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  • TheDoc
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 13827
    #51
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    This is a fact.

    We have more people looking at porn today than we have ever had. And we have less people buying it. You've had 8 years to prove traffic is King or God and look where it has got us.
    Sadly we do not have more porn traffic today... I'm not going to go through all the various ways to show this, but "WE" do have lots of proof that show we are greatly down in global volume.

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    More traffic does not produce more sales and if you ignore the customer he will show you whose right. HE IS.
    No colors but black and white?



    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    omygosh no worries about who makes the most money because some of the biggest money makers in this business are the ones who sold us up the river to make themselves rich.
    Business my friend... like it, lump it, it is what it is...


    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    Your point about controlling traffic is wrong, you can't. You can't control traffic because it's people and they have a habit of learning fast. If we could control traffic we would not have to keep heaping more of it into our sites to get ever decreasing returns.
    Best ask yahoo, and the other search engines what they think about controlling traffic. And if you want to see our numbers being down, you can see the search volume drop across the board on single company that controls the mass majority of our traffic.


    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    You know I'm right and said it. "If you are saying its harder to make the same amount of money today as it was 5 years ago with the same traffic numbers, you are probably right. However im sure some people are making more. But with that said, whats the point of whining about it?"
    You're asking me about whining? I have been the leader of bitching at you people for whining about tubes and have taken more heat than probably anymore for it.

    So much so half you ass holes go up to my wife and try to dispute what I think with her.. No balls... with business or anything is what the problem is..

    See above, balls is why some of these companies have taken off like they have.

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    The problem is the some people making more today are the ones who weren't making anything 5 years ago. I'm sure you have noticed many who have been here 5 years are getting out.
    Business? One part of my business made the money 5 years ago, a different part makes it today, it's still the same business.

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    Why whine about it? That's a good point because after years of telling people not to go this route they have gone it and some still say heaping more traffic onto a site is the answer. While their traffic falls and their conversion ratios worsen. Why is simple. YOU CAN'T CONTROL TRAFFIC.
    Buying heaps of crap isn't the answer... building traffic at massive volume has always been the answer.

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    If we were all making more money today than yesterday I would give up telling you your wrong.. But while our earnings are falling I have a right to tell you why I think they're falling.
    I know why your numbers are falling... funny thing is, you could tell me any part of your numbers and I could break your entire business down, how much money you make, traffic you have, and prob cover your errors without ever looking.

    If your traffic or numbers are falling - it's your fault and yours alone. Not the Industry, tubes, piracy, or even fully the eco... it's you and your lack of traffic!

    Otherwise, you make no sales at all and your shit is shit.. and I'm going to assume, you fixed your join pages by now?
    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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      • BradM
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2003
        • 3397
        #52
        If anyone is selling tube traffic I am buying. Thank you.

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          • CyberHustler
            Masterbaiter
            • Feb 2006
            • 28781
            #53
            A whole lotta complaining... My noob opinion is a lot of these perverted credit card holders wanna only pay for actual sex or to tell a bitch on camera what to do with herself... not just for wanking to a clip of somebody else enjoying themselves anymore... especially when theres so much of that shit available for free. Give 'em what they want but keep it legal.
            “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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              • RogerV
                Banned!
                • Jul 2002
                • 12591
                #54
                Originally posted by Dirty F
                MoronV, what exactly do you hope to achieve with your constant bs? Why is it that people like always have to lie and talk crap? Do you realize there is a honest way to get affiliates?

                You, Dirtydanza and Simon Synister are all the same. You idiots have so much in common. Besides all 3 being dumb fucking rednecks all you do is spam and bullshit. It's so fucking pathetic.

                I always wonder why hicks you like just NEED to bullshit day in day out. It's like compulsive behaviour. You can do things the right way but instead you just need to lie and talk out of your ass. Sad.
                did you get it all out LOL its sad that I will be around making money much longer then you. Bump for GetRichInPorn the easy way to make $60 pps

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                  • RogerV
                    Banned!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 12591
                    #55
                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                    Content is King - Traffic is God

                    We have far less porn traffic today than we ever have. Is the traffic still on the Internet? Yes! But since we have way less Webmasters today, we have way less global traffic being created, thus way less exchanges, way less exits going on - which has created less sales.


                    However traffic is god - and more traffic will produce you more sales. It's very simple to figure out, if someone else does more sales than you do - which 100% does happen - then you, don't have enough traffic - and that is a fact.
                    I have the same amount of traffic and sales are down on our paysites. so what your saying is I need more traffic to convert the few who dont know how to google for free porn tubes. I even have my own porn tube which has traffic and makes me sales but not for porn paysites.

                    And if traffic is God why is God Stealing from the Kings of content?
                    Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 08:42 AM.

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                      • BV
                        wtf
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 10914
                        #56
                        so who got rich in porn so far? hahahah lol

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                          • RogerV
                            Banned!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 12591
                            #57
                            Originally posted by BV
                            so who got rich in porn so far? hahahah lol
                            the affiliates promoting GRIP are

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                              • TheDoc
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 13827
                                #58
                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                I have the same amount of traffic and sales are down on our paysites. so what your saying is I need more traffic to convert the few who dont know how to google for free porn tubes. I even have my own porn tube which has traffic and makes me sales but not for porn paysites.

                                And if traffic is God why is God Stealing from the Kings of content?
                                Yeah, all you need is more traffic... of course. That math is about as 1, 2, 3 as it gets.

                                So what if they know about google and free porn and tubes? They still buy, the fact that you make any sales, proves they still buy. So your problem is traffic...


                                Kings of content own half of the tubes you hate... wake up and smell the b.s. falling all around you.
                                ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                  • BV
                                    wtf
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 10914
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                    the affiliates promoting GRIP are

                                    psssh, yah right

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                                      • Ozarkz
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Jan 2009
                                        • 2377
                                        #60
                                        GRIP is basically ripping off dumb surfers.

                                        and your Cellphone thing is basically ripping off dumb people with cellphones.

                                        Can't you run a business that doesn't rely on people being dumb?

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                                          • RogerV
                                            Banned!
                                            • Jul 2002
                                            • 12591
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                            Sadly we do not have more porn traffic today... I'm not going to go through all the various ways to show this, but "WE" do have lots of proof that show we are greatly down in global volume.

                                            ?
                                            So your saying we have less dicks in the world now and guys arnt horny anymore?
                                            the traffic is much higher! we conditioned them to get it free now. they dont need to search for porn anymore cause pornhub, red tube etc. gives them what they need to blow a load without even thinking of paying.

                                            the porn paysite model is a dying breed the tube model is the future thats what people are used to now. there are many ways to profit from it. we just arnt doing it though

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                                              • RogerV
                                                Banned!
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 12591
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Ozarkz
                                                GRIP is basically ripping off dumb surfers.

                                                and your Cellphone thing is basically ripping off dumb people with cellphones.

                                                Can't you run a business that doesn't rely on people being dumb?
                                                I'm not ripping anyone off. I give them everything they need to get into the biz and make money. Its up to them.

                                                I bet you dont even know what we have in our system you just guessing and posting BS

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                                                  • RogerV
                                                    Banned!
                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                    • 12591
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by BV
                                                    psssh, yah right
                                                    Unless you promoted GRIP you dont know how it converts. right now overall traffic we convert under 1/250. SE traffic under 1/80.
                                                    Dont believe thats fine i really dont care.
                                                    Like I said before I dont need affiliates we have our own traffic. But if someone wants to make money and promote something other then cams and dating we have the product

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                                                      • TheDoc
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 13827
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                        So your saying we have less dicks in the world now and guys arnt horny anymore?
                                                        the traffic is much higher! we conditioned them to get it free now. they dont need to search for porn anymore cause pornhub, red tube etc. gives them what they need to blow a load without even thinking of paying.

                                                        the porn paysite model is a dying breed the tube model is the future thats what people are used to now. there are many ways to profit from it. we just arnt doing it though
                                                        I would say we have less dicks online, less dicks that can spend money online. At that, we have less global exposure, thus we aren't getting the buyers to see us. That doesn't mean, they wouldn't buy.

                                                        Free porn or tubes don't take away from people buying... but they do take away your ability to market them - and that's the problem. If you can't sell people, of course they won't buy..

                                                        Straight up piracy traffic still converts - and always has... Tubes, piracy, free porn, it all still has buyers - and millions of them. It's all about your ability to tap into the traffic, or more mass - global traffic.


                                                        I'm pretty sure the tubes aren't hurting, and I know for a fact it isn't dating and cams they clean up on. If you want to advertise on the big tubes, some charge 6 figures a month for a single link in the header.... fucking free loaders.
                                                        ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                          • ADL Colin
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 11929
                                                            #65
                                                            A lot more money in tubes than people think.


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                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                • 13449
                                                                #66
                                                                You guys who are fairly new here need to realize that RogerV has been starting threads like this here for 7 years now.

                                                                In 2002 when he first registered, it was all about TGP's and how they were killing the business.

                                                                Now he gives galleries with hardcore movies to the TGP's for promotion and complains about tubes.

                                                                If he's still around in 5 years, he'll be doing business with the tubes and complaining about whatever the new thing is then.

                                                                These threads have entertainment value only.
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                                                                  • omygosh
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                    • 132
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                    Agreed we can control how much traffic we get. I was thinking beyond the feeding it in point.

                                                                    Some will only post on boards and bitch. We added more content, opened the site to the surfer (they only see thumbs) and gave them a free live show every night. It works, we improved our ratios at a time when most are worsening. Why? We spent more on the members area. (Content of the site.)

                                                                    It was cheaper than throwing more traffic at the site and far more productive. If they all did it would all their ratios improve?

                                                                    I hope they don't.
                                                                    And I was thinking that the members area was already solid and setup to convert / retain. Thats what I was saying regarding matching the product with what the user wants and needs. By adding to that you will increase the conversion ratio like you did.

                                                                    Now that you have made the product more efficient and have a better conversion ratio increase the traffic and you have more sales

                                                                    Even if the ratio gets a little bit worse you will increase your overall sales. Just need to make sure the increase covers the cost but it should since you are setup to convert and retain better.

                                                                    (my formula sucked haha)

                                                                    But you get the point.

                                                                    If your ratio is similar, more traffic = more sales. Just need to cover the costs to see if its worth it

                                                                    Im actually impressed, I think theres honestly a lot of value in this thread and its not just another "aimless complaint" thread
                                                                    Last edited by omygosh; 04-07-2009, 09:23 AM.

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                                                                      • james_clickmemedia
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                        • 2204
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                        Let me guess what you sell????

                                                                        Your post is pure bull shit. Traffic does not bring money into the industry and that governs the success of an industry.

                                                                        The problem is you can't own people and they are traffic, they decide to buy or not. The more who decide not to buy, because we listen to people moving them around and spend too much money moving them around, means the less money we all make.

                                                                        AFTER 8 YEARS OF LISTENING TO THESE FOOLS AND TRAFFIC IS KING ANSWER ME THESE TWO QUESTIONS.

                                                                        DO WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC?

                                                                        DO WE MAKE MORE OR LESS MONEY?

                                                                        The answer is yes we have more traffic and we all make less money.

                                                                        Yet some will never get it.
                                                                        I hate to say it but he has a point.
                                                                        I would rather have 1 good sign-up than 10,000 hits.. At least I know what the "good" sign-up is worth to me.
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                                                                          • RogerV
                                                                            Banned!
                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                            • 12591
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                            I would say we have less dicks online, less dicks that can spend money online. At that, we have less global exposure, thus we aren't getting the buyers to see us. That doesn't mean, they wouldn't buy.

                                                                            Free porn or tubes don't take away from people buying... but they do take away your ability to market them - and that's the problem. If you can't sell people, of course they won't buy..

                                                                            Straight up piracy traffic still converts - and always has... Tubes, piracy, free porn, it all still has buyers - and millions of them. It's all about your ability to tap into the traffic, or more mass - global traffic.


                                                                            I'm pretty sure the tubes aren't hurting, and I know for a fact it isn't dating and cams they clean up on. If you want to advertise on the big tubes, some charge 6 figures a month for a single link in the header.... fucking free loaders.
                                                                            Sorry I have to disagree the tubes that have content with hardcore long videos and guys can spank it free does affect sales.
                                                                            the surfers are now conditioned to not pay just ask anyone you know. ask 10 of your friends where they go to get porn now.

                                                                            the demand is there but the supply is free

                                                                            the porn industry is making pennies on traffic now when they could be making dollars
                                                                            Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 09:31 AM.

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                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                You guys who are fairly new here need to realize that RogerV has been starting threads like this here for 7 years now.

                                                                                In 2002 when he first registered, it was all about TGP's and how they were killing the business.

                                                                                Now he gives galleries with hardcore movies to the TGP's for promotion and complains about tubes.

                                                                                If he's still around in 5 years, he'll be doing business with the tubes and complaining about whatever the new thing is then.

                                                                                These threads have entertainment value only.
                                                                                LOL yes I think all free porn should only tease and not show pink.
                                                                                I had to adapt to make money but it doesnt mean I think its right.

                                                                                its gotten alot worse. I think tubes are a great platform but I dont think they are monetizing the traffic right.

                                                                                I have a tube and do business with tubes now because i have no choice if I want to survive in this industry I have to adapt.
                                                                                Even though i dont agree where this industry is headed at this point. hope it changes
                                                                                Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 09:43 AM.

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                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                    • 13449
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                    Sorry I have to disagree the tubes that have content with hardcore long videos and guys can spank it free does affect sales.
                                                                                    the surfers are now conditioned to not pay just ask anyone you know. ask 10 of your friends where they go to get porn now.

                                                                                    the demand is there but the supply is free

                                                                                    the porn industry is making pennies on traffic now when they could be making dollars
                                                                                    Yeah and 7 years ago you said TGPs with hardcore pics where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                    And 4 years ago you said MGPs with 30 second long hardcore movies where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                    If I asked 10 friends where they go for porn today, 7 would name a tube site or two.

                                                                                    If I asked 10 friends 5 years ago where they went for porn, 7 of them would say The Hun or a similar site.

                                                                                    Same shit, different day.
                                                                                    The people who are really hurting, are the ones who have crappy members sites, or other types of free sites that are inferior to tubes.
                                                                                    Brazzers, Nasty Dollars, Naughty America...those guys seem to be doing fine, updating like clockwork and opening new sites. If business was total shit, I doubt they'd be investing in new sites since they're expensive these days.

                                                                                    I get being pissed about stolen content, I agree with you there. I wish there was some mechanism under the DMCA that would deal with people who abuse it and hide behind the safe harbor provision....but this whole "they won't buy the cow if they get the milk for free argument" has been going on since the days when you guys were pissed off at the newsgroups.

                                                                                    If your business sucks, look in the mirror, you'll see the problem.
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                                                                                      • james_clickmemedia
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                        • 2204
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                        Yeah and 7 years ago you said TGPs with hardcore pics where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                        And 4 years ago you said MGPs with 30 second long hardcore movies where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                        If I asked 10 friends where they go for porn today, 7 would name a tube site or two.

                                                                                        If I asked 10 friends 5 years ago where they went for porn, 7 of them would say The Hun or a similar site.

                                                                                        Same shit, different day.
                                                                                        The people who are really hurting, are the ones who have crappy members sites, or other types of free sites that are inferior to tubes.
                                                                                        Brazzers, Nasty Dollars, Naughty America...those guys seem to be doing fine, updating like clockwork and opening new sites. If business was total shit, I doubt they'd be investing in new sites since they're expensive these days.

                                                                                        I get being pissed about stolen content, I agree with you there. I wish there was some mechanism under the DMCA that would deal with people who abuse it and hide behind the safe harbor provision....but this whole "they won't buy the cow if they get the milk for free argument" has been going on since the days when you guys were pissed off at the newsgroups.

                                                                                        If your business sucks, look in the mirror, you'll see the problem.
                                                                                        I agree, a good members area keeps members however the problem is affiliates believe you have to give the surfers 5 mins flv clips to get sales instead of teaser clips which I believe work better.
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                                                                                          • RogerV
                                                                                            Banned!
                                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                                            • 12591
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                            Yeah and 7 years ago you said TGPs with hardcore pics where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                            And 4 years ago you said MGPs with 30 second long hardcore movies where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                            If I asked 10 friends where they go for porn today, 7 would name a tube site or two.

                                                                                            If I asked 10 friends 5 years ago where they went for porn, 7 of them would say The Hun or a similar site.

                                                                                            Same shit, different day.
                                                                                            The people who are really hurting, are the ones who have crappy members sites, or other types of free sites that are inferior to tubes.
                                                                                            Brazzers, Nasty Dollars, Naughty America...those guys seem to be doing fine, updating like clockwork and opening new sites. If business was total shit, I doubt they'd be investing in new sites since they're expensive these days.

                                                                                            I get being pissed about stolen content, I agree with you there. I wish there was some mechanism under the DMCA that would deal with people who abuse it and hide behind the safe harbor provision....but this whole "they won't buy the cow if they get the milk for free argument" has been going on since the days when you guys were pissed off at the newsgroups.

                                                                                            If your business sucks, look in the mirror, you'll see the problem.
                                                                                            I still think All the free hardcore porn affects porn sales. just because they are still making money doesnt mean they couldnt be doing better.

                                                                                            I have adapted and will make money no matter what but I wish the industry would stop thinking throwing more free porn out there is the solution.

                                                                                            If you think all this free harcore porn on the net is good for business fine but I think its fucking all of us from making more money.

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                                                                                              • fris
                                                                                                I have to go potty
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 55790
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                if GRIP is doing so well, why is it so hard to pay your affiliates?
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                                                                                                  • TheDoc
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 13827
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                    I still think All the free hardcore porn affects porn sales. just because they are still making money doesnt mean they couldnt be doing better.

                                                                                                    I have adapted and will make money no matter what but I wish the industry would stop thinking throwing more free porn out there is the solution.

                                                                                                    If you think all this free harcore porn on the net is good for business fine but I think its fucking all of us from making more money.



                                                                                                    Ok.... let me get this straight. You, said your own traffic/sales is down. And, you clearly think your videos on tubes hurts you, along with free hardcore porn. Do you still give out free hosted galleries with hardcore porn on it? Anyway..



                                                                                                    You, remove piracy, maybe you control how much hardcore porn you give out, you try to stay on top of password leaks, you do all this shit to make sure your shit isn't over exposed, or stole, whatever.


                                                                                                    Think for a minute - Your sales are down, your traffic is down. Well, what are you doing? You are removing free traffic, free exposure, free branding.

                                                                                                    Now wait.. You just said all these 'FREE TUBE PORN VIEWING PEOPLE' don't buy anyway, the hardcore porn, full movies keep them from buying.

                                                                                                    Then..... why care if your content is removed from tubes or piracy sites? If they will never buy, you have lost nothing - other than your time and effort to hunt it down.

                                                                                                    But.. keeping it up - well, if they aren't buying who cares... but if they are, or would, or would talk, or link it up, or maybe get it a search link because 20 others with tube sites like the video, giving.....

                                                                                                    oh i'm done... screw it... I'm almost shocked at how many people haven't gotten even to the 101 level of this yet.
                                                                                                    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                                                      • RogerV
                                                                                                        Banned!
                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                        if GRIP is doing so well, why is it so hard to pay your affiliates?
                                                                                                        what are you talking about we always pay affiliates. we have over 5k affiliates now. sometimes shit happens but people still get paid.

                                                                                                        you need to get a life other then trying to slam me like Dirty frank

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                                                                                                          • RogerV
                                                                                                            Banned!
                                                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                                                            • 12591
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                            Ok.... let me get this straight. You, said your own traffic/sales is down. And, you clearly think your videos on tubes hurts you, along with free hardcore porn. Do you still give out free hosted galleries with hardcore porn on it? Anyway..



                                                                                                            You, remove piracy, maybe you control how much hardcore porn you give out, you try to stay on top of password leaks, you do all this shit to make sure your shit isn't over exposed, or stole, whatever.


                                                                                                            Think for a minute - Your sales are down, your traffic is down. Well, what are you doing? You are removing free traffic, free exposure, free branding.

                                                                                                            Now wait.. You just said all these 'FREE TUBE PORN VIEWING PEOPLE' don't buy anyway, the hardcore porn, full movies keep them from buying.

                                                                                                            Then..... why care if your content is removed from tubes or piracy sites? If they will never buy, you have lost nothing - other than your time and effort to hunt it down.

                                                                                                            But.. keeping it up - well, if they aren't buying who cares... but if they are, or would, or would talk, or link it up, or maybe get it a search link because 20 others with tube sites like the video, giving.....

                                                                                                            oh i'm done... screw it... I'm almost shocked at how many people haven't gotten even to the 101 level of this yet.
                                                                                                            I have no idea what point your trying to make.

                                                                                                            if you think the direction this industry his headed is fine. then only time will tell what happens.

                                                                                                            As far as im concerned I'm sure everyones paysites are down in sales at least thats what i hear.

                                                                                                            I'm just lucky I found a new revenue source thats not effected and works in this economy and state of industry

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                                                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                Yeah and 7 years ago you said TGPs with hardcore pics where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                                                And 4 years ago you said MGPs with 30 second long hardcore movies where surfers could spank for free affected sales.

                                                                                                                If I asked 10 friends where they go for porn today, 7 would name a tube site or two.

                                                                                                                If I asked 10 friends 5 years ago where they went for porn, 7 of them would say The Hun or a similar site.

                                                                                                                Same shit, different day.
                                                                                                                The people who are really hurting, are the ones who have crappy members sites, or other types of free sites that are inferior to tubes.
                                                                                                                Brazzers, Nasty Dollars, Naughty America...those guys seem to be doing fine, updating like clockwork and opening new sites. If business was total shit, I doubt they'd be investing in new sites since they're expensive these days.

                                                                                                                I get being pissed about stolen content, I agree with you there. I wish there was some mechanism under the DMCA that would deal with people who abuse it and hide behind the safe harbor provision....but this whole "they won't buy the cow if they get the milk for free argument" has been going on since the days when you guys were pissed off at the newsgroups.

                                                                                                                If your business sucks, look in the mirror, you'll see the problem.
                                                                                                                Again I disagree I bet all 10 of your friends would say a tube site now

                                                                                                                5 years ago maybe 7 would have said a TGP

                                                                                                                So yes I think it affects sales now even more.

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                                                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                    • 13449
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                    I still think All the free hardcore porn affects porn sales. just because they are still making money doesnt mean they couldnt be doing better.

                                                                                                                    I have adapted and will make money no matter what but I wish the industry would stop thinking throwing more free porn out there is the solution.

                                                                                                                    If you think all this free harcore porn on the net is good for business fine but I think its fucking all of us from making more money.
                                                                                                                    You say "this industry" as if it's one mind.
                                                                                                                    As if we have meetings and come to a consensus on what we're going to do.

                                                                                                                    That's not the way this, or any other business works.

                                                                                                                    Less free porn might be good for you, but it would suck for the sites who now have millions of hits per day because they gave away free porn.

                                                                                                                    Business would be better for AT&T if there weren't a bunch of companies selling cell phones. Each new company charges a lower price and offers more freebies than the last one, which puts downward pressure on the entire market.
                                                                                                                    Eventually companies consolidate and markets stabilize, although with much slimmer margins than before. Usually margins are just high enough to make it worth continuing business, because charging any more would lead to losing customers to the competition.

                                                                                                                    This is the same thing we're going through in this business. In 1998 there were like a few dozen paysites. Now there are a few thousand.
                                                                                                                    You used to charge $40/month for a paysite that had 1/10th the amount of content you probably have in your members area now.
                                                                                                                    The top sites charge $25/month for a ridiculous amount of content/updates now.

                                                                                                                    You're the guy in the cell phone business who wants to go back to the bag phones and charging a buck fifty a minute when everyone else realizes that $50/month for unlimited use is where the market is headed.
                                                                                                                    sig too big

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                                                                                                                      • fris
                                                                                                                        I have to go potty
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                        • 55790
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                        what are you talking about we always pay affiliates. we have over 5k affiliates now. sometimes shit happens but people still get paid.

                                                                                                                        you need to get a life other then trying to slam me like Dirty frank
                                                                                                                        im not trying to slam you , just stating facts.
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                                                                                                                          • Dirty F
                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                            • 59204
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                                            im not trying to slam you , just stating facts.
                                                                                                                            He always has memory loss when it has to do with something negative that happened.

                                                                                                                            He's a liar, a big time bullshitter and he always seems to forget the right things.

                                                                                                                            Once again i wonder why he is like this. He has a program, he could be doing things the right way without the constant bs but he just doesn't. I can't think of another reason than that he's simply born like this.

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                                                                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                He always has memory loss when it has to do with something negative that happened.

                                                                                                                                He's a liar, a big time bullshitter and he always seems to forget the right things.

                                                                                                                                Once again i wonder why he is like this. He has a program, he could be doing things the right way without the constant bs but he just doesn't. I can't think of another reason than that he's simply born like this.
                                                                                                                                LMAO... thanks for the bump

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                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                                                    im not trying to slam you , just stating facts.
                                                                                                                                    what facts a few people didnt get paid by me cause of stats issues which eventually they got paid. big fuckin deal I have paid 1000's of webmasters in the millions.

                                                                                                                                    I wish shit wouldnt fuck up but its out of my control sometimes if you think my rep isnt good enough fine dont send me traffic I could care less...

                                                                                                                                    Sucks for you to have a brother that is a scam artist & I'm sure your not that far behind him

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                                                                                                                                      • RogerV
                                                                                                                                        Banned!
                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                        You say "this industry" as if it's one mind.
                                                                                                                                        As if we have meetings and come to a consensus on what we're going to do.

                                                                                                                                        That's not the way this, or any other business works.

                                                                                                                                        Less free porn might be good for you, but it would suck for the sites who now have millions of hits per day because they gave away free porn.

                                                                                                                                        Business would be better for AT&T if there weren't a bunch of companies selling cell phones. Each new company charges a lower price and offers more freebies than the last one, which puts downward pressure on the entire market.
                                                                                                                                        Eventually companies consolidate and markets stabilize, although with much slimmer margins than before. Usually margins are just high enough to make it worth continuing business, because charging any more would lead to losing customers to the competition.

                                                                                                                                        This is the same thing we're going through in this business. In 1998 there were like a few dozen paysites. Now there are a few thousand.
                                                                                                                                        You used to charge $40/month for a paysite that had 1/10th the amount of content you probably have in your members area now.
                                                                                                                                        The top sites charge $25/month for a ridiculous amount of content/updates now.

                                                                                                                                        You're the guy in the cell phone business who wants to go back to the bag phones and charging a buck fifty a minute when everyone else realizes that $50/month for unlimited use is where the market is headed.
                                                                                                                                        Come on I cant believe your starting to really believe your own BS. you cant compare this to any other industry its all about supply and demand

                                                                                                                                        Like I said I could care less I will always make money online till I decide to retire.

                                                                                                                                        I'm just stating how I feel about it. If you dont agree fine keep adding long hardcore free porn videos to the net.. lets see what happens only time will tell you are wrong and I am right
                                                                                                                                        Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 06:33 PM.

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                                                                                                                                          • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 59204
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                            what facts a few people didnt get paid by me cause of stats issues which eventually they got paid.
                                                                                                                                            So you do remember it. Why did you deny it?

                                                                                                                                            Do you ever make ONE post without lying or bullshitting in it? It's impossible for you right? You just NEED to talk crap. Compulsive behaviour, right dumb hick?

                                                                                                                                            You're such a pathetic piece of shit. Do you even realize that your program does real shit just because of you? You're dumb fucking attitude on the boards makes everyone stay away from you. Once again you could've done it the right way but you prefer to do it the wrong way. I don't feel sorry for you. Dumb white trash cunt.

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                                                                                                                                              • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 59204
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                we have over 5k affiliates now
                                                                                                                                                how many are active? 20 maybe?

                                                                                                                                                You can brag all you want fact is you do everything you can to spam your shitty piece of shit program (including lying) to get a few affiliates because nobody sends you any sales

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                                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                    how many are active? 20 maybe?

                                                                                                                                                    You can brag all you want fact is you do everything you can to spam your shitty piece of shit program (including lying) to get a few affiliates because nobody sends you any sales
                                                                                                                                                    If anything i'm doing the affiliates a favor allowing them to make money from my product.
                                                                                                                                                    like I said I could care less I do amazing with our inhouse traffic.

                                                                                                                                                    thanks for the bumps again Dirty Fag. your just a little blip on my GFY screen what you say here doesnt effect my income at all. You just keep showing people how your a little keyboard bitch warrior and those who like or follow you around GFY are just as lame

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                                                                                                                                                      • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 59204
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                        like I said I could care less I do amazing with our inhouse traffic.
                                                                                                                                                        Jesus dude stop fucking lying!!! Just try to make ONE post without lying in it!

                                                                                                                                                        You could care less that's why all you do on gfy is spam your idiotic site with non stop bullshit and lies....
                                                                                                                                                        Yeah you really look like you could care less. For someone who could care less about getting affiliates you seem goddamn fucking desperate with your daily retard spam.

                                                                                                                                                        Fucking moron.

                                                                                                                                                        Don't you fucking realize everyone can see your lies and bullshit every time you fucking post? Don't you fucking understand that? Don't you understand if you would do it the good way you'd get 10 times more affiliates? Besides some of your bro's basically everyone here thinks you're a goddamn fucking moron. Guess why....because you act like one. With the good way i mean stopping the lies and bullshit and acting like a total pathetic spamming idiot all the time. You're such a dumb fuck i almost feel sorry for you. I can't believe i'm actually giving you advice because you so don't deserve it.

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                                                                                                                                                          • omygosh
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 132
                                                                                                                                                            #89


                                                                                                                                                            ... Get a room!! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                              • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                Why is it every single person I talk to about porn ask me how I make money since its all free online. These people arnt even in our business and they get it.
                                                                                                                                                                How can Ferrari make money when there are cars for sale that cost 1/10th of a Ferrari?

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                                                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                                    Jesus dude stop fucking lying!!! Just try to make ONE post without lying in it!

                                                                                                                                                                    You could care less that's why all you do on gfy is spam your idiotic site with non stop bullshit and lies....
                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah you really look like you could care less. For someone who could care less about getting affiliates you seem goddamn fucking desperate with your daily retard spam.

                                                                                                                                                                    Fucking moron.

                                                                                                                                                                    Don't you fucking realize everyone can see your lies and bullshit every time you fucking post? Don't you fucking understand that? Don't you understand if you would do it the good way you'd get 10 times more affiliates? Besides some of your bro's basically everyone here thinks you're a goddamn fucking moron. Guess why....because you act like one. With the good way i mean stopping the lies and bullshit and acting like a total pathetic spamming idiot all the time. You're such a dumb fuck i almost feel sorry for you. I can't believe i'm actually giving you advice because you so don't deserve it.
                                                                                                                                                                    Can you do more then cut and paste.. Like you know what people are thinking LOL
                                                                                                                                                                    like I said you dont affect my bank account at all. and the bros can think what they want i could care less.

                                                                                                                                                                    thanks for the bump again so far today i have 6 new affiliates doubt its off gfy but who cares at least they are smart enough t sign up

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                                                                                                                                                                      • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                        Banned!
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                        How can Ferrari make money when there are cars for sale that cost 1/10th of a Ferrari?
                                                                                                                                                                        Which cars can I get free is the question? or better yet how can a ferrari make money if the lambos are free?

                                                                                                                                                                        either way someone has to pay for the ferrari or the cars that are 1/10th of the price
                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 10:02 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                            Which cars can I get free is the question? or better yet how can a ferrari make money if the lambos are free?

                                                                                                                                                                            either way someone has to pay for the ferrari or the cars that are 1/10th of the price
                                                                                                                                                                            My point is since you are too obtuse to get it it is that why would someone pay $100,000 or more for a car when they can get a new one for $15,000? The answer is because some people aren't satisfied with a $15,000 car and want something more.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                My point is since you are too obtuse to get it it is that why would someone pay $100,000 or more for a car when they can get a new one for $15,000? The answer is because some people aren't satisfied with a $15,000 car and want something more.
                                                                                                                                                                                I got it . give away cars for free and they will be satisfied with it.

                                                                                                                                                                                Especially when they get all the free ferrari's they want for free.


                                                                                                                                                                                How does one make a sale on a ferrari when they can just get endless amounts for free?

                                                                                                                                                                                what is the point your trying to make? my obtuse friend
                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by RogerV; 04-07-2009, 10:16 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hell Yeaaaa

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • mmcfadden
                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 5099
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        i'm confused... who is obtuse and what is going on now?? i read a bit but will clarify a definition...

                                                                                                                                                                                        1 a: not pointed or acute : blunt b (1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle <an obtuse triangle> — see triangle illustration cof a leaf : rounded at the free end
                                                                                                                                                                                        2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive , stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • fris
                                                                                                                                                                                            I have to go potty
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 55790
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            please show me one tgp or mgp or link list or tube site that has an active webmaster promoting you
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                                                                                                                please show me one tgp or mgp or link list or tube site that has an active webmaster promoting you
                                                                                                                                                                                                please get a life and stop trolling me do you need me to give you money like your brother.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not going to post my affiliates biz on a board to prove it. if you want to know start surfing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • fris
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have to go potty
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 55790
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                                    please get a life and stop trolling me do you need me to give you money like your brother.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not going to post my affiliates biz on a board to prove it. if you want to know start surfing
                                                                                                                                                                                                    you are the one that made a thread with my name in it, you seem to be the one obviously pissed off, but besides that, show me one site with decent traffic that has your content listed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Can it be done?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Doubt it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 18208
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I got it . give away cars for free and they will be satisfied with it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Especially when they get all the free ferrari's they want for free.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        How does one make a sale on a ferrari when they can just get endless amounts for free?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        what is the point your trying to make? my obtuse friend
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I swear you're fucking retarded. if you can't understand a simple analogy then I'm not explaining it to you.

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