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  • CarlosTheGaucho
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    Barack Obama in Prague yesterday (PICS) and quialified commentary

    A couple pics from the visit of Barack Obama yesterday:



    Barack landing



    Barack with the most narcistic president in Europe



    Note the least attractive first lady worldwide since Nina Chruscev - Livia Klaus











    Last time anyone mobilized that many people to come into the streets was the Bolshevik revolution in 1948





    Of course there had to be some "green protests" going on.. I wonder how many of those people are educated in the energetic supply issues.



    No matter how colorful they type the name of the institution, a future of EU is rather grey..



    A couple people that are unemployed and also mentally limited manifested their skills by laying on the ground



    I sure hope next time they will show support to the "Halloween the movie", they'll at least check the spelling..

    Before 1989 they would get shot for this.



    A couple true, over aged communists and a lot of worthless people and potheads manifesting against the Radar, that should be built in Czech, most of them probably don't even know what NATO is..



    Wouldn't it be so complicated, I would try to pick up Michelle Obama, checking these pictures I just caught a jungle fever.. but with all the police and Barack keeping an eye on her..



    The biggest national traitor and a rather disaster for the post break Czech industry meeting up with Barack, he's a symbol of dissent and democracy abroad, mainly a symbol of economical fail at home



    Barack leaving to Ankara, I hope Turkey will be more cultured than Czech!
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    • Chit Chat
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      Great shots!

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        • DK
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          Wowo, fantastic pics!

          So does Prague love Obama too?
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              oh cool nice pics, i didnt knew he was here ... so late but nazdaarek pane obama!

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                • CarlosTheGaucho
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                  Originally posted by DK
                  Wowo, fantastic pics!

                  So does Prague love Obama too?
                  It was madness, I can't remember ANY politician or political movement EVER getting so much attention, excluding:

                  the declaration of independence in 1918

                  Abschluss, Hitler in 1939 ()

                  Bolsheviks taking over in 1948

                  the Soviet invasion in 1968 ()

                  and the break in 1989
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                    • who
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                      Another USA cock-sucking country

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                        • dr. Gonzo
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                          Commentary is truly qualified!
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                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                              Originally posted by who
                              Another USA cock-sucking country
                              At least they didn't forget to show the national legacy of alibism / sheep mentality and how to totally uneffectively protest while showcasing massive amount of ignorance
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                                  Shame about the stupid remarks.

                                  Europe welcomes the election of an intelligent left wing president on a wave of radical and anti war feeling after the Bush years.

                                  The problem is that if elections could change things they would be illegal.

                                  We see that although some good things are coming from the new president, the bombings and wars continue.

                                  The protesters are the people who have the balls to have their own voice and tell it how it is.
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                                    • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                      Originally posted by Cherry7
                                      Shame about the stupid remarks.

                                      Europe welcomes the election of an intelligent left wing president on a wave of radical and anti war feeling after the Bush years.

                                      The problem is that if elections could change things they would be illegal.

                                      We see that although some good things are coming from the new president, the bombings and wars continue.

                                      The protesters are the people who have the balls to have their own voice and tell it how it is.
                                      I appreciate every voice, some should be heard, most is just worthless babbling

                                      and 95 pct. of those "protesters" are people who live from welfare or students that live from their parent's money, well no wonder it looks rather like tragicomedy

                                      Those people have "protesting" as some kind of a sunday's amusement, while their daddy or THE social government will pay their bills
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                                        • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                          Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                          Commentary is truly qualified!
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                                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                              Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho


                                              I sure hope next time they will show support to the "Halloween the movie", they'll at least check the spelling..

                                              Before 1989 they would get shot for this.
                                              Btw.

                                              If 95 pct. of people are statistically ignorant

                                              without being able or even interested to learn something or try to think about the problematics of something such complex, such as the importance of another NATO defense system, strategically placed in the center of Europe

                                              Then if what they say is true - that only 70 pct. have fear from the dark, that it's actually a great result and the country is very cultured and educated.

                                              I hope the world will understand this too!
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                                                • dr. Gonzo
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                                                  Pardon, are you serious that the radar 'should' be placed? Why would Europe assist the States in building a defense system against Russian rockets? It's a fight of two war-mongering megalomaniac countries, reasonable people don't need to be involved.
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                                                    • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                      Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                      Pardon, are you serious that the radar 'should' be placed? Why would Europe assist the States in building a defense system against Russian rockets? It's a fight of two war-mongering megalomaniac countries, reasonable people don't need to be involved.
                                                      Not an easy answer,

                                                      Many can argue if this is needed, if it needs to be done, if we need more investment to the war systems, if it won't bring more tension between the NATO and Russia (and it will).

                                                      But they picked a side!

                                                      They joined NATO, they joined EU.

                                                      So what now?

                                                      Should they act as a part of the western sociopolitical movement or should they go the route of France, Poland or other countries that actually can't produce anything, but they sure as hell can "protest" and block everything as their national politics?

                                                      This is exactly an illustration why EU fails on all levels - there is not and will never be unity.

                                                      This is exactly why US is and will still be extremely important player on the world field - there is unity, there are moves, are they always right?

                                                      Of course not - check a certain recent affair in the middle East, that cost twice as much as Vietnam already.

                                                      But you can't try to operate anything and get any results, if your crew is full of cats and dogs that hassle among each other, instead of following the line.
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                                                        • dr. Gonzo
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                                                          Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                          They joined NATO, they joined EU.

                                                          So what now?
                                                          The only failure to achieve unity which bothers me is the failure of Europe to tell the States where to go with their corporate-controlled NATO and worldwide ambitions to plant rockets and military bases everywhere. What's the problem with EU? It's European Union, mind you, not the union of mindless US supporters. Why do you think it's in Czech interests to go into tension with Russia and possibly with all manner of islamists - just for being nice to the States? Some people just need to realize the world does not revolve around them.

                                                          There was a nice sticker in Prague metro about this thing, with a timeline of Czech history - Soviet soldiers left, US soldiers are coming. Same shit under a different flag. Smaller countries will always have to balance between the superpowers, but it is surely best to stay out of this hate-filled game all together.
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                                                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                              Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                              The only failure to achieve unity which bothers me is the failure of Europe to tell the States where to go with their corporate-controlled NATO and worldwide ambitions to plant rockets and military bases everywhere. What's the problem with EU?
                                                              Money / unity / national interests / things we'll heard about in 50 years from now

                                                              Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                              It's European Union, mind you, not the union of mindless US supporters. Why do you think it's in Czech interests to go into tension with Russia and possibly with all manner of islamists - just for being nice to the States? Some people just need to realize the world does not revolve around them.
                                                              OSN wouldn't exist without being financed by the US, NATO would have about half of it's power without US - it's actually very simple maths

                                                              Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                              There was a nice sticker in Prague metro about this thing, with a timeline of Czech history - Soviet soldiers left, US soldiers are coming. Same shit under a different flag. Smaller countries will always have to balance between the superpowers, but it is surely best to stay out of this hate-filled game all together.
                                                              Nah, they forgot they lost millions / probably billions of dollars annually in mutual business on burning bridges with the former RVHP countries, former RVHP countries didn't forget.

                                                              So now they don't have too much of a choice, they always got fucked in the ass (as for Czech) and they always will.

                                                              Obviously, from ideological reasons, you can't publicize anything that would be against the current - pseudo capitalism (more like corporate socialism with capitalistic elements here), so they will always paint the history strictly black and the presence to be gold.

                                                              Just for an illustration:

                                                              What's not spoken about, is that the real estate, energies, gas etc. mob in cooperation with the government made the prices so expensive these days,

                                                              that if you would like to live like a human on your own, single (say you want a rented flat, you want electricity, warm water and you make an AVERAGE salary) you would spend more than 50 pct. of the AVERAGE salary just as a fixed cost to have this, and you haven't eaten yet.

                                                              In fact - not even in the times of communism, when everyone had a flat or a house, a cottage, a car, free education, free healthcare and worked strictly 9-5 without having to be overly productive, was it at this level.
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                                                                  This huge Obama circus was 300 meters from my office, I rather left Prague for weekend...

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                                                                    • BlackCrayon
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                                                                      Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                      I appreciate every voice, some should be heard, most is just worthless babbling

                                                                      and 95 pct. of those "protesters" are people who live from welfare or students that live from their parent's money, well no wonder it looks rather like tragicomedy

                                                                      Those people have "protesting" as some kind of a sunday's amusement, while their daddy or THE social government will pay their bills
                                                                      Don't worry about her. You know you're right. Most protestors are there to simply be part of a scene they don't understand. Cherry, the poor fool, is a communist. While capitalism may have its failings, communism has never worked and will never work because people will always want to chance to succeed from their work, not just equality. Only welfare bums who never see any future beyond mininum wage would want that.
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                                                                        • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                          Don't worry about her. You know you're right. Most protestors are there to simply be part of a scene they don't understand. Cherry, the poor fool, is a communist. While capitalism may have its failings, communism has never worked and will never work because people will always want to chance to succeed from their work, not just equality. Only welfare bums who never see any future beyond mininum wage would want that.
                                                                          It's everyone's basic right to express his political opinion.

                                                                          But you're lucky to live in an environment, that at least praises real work and success as something positive.

                                                                          Sometimes, I wonder what is the ideal here these days,

                                                                          a bum?

                                                                          Or someone, that is bitching about his 9-5 job all the time, while having 4 weeks off every year, non working days, paid health insurance and social security..

                                                                          And I know for a fact that the socialistic nature of "work" never disappeared and that 99 pct. of these people are still only simulating work?

                                                                          This is constant here.

                                                                          The problem I have with this is:

                                                                          - that you can even see that in media,

                                                                          - they try to "relate" to these people,

                                                                          - they almost support this, as they don't want to loose these voters,

                                                                          - they are wasting tens / hundreds of millions of EUR on programs without any real agenda, to try to "integrate" minorities, where the main aspect about them being a minority is 95 pct. unemployement and it's a systemic problem of someone clearly misusing the welfare system

                                                                          - they praise mediocrity and sheep mentality over the responsibility for own well being, because that's how are people used to think after the communist era, and it never disappeared, and it's even encouraged again now.

                                                                          Add this all is happening under the observance of Brussels, that of course doesn't have any touch with the local reality, and thousands of government clerks are here just to manage the expectations of EU, and to report back to the world's Bureaucracy metropolis.
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                                                                            • cykoe6
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                              and 95 pct. of those "protesters" are people who live from welfare or students that live from their parent's money, well no wonder it looks rather like tragicomedy

                                                                              Those people have "protesting" as some kind of a sunday's amusement, while their daddy or THE social government will pay their bills
                                                                              Agreed. Those anarchist idiots don't deserve to be taken seriously. They propose no legitimate solutions or policies.... they only want to destroy the current order. A bunch of spoiled rich punks and drug addicts.
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                                                                                • cykoe6
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                                                                                  Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho

                                                                                  Barack with the most narcistic president in Europe
                                                                                  What do you have against Klaus? I am not Czech but as an outsider I admire his seemingly principled opposition to the anti-democratic nature of the EU bureaucracy and to the Marxist hysteria of the global warming alarmists. It seems to me that he is willing to say what the majority of the population in the EU believe but are afraid to express in the current political climate.
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                                                                                    • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                                      Originally posted by cykoe6
                                                                                      What do you have against Klaus? I am not Czech but as an outsider I admire his seemingly principled opposition to the anti-democratic nature of the EU bureaucracy and to the Marxist hysteria of the global warming alarmists. It seems to me that he is willing to say what the majority of the population in the EU believe but are afraid to express in the current political climate.
                                                                                      In fact, if I would have to admit, I kind of like him.

                                                                                      I attended one of his lectures as a college student, I even publically asked him a contraversial question and he publically answered to me - he's extremely educated, extremely smart, unfortunately, his sense for exhibitionism many times collides with the common sense.

                                                                                      And sometimes it's his own ego that fights him more than his opponents.

                                                                                      I mainly make fun out of the way he's always very particular about expressing his opinions etc.. it's probably kind of hard to translate.

                                                                                      But indeed, although I don't have to agree with everything I also find it somehow refreshing, that someone doesn't fear being a little bit contraversial in this extremely sterile and politically übercorrect climate these days.
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                                                                                        • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                          Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                          Pardon, are you serious that the radar 'should' be placed? Why would Europe assist the States in building a defense system against Russian rockets? It's a fight of two war-mongering megalomaniac countries, reasonable people don't need to be involved.
                                                                                          you're right. when the world stood back and let hitler and stalin do thier thing in Europe, the world instantly became a better place for it.

                                                                                          i'm with you. lets rebuild that damn wall!!! it doesn't affect others anyway right?

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                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                              Originally posted by dr. Gonzo

                                                                                              There was a nice sticker in Prague metro about this thing, with a timeline of Czech history - Soviet soldiers left, US soldiers are coming. Same shit under a different flag. Smaller countries will always have to balance between the superpowers, but it is surely best to stay out of this hate-filled game all together.
                                                                                              you're RIGHT!!! american soldiers are roaming the streets shooting people, terrorising people and forming new secret police agencies and puppet governments, as well speak all over europe.

                                                                                              i say bring back the Soviet Union so we can all know true peace and happiness once again.

                                                                                              Funny story by the way (i'm american, speak russian, lived in russia and have been to CZ many many times)... i took my car to the dealer to get worked on... took a cab home. The cab driver was a older Czech guy who actually designed and built fighter planes. He had nothing but fond memories of watching the soviet planes land at the airport and start shooting people at random... including some of his friends and family.


                                                                                              there is a simple fact of live that jackasses like you will never grasp... as a soviet diplomat once said "You may not want war... but war wants you"


                                                                                              you think you are "protesting" and "support peace" but the truth is that you are enabling the worst of man kind and you are allowing them to commit the worst atrocities. they are emboldened by your very attitude and know they can count on you to lay down and snitch on your neighbors, when the tanks roll in next time.

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                                                                                                • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays

                                                                                                  there is a simple fact of live that jackasses like you will never grasp... as a soviet diplomat once said "You may not want war... but war wants you"


                                                                                                  you think you are "protesting" and "support peace" but the truth is that you are enabling the worst of man kind and you are allowing them to commit the worst atrocities. they are emboldened by your very attitude and know they can count on you to lay down and snitch on your neighbors, when the tanks roll in next time.
                                                                                                  Very true,

                                                                                                  Well,

                                                                                                  the world evolved - not only that people are dumber than ever, that they lost any idea about what manners and respect mean.

                                                                                                  BUT in the age, when there's first time ever MORE OR LESS unrestricted access to information (mass media, internet, books, limited censorship) instead of trying to learn the necessary minimum about the history (and therefore presence)

                                                                                                  - they rather voluntarily choose to use internet spending hours and days chatting with a bunch of morons, that are limited about the same way, about the last episode of "friends".

                                                                                                  Thanks web 2.0., thanks global village, for the dictatorship of idiocy and ignorance.
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                                                                                                      Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                                                      Very true,

                                                                                                      Well,

                                                                                                      the world evolved - not only that people are dumber than ever, that they lost any idea about what manners and respect mean.

                                                                                                      BUT in the age, when there's first time ever MORE OR LESS unrestricted access to information (mass media, internet, books, limited censorship) instead of trying to learn the necessary minimum about the history (and therefore presence)

                                                                                                      - they rather voluntarily choose to use internet spending hours and days chatting with a bunch of morons, that are limited about the same way, about the last episode of "friends".

                                                                                                      Thanks web 2.0., thanks global village, for the dictatorship of idiocy and ignorance.
                                                                                                      My observation has always been that there is a very different attitude in Europe that Americans can't (will never) understand. Europe has a very different relationship with "power", "law", "personal rights and freedoms", "authority" and "security" than Americans do. Of course, Europe has a long and dark history of violence, oppression, conquering and being conquered so its perfectly understandable to become a part of culture.

                                                                                                      Forgetting all the ignorant stereotypes. People here generally look at law and authority as that "thing" that protects your property and rights. My observation has always been in Europe that its the opposite... that its "that thing" that oppresses you and takes away your rights. People here are far more trusting of power and authority than in Europe... and when i see all this stuff, it always feels to me to be an irrational protest against authority and power, rather than an event which actually addresses the issues in a rational and thoughtful manner.
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                                                                                                        • nation-x
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                                                                                                          It always strikes me that as an American it is always so interesting to me to hear the European perspective... it's something that the average American can't relate to until they hear it alot. Personally, I would like more substantive conversation like I read in this thread (minus the sarcasm from Pleasurepays). I do agree with the sentiment that Pleasurepays is trying to relate, however. It seems to me that since 1989 the Czech people have been moving more toward the west... and I don't think it's because they love the west so much... but they remember communist rule. Younger people do not remember it... so they protest... it's what young people do as a matter of searching for identity.

                                                                                                          I have been told by alot of different Czech people (and expatriated Russians living in The Czech Republic) that alot of you refer to Americans as "piggy eyed". What exactly does that description mean? Do you view Americans as stupid or just people with eyes like pigs?

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                                                                                                            • dr. Gonzo
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                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                              you're right. when the world stood back and let hitler and stalin do thier thing in Europe, the world instantly became a better place for it.
                                                                                                              Excuse me, but the 'thing' Stalin and Hitler did in Europe made plenty of American businessmen very rich. They felt completely okay earning money from both sides whatever was done to any European nation, so maybe we need a realistic viewpoint here?
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                                                                                                                • nation-x
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                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                  Excuse me, but the 'thing' Stalin and Hitler did in Europe made plenty of American businessmen very rich. They felt completely okay earning money from both sides whatever was done to any European nation, so maybe we need a realistic viewpoint here?
                                                                                                                  Oh snap! Someone who knows history... but keep in mind that these people were a small minority and in the end... we liberated Europe... or am I missing something there?

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                                                                                                                    • dr. Gonzo
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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                      you're RIGHT!!! american soldiers are roaming the streets shooting people, terrorising people and forming new secret police agencies and puppet governments, as well speak all over europe.
                                                                                                                      Sorry, I did not quite get your point, maybe there was too much emotional detail. Are you saying the US is better now because the Soviets shot people years ago? Yeah, you know, I'm aware of the fact politics has gotten way more subtle since then and it's really hard to find these things in the civilized world today (let's not count bombings of the former Yugoslavia, okay). There are tons of shit going on, on every level, and the fact that you don't know about them or they are masterfully depicted in the media, does not change their nature. It does not change the fact that the country is about to be used in the big game of the big guys, and the ones to be hurt here will be common people, just like they always were.
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                          Excuse me, but the 'thing' Stalin and Hitler did in Europe made plenty of American businessmen very rich. They felt completely okay earning money from both sides whatever was done to any European nation, so maybe we need a realistic viewpoint here?
                                                                                                                          what does that have to do with the basic notion that if you ignore the threats, they will go away. the rebuilding that happened AFTER WWII has ZERO connection to the events leading up to WWII and WWII and how Hitler actually built up a military against all treaties and then started lashing out at neighbors.

                                                                                                                          realistic perspective? irrational, evasive replies designed to deflect attention from solid points, have zero bearing on a "realistic" conversation.

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                                                                                                                                • dr. Gonzo
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                                                                  Oh snap! Someone who knows history... but keep in mind that these people were a small minority and in the end... we liberated Europe... or am I missing something there?
                                                                                                                                  Different viewpoints exist, do you mind sharing yours? Anyway, by the time you landed in Normandy, roughly 75 percent of the German troops and their allies were engaged in the Soviet-German front, which left the countries involved with millions killed. I don't suppose these millions are seen as liberators on the other side of the pond, huh
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                                                                                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                                      Sorry, I did not quite get your point, maybe there was too much emotional detail. Are you saying the US is better now because the Soviets shot people years ago? Yeah, you know, I'm aware of the fact politics has gotten way more subtle since then and it's really hard to find these things in the civilized world today (let's not count bombings of the former Yugoslavia, okay). There are tons of shit going on, on every level, and the fact that you don't know about them or they are masterfully depicted in the media, does not change their nature. It does not change the fact that the country is about to be used in the big game of the big guys, and the ones to be hurt here will be common people, just like they always were.
                                                                                                                                      right... that's fine. you feel your own nation is a pawn in a larger game between larger nations. i think that's a legitimate concern. However, the issue is about global security and threat deterrence and military advantage which provides that deterrence.

                                                                                                                                      but my point was that no solution, is not a solution. "fuck you guys" is not going to change the facts on the ground. chanting "leave us alone" isn't going to deter war, invasion or create a more favorable balance of power.

                                                                                                                                      neutrality is the same as saying "come and get us"... Switzerland remained more or less neutral during WWII simply because of the massive undertaking it would have been to take over that country given the massive network of mountain bunkers and caves and defensive systems they had. Everyone else that tried not to get involved, was forced to get involved on someone elses terms, not their own.

                                                                                                                                      "you may not want war... but war wants you" - that is the problem. national defense and security is a necessary part of life. its fine to say "We don't want you using us as a pawn in your stupid game" but that totally ignores your own history and that of the world and doesn't provide a solution to ensure the safety and security of your own nation.

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                                                                                                                                        • Nydahl
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                                                                          It always strikes me that as an American it is always so interesting to me to hear the European perspective... it's something that the average American can't relate to until they hear it alot. Personally, I would like more substantive conversation like I read in this thread (minus the sarcasm from Pleasurepays). I do agree with the sentiment that Pleasurepays is trying to relate, however. It seems to me that since 1989 the Czech people have been moving more toward the west... and I don't think it's because they love the west so much... but they remember communist rule. Younger people do not remember it... so they protest... it's what young people do as a matter of searching for identity.

                                                                                                                                          I have been told by alot of different Czech people (and expatriated Russians living in The Czech Republic) that alot of you refer to Americans as "piggy eyed". What exactly does that description mean? Do you view Americans as stupid or just people with eyes like pigs?
                                                                                                                                          The picture of US people is no good here - generaly. Specialy the last few years its getting worse I think - its that "police of the world " and sticking US nose to others people biz.Also there has been too many proofs that US public oppinion is run by propaganda recently that its hard to believe that USA is still a symbol of free country (and USA used to be a GOD of the free countries for us under red regime) - now it seems to be just nice international biz of US goverment - at least to me.
                                                                                                                                          I got lot of friends and also customers from USA and its like elsewhere - good people but bad people there too.

                                                                                                                                          Also I am not sure that "Carlosthegauco" comments are always true and matching the real situation here - specialy the statements about joining and being a part of EU and the radar equipment - thats really complicated issue.

                                                                                                                                          Regarding your expression "piggy eyed" - never heard of this - we don't use is it in our language - must be some Czech-russians mutation
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              the most interesting thing about global security is that the issues are basically long term issues and governments have to convince nations of short term thinkers.

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                                                                                                                                                • dr. Gonzo
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                  right... that's fine. you feel your own nation is a pawn in a larger game between larger nations. i think that's a legitimate concern. However, the issue is about global security and threat deterrence and military advantage which provides that deterrence.
                                                                                                                                                  I see, but essentially what you are saying is 'be on the US side, we got cookies, unlike the bad guys.' How is that? Why are you suggesting that for a small nation one side is better than the other? Would you treat the situation the same way if, let's imagine, the Czechs said, sorry, guys, Mr.Medvedev promised us this and that if we install his rocket base, so we're gonna do it? What makes you think the Czechs would be better off with the radar than without it, or maybe with some Russian stuff instead?
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                                                          I see, but essentially what you are saying is 'be on the US side, we got cookies, unlike the bad guys.' How is that? Why are you suggesting that for a small nation one side is better than the other? Would you treat the situation the same way if, let's imagine, the Czechs said, sorry, guys, Mr.Medvedev promised us this and that if we install his rocket base, so we're gonna do it? What makes you think the Czechs would be better off with the radar than without it, or maybe with some Russian stuff instead?
                                                                                                                                                          I haven't suggested you align yourselves with anyone. I'm not pro-US. I'm American and i think i live in a nation of pathetic retards and this nation has a cultural/identity crisis that is far worse than the economic issues we face.

                                                                                                                                                          i'm simply saying that life is not fair. the world is not fair and sometimes the only choice is to make the lessor of two shitty choices. whereas, not making a choice is just setting yourself up to be the victim of who might choose you... i.e. August 21, 1968.

                                                                                                                                                          the thing is, you're not saying "I think a better choice for CZ is to line up with Medvedev" (a guy who incidentally, Russians don't even consider to be president). you're just throwing out objections... not solutions or alternatives.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Nydahl
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                                                              I see, but essentially what you are saying is 'be on the US side, we got cookies, unlike the bad guys.' How is that? Why are you suggesting that for a small nation one side is better than the other? Would you treat the situation the same way if, let's imagine, the Czechs said, sorry, guys, Mr.Medvedev promised us this and that if we install his rocket base, so we're gonna do it? What makes you think the Czechs would be better off with the radar than without it, or maybe with some Russian stuff instead?
                                                                                                                                                              the problem is "taking the side" - we are small nation even with some potential.Czech used to be in the top 10 of highest economicly developded countries on planet in 1930 but we always needed a "strong brother".Now we are part of NATO so we should act like team players and say yes to radar. BUT there are very questionable doubts that radar is not NATO stuff - its more like the next step of US own system to control the US interests all around the world.
                                                                                                                                                              1 day some1 (united islamic world , maybe china that you owe money to or Russians trying to get their power back) decide to kick your US asses and I can't see any reason why we should be a part of it just because we got some damn radar here.

                                                                                                                                                              I would be most happy not to take any side but its not so easy I guess

                                                                                                                                                              True is that its politics and I don't understand the politics much + find it little bit comic - spend millions of US dollars just to pay all security arrangments of 1 president when there are millions of people suffering with hungry
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                                                                                                                                                                • nation-x
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dr. Gonzo
                                                                                                                                                                  Different viewpoints exist, do you mind sharing yours? Anyway, by the time you landed in Normandy, roughly 75 percent of the German troops and their allies were engaged in the Soviet-German front, which left the countries involved with millions killed. I don't suppose these millions are seen as liberators on the other side of the pond, huh
                                                                                                                                                                  As a matter of fact... yes they are viewed as liberators... and when I said we liberated europe... I didn't mean to say we did it by ourselves... however, I doubt that it could have been accomplished without our help. We lost alot of American lives in that fight too, you know. My basic point was that greedy war profiteers don't represent the majority of Americans... I also don't want to minimize the losses that the Soviets incurred... which dwarf what the US lost... they lost over 24 million people in WWII. In the end, we lost roughly the same amount of soldiers as civilians that died from Czechoslovakia.

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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      of course he gets a warm welcome. The Bush times are over and Europeans might start treating US leaders more seriously from now on. I doubt there will be anyone dumber than Bush over the next few decades...
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Nydahl
                                                                                                                                                                          The picture of US people is no good here - generaly. Specialy the last few years its getting worse I think - its that "police of the world " and sticking US nose to others people biz.Also there has been too many proofs that US public oppinion is run by propaganda recently that its hard to believe that USA is still a symbol of free country (and USA used to be a GOD of the free countries for us under red regime) - now it seems to be just nice international biz of US goverment - at least to me.
                                                                                                                                                                          I got lot of friends and also customers from USA and its like elsewhere - good people but bad people there too.
                                                                                                                                                                          I think that a great many Americans feel exactly like you do. The basic fact of the matter is that we don't really live in a democracy anymore. The only way you can really gain any real power in the US is if you are rich or have support of the rich.

                                                                                                                                                                          I think that Obama really is a different type of politician than we have seen in my lifetime... but ultimately, he won't be able to make huge changes because our government is in the stranglehold of corporations and the ultra wealthy. Furthermore, it has taken decades to do this damage... it won't be solved in 4 or 8 years. I only hope that we can repair some of it... because I have no doubt that the GOP will regain footing and reestablish their "peace through military might" agenda (which is basically global conquest with a title "The New World Order"). Just read the writings of Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld, William Kristol or any other neo-conservatives that have a stranglehold on the GOP and you will see what I say about them is true. They are imperialists in the clothing of world peace.

                                                                                                                                                                          The American people are not free... anyone that says that are fooling themselves. We are all slaves to the system... just like the movie "The Matrix". Our government represents the machines and the people they draw their power from are the living batteries that are held captive in their own minds. We are assaulted from all sides by propoganda... from everywhere... the foremost being mass media and religion. We are indoctrinated from birth. Some poeple might disagree with me... but that doesn't make it any less true. In my opinion, they are caught in slave mentality.

                                                                                                                                                                          My beliefs can be proven... if I start a group that produces literature and has meetings about how we are slaves... soon I will be watched by the FBI, harassed by local police, have news media bashing me as "militant" and on and on. The same thing will happen if I start an Atheist outreach.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Going there this weekend... Wonder if I will get a parade!
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Obama is just a pretty face and pretty words, he still stands for what the US has been for the last few decades. I am actually quite impressed that he and his minders have managed to convince all the idiots around the world that he stands for something different.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Nice photos..

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Joe Doe
                                                                                                                                                                                          Going there this weekend... Wonder if I will get a parade!
                                                                                                                                                                                          I am sure you get - after few speaches you make early morning in prague taverns
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • dr. Gonzo
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                                              I haven't suggested you align yourselves with anyone. I'm not pro-US. I'm American and i think i live in a nation of pathetic retards and this nation has a cultural/identity crisis that is far worse than the economic issues we face.

                                                                                                                                                                                              i'm simply saying that life is not fair. the world is not fair and sometimes the only choice is to make the lessor of two shitty choices. whereas, not making a choice is just setting yourself up to be the victim of who might choose you... i.e. August 21, 1968.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I doubt it's just as straightforward as that. It heavily reeks of populism, saying 'you either install this bleeding radar, or you are against us with the Enemy.' Thanks god I'm not a professional politician, but in the today's world, I feel there's some capacity for a small country to be part of some alliance and follow some direction, not sending its soldiers to someone else's war to die, and not placing extra targets to be bombed during someone else's war on its very own territory, at the same time. This might just be too idealistic, I can imagine that.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  The first lady is looking good in some of the pics

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      nice pics thanks

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