have done injury to the business,” Spillane said. “We feel RedTube and other sites like them are crowding out competition when it comes to the online adult business.”

RedTube is currently No. 45 on the Alexa traffic ranking scale but has cloaked itself in obscurity, according to Spillane.

Spillane told XBIZ that his firm so far has narrowed down companies named as defendants and has identified a Hong Kong company as the owner or operator of RedTube. That company does business as Bright Imperial Limited and is located on the 28th floor of a high-rise in the Wachai district of Hong Kong.

The suit, filed at Los Angeles Superior Court, also names as defendants Choopa, which hosts RedTube from Sayreville, N.J., as well as numerous blue-chip adult companies that advertise on the tube site.

Those advertisers that also are named include Bangbros.com; Utherverse, which owns RedLightCenter; Generation Financial, which owns Videosz.com; Fling.com; SexSearch; Lalib Limitada, which owns LiveJasmin.com; FriendFinder Networks and Brazzers.

Spillane said that the suit has been amended four times only because it has been difficult finding the real owners of the advertisements, which border the tube site that now offers some content that surfers can purchase.

“Of late, RedTube is offering a premium version, where consumers pay extra,” he said. “But if you look, you’ll see that they still offer 10,000 free videos.”

Spillane said that many of his online adult clients have been furious over the losses incurred by RedTube and other similar sites, and his firm had been seeking a bulletproof strategy.

“We worked on several legal theories,” he said, “but the one that seemed most reasonable was unfair competition. We worked on the possibility of copyright infringement but there are technical problems with that.”

Spillone noted that Cammarata, of Calabasas, Calif., said that TeenRevenue videos have been streamed on RedTube without the company's permission.

The suit, which makes claims for below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition, among others, seeks $10 million in actual damages and $30 million in treble damages.

It also seeks a permanent restraining order against RedTube.

XBIZ was unable to reach operators of RedTube by post time.

All complaints dismissed. The judge basically laughed them out of the courtroom.

http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/...-smackdown.pdf


I'm laughing my ass off at those of you who actually thought this had merit. What's actually true and what you wish were true are two different things.
Hoping someone wins a lawsuit against the guy eating up your market share, or hoping that they otherwise fail somehow, is not a business plan.

I don't really get this document. It looks like a partial four pages of a guy trying to say he's not liable cause it's not him. I had more pages on me for a crummy 18 months sentence.

What's the real story in layman's terms?

The court clerk's name is John Clarke? That made me LOL.

I don't get it. Was the whole case dismissed, or only the part of it related to advertisers and host?