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This is the point so few get.
There is no legal avenue and never will be to getting rid of Tubes.
If you disagree point out how and I will reply.
Even if they change DMCA to enforce the repeat offending site to prove it was uploaded be an outside user and you can find him and sue him. Even if they pass a law in every country in the world to make Internet piracy a real offense and they enforced it. Tubes will still stay and still take your customers.
I wish it was not so, but it is and always will be.
Because if this impossible dream became a reality Tubes would still be here. If we don't change the business model of what we sell.
Some sites will still support full scene Tube sites. Others will give the Tube site owners all the 4, 5, 6 or what ever length scene they ask for. And some will host the scenes as well, so the Tube can sell dating and cam sites. A struggling site or sponsor might decide to turn their site into a Tube site with all their legal content, keep their existing join links and start harvesting traffic and bookmarkers. They can add the dating and cam adverts before or after they inform their affiliates. They are not worried about upsetting people, they have made the move to the dark side.
And customers and surfers will still flock to them.
And don't think we will. We make good money still from the paysites and content stores and do not see it getting worse. In fact it's been getting better the last few months.
So long as Tube sites make a profit they are here to stay. The day they stop making a profit they will disappear. We can speed that day along or we can ignore it.Last edited by Paul Markham; 04-05-2009, 12:54 AM.Comment
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I had dinner with Paolo is Phoenix. He's knows a thing or two before he started investing huge amounts of money and time on this.Comment
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I think this displays the level of your thinking. Traffic is worthless until it buys something. So if you remove one of the main selling lines (porn) from the Adult Entertainment Internet where is the INCREASED value going to come from?
Just having surfers on a site looking at free content does not mean sales. In fact it can lead to the opposite. The proof is all around you if you care to look.Comment
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yea I know paolo and he wouldnt waste his time or money if he didnt think he would get something out of it. I know for a fact he hates his content stolen so if he wins and other tubes see he wont allow his content to be whored for free, thats just good business and his sites would convert better etc.
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your so right, if you are not willing to buy porn you they are not willing to buy anything
they found a way to survive without eating
they no longer need shelter
they don't need clothes
they are in a pod like the matrix now.
oh yeah
and let not forget one they see a torrent site THEY NEVER EVER BUY another membership again.
It not like you can change your site, by adding live interaction(live chat with their favorite girl) or some other benefit that would convince them to buy even though the videos are available everywhere free.
IDIOT.
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No you're the idiot. If mainstream industries start spending advertising money on porn sites you're dead right. So long as they don't you're dead wrong.
I think it's pretty well known few people after downloading something from a Torrent then buy it.
I have added live chat to my site and here you're spot on and I'm behind you. I have done it and seen an increase in sign ups and retention. The pity is very very few affiliates are interested in promoting sites who do it and very few sites are interested in including this on their site.
Improving and changing members areas is one of the ways we can close or make Tube sites less popular. But this industry does not work like that. Many expect the tide to turn by magic.Comment
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The problem in adult is you don't have the options you would in mainstream. Cams, dating (which is a dying industry anyway), and maybe sex toys. YouTube struggles to pull a profit and they have unlimited sources of advertising. If Miller Lite would run beer ads next to some hardcore porn, I guarantee we'd be seeing content given away for free.
I understand your suggestion that companies use the content as a traffic source, but profiting on it isn't as easy as you make it seem. The "give it away for free" crowd is struggling mightily. Myspace/Facebook struggle to make profits, as does YouTube. Twitter and Digg are losing millions of dollars a year. Traffic doesn't always mean profits.
Nonetheless, just because you feel someone isn't utilizing their product to your liking certainly doesn't mean they should have it stolen from them. I think it's silly that Amazon sells their Kindle for so much right now and think they'd do better lowering the price a lot and making their money off digital book sales in the future. But I don't think I have a right to steal a Kindle because of it.Last edited by pocketkangaroo; 04-06-2009, 04:38 AM.Comment
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mainstream doesn't need to advertise to make this work
you have enough advertisers here already
totally clueless, so you have improved your site to have a USP that will work even your content is given away for free and you are waiting for the affiliates to promote you.I think it's pretty well known few people after downloading something from a Torrent then buy it.
I have added live chat to my site and here you're spot on and I'm behind you. I have done it and seen an increase in sign ups and retention. The pity is very very few affiliates are interested in promoting sites who do it and very few sites are interested in including this on their site.
Improving and changing members areas is one of the ways we can close or make Tube sites less popular. But this industry does not work like that. Many expect the tide to turn by magic.
instead of
using a branding bug to advertise that USP (for free) to all the people watching your video on the tube sites and torrent sites (for free).
again i say it
you are a moron
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Does anyone pay this Gideon guy to agitate for a better new world full of stolen intellectual property? - ok calling porn intellectual property is a bit over the top, but I'm talking in general
What's the reason behind this? What's the purpose, what's the outcome?
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adult is way cheaper to produce that traditional content. your talking about 5k vs 1.3 million for an episode.
so the cost allocation to break even is WAY lower.
it has taken us 2 years worth of testing to put together 121 things you need to save a cancelled tv show using bit torrent.
The funny thing is each one of those thing was tested with adult content. (i was the guy who did the testing).
While you have to do all 121 to even have a shot of saving a cancelled show, you only have to do a tiny fraction of those things to recover your loses in the case of adult.
That why i keep saying you guys are so clueless.
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Good post.
I know web cam here has taken a massive hit. One of the large independent studios, own girls and sites, closed last year. A large studio that had their girls on many of the biggest and medium size sites has reported a 40% drop in revenue and the girls who turn up for castings who are or have worked in the Cams side complain about the money. This industry was good, over grew itself and now is suffering and unlike paysites you can't ignore the content. It costs you money and if you redirect money from the girls to the affiliates and adverts to get more traffic the girls leave. So don't expect Web Cams to be big advertisers in the future.
Dating is new, but how long will it be able to fund the Tubes? Logic tells me that if someone meets a person they like they come out of the dating game. If they don't find a partner how long will they keep spending money to get nothing? Yes there are some guys and a few girls who are looking for fast sex, but you can't run AFF on them.
Cue for all the dating and cam sites to tell us how well they are doing.
This has been blindingly obvious for years the problem is people do not get it. They see Google and other SEs making money from advertising and they assume advertising is the key. They don't realise the difference in the advertising markets. Google, Yahoo are like Yellow Pages. You need a plumber or Dentist in your area and you pick up Yellow Pages to find one. You search on SE to find something you already need, you are looking for a supplier, it can pay yo advertise on the SE pages. BECAUSE THE LOOKER NEEDS WHAT YOU HAVE.I understand your suggestion that companies use the content as a traffic source, but profiting on it isn't as easy as you make it seem. The "give it away for free" crowd is struggling mightily. Myspace/Facebook struggle to make profits, as does YouTube. Twitter and Digg are losing millions of dollars a year. Traffic doesn't always mean profits.
Advertising on a Tube is the opposite. The looker needs a bit of free entertainment, the odds on him wanting the product next to the free entertainment are minute. Comparing a click able advert that can track and evaluate traffic with TV ads is another example of peoples ignorance about advertising.
Sadly a lot of people feel if it's on the Internet it belongs to everyone and they can do with it as they please. The fact that Internet traffic in Sweden dropped when they brought in anti piracy laws proves they know the truth. Swedish 'Net Traffic Dips As Anti-Piracy Law Kicks In.Nonetheless, just because you feel someone isn't utilizing their product to your liking certainly doesn't mean they should have it stolen from them. I think it's silly that Amazon sells their Kindle for so much right now and think they'd do better lowering the price a lot and making their money off digital book sales in the future. But I don't think I have a right to steal a Kindle because of it.
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Maybe Pussy Cash pay him per post. Maybe we should tell them the dribble he comes out with, because it must put people off clicking on their banner. Do they know what he posts?
Maybe he makes money from Torrents, Tubes and piracy and arguing it's merits in the hope people will think it's a good thing.
Maybe he's trying to convince himself that he's right.
Most of the Pirating sites exist on selling something, adverts is one and maybe there are other ways. But we are now 6 months into a recession and it's going to get worse. A lot of people are going to suffer and the Pirate sites will suffer worse than most. Especially in Adult.
Paysites can cut their budgets, traffic, content, staff, development. Tube sites can't. I suspect most of them are run on a tight budget and survive on the 1 in a 1,000 who buy. It could be higher or lower than that and yes it's a guess. But he once said that he was getting 1-300 conversions. And I assume he means on people clicking on an advert. How many times does a scene get viewed before an advert gets clicked on?
More people with less money are hitting the Tube sites. Web cam is not the money maker it was and Dating will suffer in these hard times. I suspect they will be getting more traffic and less sales in the future. Higher bills, less sales equals problems.
I'm not throwing in the towel yet.
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that not turning your content into a traffic source that just simply using the standard traffic/content relationship to sell something else.Good post.
I know web cam here has taken a massive hit. One of the large independent studios, own girls and sites, closed last year. A large studio that had their girls on many of the biggest and medium size sites has reported a 40% drop in revenue and the girls who turn up for castings who are or have worked in the Cams side complain about the money. This industry was good, over grew itself and now is suffering and unlike paysites you can't ignore the content. It costs you money and if you redirect money from the girls to the affiliates and adverts to get more traffic the girls leave. So don't expect Web Cams to be big advertisers in the future.
Dating is new, but how long will it be able to fund the Tubes? Logic tells me that if someone meets a person they like they come out of the dating game. If they don't find a partner how long will they keep spending money to get nothing? Yes there are some guys and a few girls who are looking for fast sex, but you can't run AFF on them.
but that exactly what happens when you turn your content into a traffic source.This has been blindingly obvious for years the problem is people do not get it. They see Google and other SEs making money from advertising and they assume advertising is the key. They don't realise the difference in the advertising markets. Google, Yahoo are like Yellow Pages. You need a plumber or Dentist in your area and you pick up Yellow Pages to find one. You search on SE to find something you already need, you are looking for a supplier, it can pay yo advertise on the SE pages. BECAUSE THE LOOKER NEEDS WHAT YOU HAVE.
the product placement /tv show relationship is an example of content being turned into a traffic source. when edward use blackberry in my own worst enemy it is a feature by feature advertising of the device.Advertising on a Tube is the opposite. The looker needs a bit of free entertainment, the odds on him wanting the product next to the free entertainment are minute. Comparing a click able advert that can track and evaluate traffic with TV ads is another example of peoples ignorance about advertising.
What you are talking about is an example of just using the existing traffic/content relationship to sell something else.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.
the second another dead person gets accused of stealing content, and his/her family has to spend 100k defending themselves against the bogus complaint. The law will get repealed.Sadly a lot of people feel if it's on the Internet it belongs to everyone and they can do with it as they please. The fact that Internet traffic in Sweden dropped when they brought in anti piracy laws proves they know the truth. Swedish 'Net Traffic Dips As Anti-Piracy Law Kicks In.
If this law was adopted by more countries the theft would dry up very fast. Not completely, but back to the point where we could go back to making a good living.
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i have tested 231 things to monetize the bittorrent distribution of adult content. 61 worked. another 32 won't work with adult content (given it nature) but will work with non adult content irregardless if it is pushed by the establishment the last 29 will only work with an established push.
I know it will work, and we have just got to the point where it is possible to save a cancelled tv show (timeshifted to death) we will be running the closed beta over the next couple of months.
Paysites can cut their budgets, traffic, content, staff, development. Tube sites can't. I suspect most of them are run on a tight budget and survive on the 1 in a 1,000 who buy. It could be higher or lower than that and yes it's a guess. But he once said that he was getting 1-300 conversions. And I assume he means on people clicking on an advert. How many times does a scene get viewed before an advert gets clicked on?
More people with less money are hitting the Tube sites. Web cam is not the money maker it was and Dating will suffer in these hard times. I suspect they will be getting more traffic and less sales in the future. Higher bills, less sales equals problems.
I'm not throwing in the towel yet.
as the economy get worse people will be looking for cheaper alternatives to the paid versions
technology is starting to solve the bandwidth problems. there is multiple project to make a flash style player that will play a torrent file in real time. As a result the cost of serving the file to 100 people is the same cost as serving it to 1.
when that comes about the cost problems will disappear for open networks like tube sites.
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Yes, everyone in adult and mainstream is just plain clueless. The guys behind YouTube, Facebook, Myspace, Digg, and Twitter. Same with adult, all just plain clueless. Leaving all this money on the table. The guy who isn't talented enough to come up with creative ideas on his own is the one who knows how to save the entertainment industry.
Listen, I know free content benefits you. But it's absolutely absurd to act like giving everything away for free is the answer when it has rarely worked in the real world. If you worked on the side of business that had to create and come up with original ideas, you would see things differently. But you just ride on the coattails of other people's abilities.Last edited by pocketkangaroo; 04-06-2009, 02:09 PM.Comment
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who said anything about giving away everything
we are talking about the seemlessly intergrating the "piracy" into your marketing funnel so that it bring you money or new customers.
People will still buy from you if you create an USP that works even if your content is given away for free, in fact since piracy of your content is an advertising for that USP more people will buy from you.
That what i mean by clueless, you think it an all or nothing example, either you give away everything for free, or you sell everything which is not true.
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Free Porn has ALWAYS been the #1 marketing tactic in adult.
"Give a little for free and hope they sign up"
Now look where that has gotten us.
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Yes, everyone in adult and mainstream is just plain clueless. The guys behind YouTube, Facebook, Myspace, Digg, and Twitter. Same with adult, all just plain clueless. Leaving all this money on the table. The guy who isn't talented enough to come up with creative ideas on his own is the one who knows how to save the entertainment industry.
The problem is that most tube sites have someone upload the content and that person is usually the tube owner. They use the tube with the intent of stealing the studios money and time invested that it takes to produce a title for his own behalf... So there is a difference..They are all crooks and thats why they hide like motherfuckers
One thing I want to make clear.. I did not shoot the miltontwins while they were pregnant that was someone else.
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Free Porn has ALWAYS been the #1 marketing tactic in adult.
"Give a little for free and hope they sign up"
Now look where that has gotten us.
2,000,000,000,000,000 sites giving a little for free.
Someone gets it's...
Thats right.. First the custom banner and the free pic and then 12 free pics and then 15 free pics and then 20 free pics and then access to members areas and then 5 minute clips... For gods sake its time to stop trying to one up each other because now its all out of control..Now were all back peddeling
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Look, there?s no doubt the tubes and file shares are costing people sales. I think they hurt the most with the surfer that?s looking for your content (or a particular type of content) and is willing to pay for it, IF (and only if) they can?t find it on tubes and fileshare. You take away the tubes and file shares with this kind of surfer and that?s a conversion. However, if they weren?t looking for your content specifically, then there?s a high probability that you wouldn?t have gotten the sale anyways.
But there are different types of surfers. You have some surfers that will never pay for porn, period? end of story (been that way since the beginning). But there are some that will pay for porn, and still do despite tubes and everything else. You also have variations of everything else in between. And it seems to me like everyone always focuses on the surfer that is the LEAST likely to pay for anything, and then bitches and whines about how they have no chance at ever converting them because of tubes, file shares, etc.
Now I may be wrong. But it makes no sense to me to worry about the ones who refuse to buy anything. Why should I even waste my time trying to convert them? I?m sure I?d have a better chance at getting a gay guy laid in a room full of straight guys. While I?m at it, maybe I can convert some diehard Christians into atheists? The way I look at it? I want to put all my efforts into maximizing my sales and retention with those surfers who are most likely to buy from me. If we know how to reach those people and take good care of them, then there?s no reason why we should be worried about someone who was never a potential customer to begin with.
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Bravo. Finally someone gets it.Now I may be wrong. But it makes no sense to me to worry about the ones who refuse to buy anything. Why should I even waste my time trying to convert them? I?m sure I?d have a better chance at getting a gay guy laid in a room full of straight guys. While I?m at it, maybe I can convert some diehard Christians into atheists? The way I look at it? I want to put all my efforts into maximizing my sales and retention with those surfers who are most likely to buy from me. If we know how to reach those people and take good care of them, then there?s no reason why we should be worried about someone who was never a potential customer to begin with.
This piracy and tube debate has many sides. People always talk like these theives are going to convert to sales. They're not.
Just as I have said in other threads. Not a single RL person I know, or ask, knows how to use all these illegal or file sharing things. Other than tubes. Most posts I read on surfer forums and alike there are a core group of people who are against paying for ANYTHING. Software, music, porn, whatever.
These people are NEVER EVER going to buy ANYTHING.
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[QUOTE]But there are different types of surfers. You have some surfers that will never pay for porn, period… end of story (been that way since the beginning). But there are some that will pay for porn, and still do despite tubes and everything else. /QUOTE]
Yes but what was left out is this. In the past before tubes and tgps like today the guy who buys porn sometimes would do so because he never got free stuff worth anything much so we teased him into a membership. Then he downloaded content and would watch his downloads for a while until he got bored and then would buy something else. Now he does not have to pay or download just watch it stream full screen with the lastest flash players 20 minutes plus long clips from every stolen members areas. Like Red Tube started out doing.. Tube 8 also..
So you see the guy who was maybe or maybe not is just plain NOT.. Been selling memberships for over 10 years and everytime there was more givin to surfers the ratios went down.. Ask anyone with at least 10 years selling.. they will tell you the sameLast edited by Paolo; 04-06-2009, 09:08 PM.[Comment
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Seriously you are either trying to provoke a response or mislead people or very ignorant about advertising. People who come to see a Tube site video are not always in need of a dating site. People who search for Dating sites on Google are looking for Dating sites. What don't you understand.
I will pay you 50% of all the placement money you can get for me from Adult products and 80% of all the placement money you get from mainstream products. You talk like some one who has never tried this with adult. Stop comparing chickens and cows.the product placement /tv show relationship is an example of content being turned into a traffic source. when edward use blackberry in my own worst enemy it is a feature by feature advertising of the device.
Yes a huge difference you do not get.HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Like all the other laws were repealed. But good luck in finding someone who spent 100k defending a dead person.the second another dead person gets accused of stealing content, and his/her family has to spend 100k defending themselves against the bogus complaint. The law will get repealed.
Your answers show your lack of knowledge, but thanks for the opportunity to shoot you down and bump the thread.
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[QUOTE=Paolo;15714659]Yeah, ratios and sales are in the dumper. Summer is coming too.But there are different types of surfers. You have some surfers that will never pay for porn, period? end of story (been that way since the beginning). But there are some that will pay for porn, and still do despite tubes and everything else. /QUOTE]
Yes but what was left out is this. In the past before tubes and tgps like today the guy who buys porn sometimes would do so because he never got free stuff worth anything much so we teased him into a membership. Then he downloaded content and would watch his downloads for a while until he got bored and then would buy something else. Now he does not have to pay or download just watch it stream full screen with the lastest flash players 20 minutes plus long clips from every stolen members areas. Like Red Tube started out doing.. Tube 8 also..
So you see the guy who was maybe or maybe not is just plain NOT.. Been selling memberships for over 10 years and everytime there was more givin to surfers the ratios went down.. Ask anyone with at least 10 years selling.. they will tell you the same
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[QUOTE=Paolo;15714659]Sadly very true. We have gone from an industry that told everyone not to give out too much on a 20 image or 4 x 15 second video clip on a gallery. Into an industry where sponsors are willing to host 5 minute videos with a pop shot on a Tube that sells dating?So you see the guy who was maybe or maybe not is just plain NOT.. Been selling memberships for over 10 years and everytime there was more givin to surfers the ratios went down.. Ask anyone with at least 10 years selling.. they will tell you the same
If sponsors can't cross sell affiliates traffic off their sites why can affiliates cross sell using sponsors content? I know it was always done on TGP sites, but there we all supported each other. Here we support sites who support people who don't care if we close.
When an industry is controlled by people with falling productivity you know it's in trouble.
What happens when the Dating bubble bursts?
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go back and look at the minutes from the congress when that law was passed
the safe harbor provision of the DMCA was put in the law to act as balance to the new take down power of the DMCA.
Copyright holders were giving the ability to censor legitimate fair use like Parody/Commentary etc with a takedown request.
The safe harbor provision was designed to balance that with an immunity for the host.
IT was designed specifically to protect uploads (under fair use).
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Why don't we stop chasing streams of traffic that are harming the business when we should be ignoring them?
Why don't we hit those who support the people taking our traffic?
Why does this industry ignore the customers, the only ones who can solve this problem?
Why does the industry back short term solutions knowing it will lead to long term problems?
All of the above are easier than hiring a hit man or hacker.
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and what don't you understand about me saying that the current tube model is NOT turning content into a traffic source.
Currently no tube site is running under the content AS A TRAFFIC SOURCE.
I will pay you 50% of all the placement money you can get for me from Adult products and 80% of all the placement money you get from mainstream products. You talk like some one who has never tried this with adult. Stop comparing chickens and cows.
right you were the moron who tried to convince a sex toy company to give you dildos to use in videos targeted to MALE AUDIENCE because the that audience really in the market for purchasing dildos.
extend that to include branding bugs and
add 15% of the increased revenue from signup from leveraging branding bugs and you got a deal.
hit me up via icq.
already found them, the article i posted about the dead person being accused of stealing songs, his heirs had to spend money defending the estate against the claims of the Record association.Like all the other laws were repealed. But good luck in finding someone who spent 100k defending a dead person.
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Yes, I didn’t leave that out… I just couldn’t go into detail on every single type of surfer. I did say that there are variations of everything in between the buyers and non-buyers. But lets take your “maybe-maybe not” buyer scenario for a minute…
You’re talking about a guy that’s basically saying… I used to buy (on occasion), but the only reason I used to buy is because I could never get anything free that was worth a damn. Now thanks to tubes, I don’t have to buy ever again.
This guy shouldn’t be your ideal target buyer to begin with. He’s most likely not looking for anything special (just something free), which makes him a poor choice for a potential customer. He may be a fan of a particular niche (he may like big tits for example) but he doesn’t necessarily care whether he gets it from your site or anyone elses. Whatever site this guy lands on first that can sucker him into pulling out his wallet is the one who’s going to get the sale. And he’s most likely not going to be a repeat customer either… you get him once (if you're lucky) and then nobody gets him again for the next couple months.
The real question is what percentage of the overall market does this kind of surfer accounts for? And of equal importance is how much of YOUR overall sales is this type of surfer accounting for?
See, I know that there are surfers that buy porn, not because they can’t get any good stuff for free, but because they like a certain niche, site, girl, etc. And there were surfers like this in the past too.Last edited by Xxaru Media; 04-07-2009, 07:57 AM.ICQ: 392432948
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I have had the same customers signup many times for all the new sites i put out. I know this because i do data on who my customers are and where they signed up at..And he?s most likely not going to be a repeat customer either? you get him once (if you're lucky) and then nobody gets him again for the next couple months.
Now lets say a guy is smart enough to know that if he waits a few days the guys at tube8will already have my members stuff up on their site so he can save some easy money. Or maybe just do a google search and get a list of 10 tubes that have stolen content from everyone of my members sites on it.
Yesterday I have to call out www.spankwire.com.. They had every one of my sites members area videos.. Maybe like 200 of them on their site... I had to get with them and ask "what the fuck were you thinking of and take that shit down" They uploaded the stuff themselves so now their just theives.
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Dead on.
From what I see, and from my experience in adult, business, and just plain out life...if a person has the choice for the exact same thing to either pay for it or get it for free, Free wins everytime.
There absolutely is a way to market using a tube site. But only if I am given the ability to decide what I want out there and what I don't want out there. And yeah, I can make sales using long clips too.
What I can't do is sell a membership to a site that has the entire members area ripped and waiting for free on a torrent site.
But I did see something very interesting today.
I was looking at how Alexa has changed the design of their site. I looked up claudia-marie.com to see how we're doing on the alexa charts. I then clicked on the "Sites Linking In" link.
And pirate bay shows as linking in! I was like: "WTF?!?!?!"
Well, what happened was that on one of our old movies from 2007 that is stolen and offered up there for free...someone had posted a link back to claudia-marie.com in the "comments" spot on the page.
Holy shit! I never thought about spamming that! But I'm thinking about it now.
-Robbie
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