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No worries footsies, I wasn't upset just thought you were assuming a bit too much. I always enjoy your posts and I know you are knowledgeable guy from your posts, was only trying to share what I have seen happen.
I would be surprised though if any tube site that accepts user submitted content and that has large traffic didn't receive multiple DMCAs per week if not more. Let's just say one of those is sent to google per week. Delisting and reinclusion takes time usually at least a week or more. If someone was sending even one per week to google any large tube site would never have a chance to get reincluded in the index they would be constantly getting delisted and DMCA'd over and over again.
I'm not saying there aren't times when google does completely delist a site for stuff like this but I would seriously doubt that their policy is to automatically delist (the main url) anyone that receives a single DMCA.Last edited by tiger; 03-26-2009, 09:06 PM.
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except for that tricky fair use thing that automagically authorizes it use for such activity as timeshifting, backup and hopefully in the future access shifting.
again you can't licience way fair use if they couldAny DMCA is legal. Should any affiliate or program use clips in such a manner would be breaking the license, making it null and void.
counter suits like this one would not happen
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3777651
http://www.eff.org/cases/lenz-v-universal
and before you do the bullshit, sampling is obviously fair use, timeshifting isn't real dance you always do. The fact is there is no ladder of fair use, each is equally valid and has to be considered equally.
the irony is the more effective you prove this policy isWhile that is one of countless examples to blow gideon's hypotheticals out of the water. One is enough. We, as do many content providers, have licenses and limits to how content can be used. It is spelled out clearly urls, and uses, or limitations.
Now, once you are finished talking out of your ass, and making up hypotheticals that do not apply to any mistakes I am not going to be making in the future thanks to a license, good record keeping, and restrictions.....
carry on with your usual stirring up bullshit shtick.
the more reason that the tubes would have to fight back.
if everyone dmca a site out of google then they would have no choice but to start counter suing to keep their listings.
Funny thing is counter claim notice is only 1 page long too, send that in and the list has to be put back.
The only way you could deal with it then is to go to court and prove that the fair use right justification is bogus.
I am sure the judge would love your ni gg a please arguement
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that the point
BF is ignoring the fact that the counter notice is a 1 page form letter too.
If a tube site wants the listing back all they have to do if fill the form letter based on any of the fair use rights i have talked about.(with the relevant court cases quoted)
He would have to take them to court to discredit that application of fair use.
if anything this we are both scum effect makes it easier to defend your google ranking.
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Goddamn you are ignorant.except for that tricky fair use thing that automagically authorizes it use for such activity as timeshifting, backup and hopefully in the future access shifting.
again you can't licience way fair use if they could
counter suits like this one would not happen
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3777651
http://www.eff.org/cases/lenz-v-universal
and before you do the bullshit, sampling is obviously fair use, timeshifting isn't real dance you always do. The fact is there is no ladder of fair use, each is equally valid and has to be considered equally.
the irony is the more effective you prove this policy is
the more reason that the tubes would have to fight back.
if everyone dmca a site out of google then they would have no choice but to start counter suing to keep their listings.
Funny thing is counter claim notice is only 1 page long too, send that in and the list has to be put back.
The only way you could deal with it then is to go to court and prove that the fair use right justification is bogus.
I am sure the judge would love your ni gg a please arguement
Not one sentence in your reply has addressed anything I said. Your time shifting (i.e consumer use of backing up files on some internet cloud) has nothing to do with licensing of content to a company, and restrictions on how a client can use it (tubes, affiliates, distribution) as laid out by a license.
Learn to fucking read assclown.Last edited by Barefootsies; 03-27-2009, 07:39 AM.Comment
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Wrong again bitch.
Can you fucking READ the counter suit? You have to swear out the affidavit that you have some kind of OWNERSHIP. Not to mention, this thread is about illegal tube content.
So let me point out the usual gideon routine.
1. Thread is about illegal content and tube stealing that content. Gideon defends it.
2. Gideon will change course, saying he does not defend illegal content but a consumer can cloud/timeshift/blah blah blah.
3. Nothing to do with O.P.
4. Gideon, as in almost all of these similar types of threads, is proven a troll as usual. He enjoys twisting people's words, the O.P. and trying to stir up shit arguing consumer use of time shifting. However, the argument does not apply because content theft is not protected by any laws of any kind.
The end.Last edited by Barefootsies; 03-27-2009, 07:46 AM.Comment
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from googles own site regarding copyright take down requests
http://www.chillingeffects.org/fairuse/
http://www.google.com/dmca.html#counterWhen a copyright holder sues a user of the work for infringment, the user may argue in defense that the use was not infringement but "fair use." Under the fair use doctrine, it is not an infringement to use the copyrighted works of another in some circumstances, such as for commentary, criticism, news reporting, or educational use. The defense generally depends on a case-by-case judgment of the facts.
there is absolutely no requirement to prove or claim OWNERSHIP.
To expedite our ability to process your counter notification, please use the following format (including section numbers):
1. Identify the specific URLs or other unique identifying information of material that Google has removed or to which Google has disabled access.
2. Provide your name, address, telephone number, email address, and a statement that you consent to the jurisdiction of Federal District Court for the judicial district in which your address is located (or Santa Clara County, California if your address is outside of the United States), and that you will accept service of process from the person who provided notification under subsection (c)(1)(C) or an agent of such person.
3. Include the following statement: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I have a good faith belief that each search result, message, or other item of content identified above was removed or disabled as a result of a mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled, or that the material identified by the complainant has been removed or disabled at the URL identified and will no longer be shown."
4. Sign the paper.
5. Send the written communication to the following address:
Google, Inc.
Attn: Google Legal Support, DMCA Counter Notification
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043
the reason i keep repeating myself is because you keep spouting the same bullshit againSo let me point out the usual gideon routine.
1. Thread is about illegal content and tube stealing that content. Gideon defends it.
2. Gideon will change course, saying he does not defend illegal content but a consumer can cloud/timeshift/blah blah blah.
3. Nothing to do with O.P.
4. Gideon, as in almost all of these similar types of threads, is proven a troll as usual. He enjoys twisting people's words, the O.P. and trying to stir up shit arguing consumer use of time shifting. However, the argument does not apply because content theft is not protected by any laws of any kind.
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tube posting is not theft it copyright infringement
fair use trumps all copyright infringement
you don't have to own the content to use it (see fair use trumps all copyright infringement)
if you file a counter notice, with the reasoning (referenced court cases) the next step for you would be going to court and proving that those fair uses did not justify the act of publishing without your consent.
where your nig ga please bullshit
or deliberately misrepresenting the counter notice by claiming that you have to prove OWENERSHIP will not work.
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ok please explain how a member of one of your liciencees site- downloading the content from the members area
- and using the torrent site as a tool to backup the viewing right for future download
- or using a tube site to timeshifting his viewing rights to after the membership is cancelled
has absolutely nothing to do with fair use right of backup or timeshifting.
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The tubes would have a hard time proving "fair use" when they are stealing thousands of images over and over again.
Content owners have the advantage in court, and that is where they should go for relief.Comment
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a tube site is now 'time shifting' or a means for people to back up their content??
Truly priceless.Last edited by Barefootsies; 03-27-2009, 09:57 AM.Comment
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So once again, you are blown out of the water.3. Include the following statement: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I have a good faith belief that each search result, message, or other item of content identified above was removed or disabled as a result of a mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled, or that the material identified by the complainant has been removed or disabled at the URL identified and will no longer be shown."
Counter suit, to get re-included, means you removed the material.
I went ahead and underlined that for you, even though it is mentioned three times. Maybe you will actually READ it this time.
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Exactly right.
You have to love gideon's twisting of the words, and circumstances. Since he is not actually in this business, and does little more than troll this board spewing the same bullshit over and over in these threads. He has to twist all these discussions in a way that make him look like he has knows what he is talking about.
Kinda amusing when you think about it. But pathetic at the same time.
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Sounds like a plan. If you have read a single thread he's in. You have read them all.
Same paraphrased bullshit and links as the thousand times before. Same twisting of people's words, the O.P. and situations that have nothing to do with one another. Just so he can repeat the same shtick. All this from someone not even in this industry.
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No, I do not. If they did, you would see more people mentioning this in the past, across this board, in any number of a thousand tube posts other than me. I've obviously done it. Both sides of the issue to be exact in regards to Google, and DMCA'd according to the other tactics I have mentioned. I am not doing your GFY armchair quarterbacking of DMCA opinion.
When you have experience with the process, you come and let us know.
That said, they can be re-included (of you actually read the link that is) once they remove the offending, DMCA'd, material.
Unless you know what you are talking about in this regard, I prolly would keep the to myself.
No offense chief.
I dont think they remove the entire site, they remove the offending page. That is my experience when coming accross removed [pages when surfing anyway. It would not make sense to remove a whole site based on one infringing video.☻Comment
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I do not know what they do more recently. I know Perfect10 had main site's url removed. Not the subsequent. Not just main, as well as many others. You can still find it on certain pages.
That said, and more REALISTICALLY, when I have had to do DMCA's. 99% of the time, offenders just remove the content, and apologize. It is that simple. YouTube, Rapidshare, whatever.
Few times you have to go to hosts, processors, sponsors, law enforcement and the rest. Despite these endless threads on GFY battling wet paper bulls in the dark about what you will do, could do, gideon's bullshit. 99% are resolved with one notice, and it's over in my experience. I've talked to others at some of the shows, and the say the same. Occasionally there is some gideon gallery asshat, or Pirate Bay, but most simply comply because they know they are in the wrong and that is the end of it.Comment
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my god you have the reading and compenhension level of a 5 year old.
I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I have a good faith belief that each search result, message, or other item of content identified above was removed or disabled as a result of a mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled
this is what you do when you want to claim that the removal request is wrong
sort of exactly what lenz did in the lenz vs univeral case.
the second part (after the or) is the part you do if you backed down like a little bitch.
your absurd reading of the quote would mean they would have to remove the content EVEN if you had a fair use right to publish which would have resulted in a automagic win for universal. Guess what they lost that one.
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definition of a cloud (computing)
august 24, 2008 appeal court ruling establishing the right to timeshift using a cloud
it already has..
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You can't kill something people love.
I mean yah you can kill a person and they die and you can't bring them back.
But a tubesite is just a piece of software.Comment
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time for fake CJ tube sites.
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That has been true of every new type of free site in this business.
The driving force has always been the cost and availability of bandwidth.
Link lists gave away alot more content (10 pics per site) than pic posts (1 pic) and made less money on more traffic.
Then the link lists stopped allowing consoles on free sites, then they stopped allowing full page ads between the warning page and menu page, then they stopped allowing pics on html pages with advertising on them, then they required 20 pics per site. Then they limited the number of advertising links you could have on any page in your site in addition to requiring 20-30 pictures.
Then TGP's came along and required 6 pictures per page, but linked directly to the page with the thumbnails instead of forcing the surfer through 2 or 3 pages of advertising first.
Then 10 pics were required, then 15.
Then MGP's started giving away short movie clips. Then the movies were required to have sound. Then they were required to be a certain screen size and file size.
So in the regard of giving away more content and making less money on more traffic, tubes are no different than any of the sites I mentioned above....the reason they exist today is because bandwidth is $5/mbit and in the heyday of link lists it was $200/mbit.
At each stage of the game, a new set of people got rich, and a new set of people went broke. This one is no different.
I just wish I'd had this epiphany a year or 18 months ago instead of last month.sig too bigComment
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Lets get down to the facts people...
1. There has always been sharing and there will always be sharing!
2. None of you are going to stop it.
3. The Internet made you and Internet sharing is going to break you!
4. How can you survive? Create the highest quality content possible for your niche and watermark it. If it's good enough to attract tube viewers to your site you may make some sales. The industry is entering a survival of the fittest era.
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