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  • TheDynasty
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    • Apr 2016
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    #1

    Armed Deputy Didn't Act What do you think?

    So the big news is that the deputy was outside the school during the shooting and never went in to engage the killer.

    I think he could of been froze and not know what to do at the time. Shit happens when you are in shock and you can't move.

    If he were to of done his job and ran back in and killed the killer would there be as many deaths probably not. but whos to say anything they don't know what was going on in his mind.

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    • RedFred
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      • Feb 2016
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      #2
      Maybe he had bone spurs?

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        • Bladewire
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          • Aug 2003
          • 56228
          #3
          I think its better that he froze and did nothing than force himself to go in , in that shocked state, and accidently maim or kill students while trying to kill the shooter.

          He's going to live the rest of his life with the guilt that he did nothing while 17 children were murdered in Cold Blood.


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            • crockett
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              • May 2003
              • 76818
              #4
              They were saying it was like 4 mins, that's not a lot of time but it can also be an eternity. I think the way Commander Bone Spur us trashing the guy is pretty fucked, considering he was a multiple time draft dodger..

              It's easy to second guess someone after the fact, but that guy was expecting to go up aginst someone with a assault rifle while just having a pistol.

              Not to mention it could have been more than one guy he was up against. He had no idea what he was up against or how the shooter was positioned.

              It was always common that police waited for back up. It's only recently that they are pushing the charge right in mentally.
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                • TheDynasty
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                  • Apr 2016
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                  #5
                  we all know trump is a moron. someone needs to call bone spurs out.
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                    • blackmonsters
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                      #6
                      Pretty simple : He's required to confront the threat and he didn't so therefore he didn't do his job.

                      All the other stuff is speculation.
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                        • onwebcam
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                          • Oct 2005
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                          #7
                          4 deputies. No officer entered the school until the next county showed up
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                            • Bladewire
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                              • Aug 2003
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                              Pretty simple : He's required to confront the threat and he didn't so therefore he didn't do his job.

                              All the other stuff is speculation.
                              If he is in shock and not able to function properly then he is doing his job by not trying to pull a loaded weapon around students.

                              FYI I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. The guy was a fucking coward in that moment. But why? We might never know.


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                                • rayadp05
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                                  #9
                                  He should work at Burger King. If he didn't know what to do, or perhaps ...felt "scared" ....he should've never accepted the position as an armed security guard.

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                                    • onwebcam
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by rayadp05
                                      He should work at Burger King. If he didn't know what to do, or perhaps ...felt "scared" ....he should've never accepted the position as an armed security guard.
                                      He was a police officer/sherriff deputy
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                                        • TheDynasty
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                          He should work at Burger King. If he didn't know what to do, or perhaps ...felt "scared" ....he should've never accepted the position as an armed security guard.
                                          Right it is his job and he should of known what to do he was a cop for 30 some years etc etc etc.
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                                            • Grapesoda
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                                              • Jul 2003
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by TheDynasty
                                              So the big news is that the deputy was outside the school during the shooting and never went in to engage the killer.

                                              I think he could of been froze and not know what to do at the time. Shit happens when you are in shock and you can't move.

                                              If he were to of done his job and ran back in and killed the killer would there be as many deaths probably not. but whos to say anything they don't know what was going on in his mind.

                                              What do you guys think?
                                              that guy will never have another peaceful night of uninterrupted sleep. he would have been better off getting killed with the kids

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                                                • Bladewire
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                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 56228
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by TheDynasty
                                                  Right it is his job and he should of known what to do he was a cop for 30 some years etc etc etc.
                                                  We don't know how far away he was from the shooting he could have been on the other side of campus and not even heard the gunshots. He could have thought it was another fake drill like the one that just completed that same day. He could have had headphones on. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

                                                  They let him retire with full benefits, they didn't fire him and they haven't charged him with any crime yet, so there's something more to the story that we don't know.


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                                                    • pimpmaster9000
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                                                      #14
                                                      I'm the first to admit that I would not charge a ar15 with a pistol...most people here would not do it either...
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                                                        • Grapesoda
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                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 46238
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by RedFred
                                                          Maybe he had bone spurs?
                                                          lol!! bad hair day, the guy was locked up at the mirror

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                                                            • Grapesoda
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                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 46238
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                              Pretty simple : He's required to confront the threat and he didn't so therefore he didn't do his job.

                                                              All the other stuff is speculation.
                                                              1+2=3 you are gong to LOVE this:

                                                              all action is the result of motive and opportunity, all conversation is rationalization.

                                                              why in the fuck won't you send emails about locking down the schools then? you seem to have some view of reality....

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                                                                • Grapesoda
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                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                  • 46238
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                  We don't know how far away he was from the shooting he could have been on the other side of campus and not even heard the gunshots. He could have thought it was another fake drill like the one that just completed that same day. You could have had headphones on. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

                                                                  They let him retire with full benefits, they didn't fire him and they haven't charged him with any crime yet, so there's something more to the story that we don't know.
                                                                  you have NEVER played Devil's Advocate with any 'press release' on trump

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                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                      I'm the first to admit that I would not charge a ar15 with a pistol...most people here would not do it either...
                                                                      Me either; but I'd try to move to a position where I can at least locate where the
                                                                      shooter is and hope that I can get a shot at him.

                                                                      This guy did nothing.

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                                                                        • brassmonkey
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          all of you are talking shit like you would confront someone that could outgun you. he should have ran in there!!
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                                                                            • Grapesoda
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                              all of you are talking shit like you would confront someone that could outgun you. he should have ran in there!!
                                                                              better training then...

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                                                                                • Bladewire
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                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 56228
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                  all of you are talking shit like you would confront someone that could outgun you. he should have ran in there!!
                                                                                  He should have! It's not like the kid with the AR-15 was looking for the cop to hunt down the cop would be the Hunter and the kid with the AR-15 is The Hunted


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                                                                                    • EonBlue
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      This seems like a good place to put this:

                                                                                      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

                                                                                      4. What I stumbled upon was a Broward County law enforcement system in a state of conflict. The Broward County School Board and District Superintendent, entered into a political agreement with Broward County Law enforcement officials to stop arresting students for crimes.
                                                                                      Interesting read.

                                                                                      Could lead to some uncomfortable times ahead for some people.

                                                                                      Or it could just get buried because certain powerful people don't want any of it to come out.



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                                                                                        • SilentKnight
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                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                          • 24818
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          As ex-military myself - from what I've read so far on the deputy...it sounds like an act of cowardice. He was armed and wearing kevlar - he was in a position to do something. He did nothing.

                                                                                          His job was to put himself between the shooter and innocent lives. He failed to do that. He failed to make any sort of effort.

                                                                                          He failed to "serve and protect".

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                                                                                            • TheDynasty
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                              As ex-military myself - from what I've read so far on the deputy...it sounds like an act of cowardice. He was armed and wearing kevlar - he was in a position to do something. He did nothing.

                                                                                              His job was to put himself between the shooter and innocent lives. He failed to do that. He failed to make any sort of effort.

                                                                                              He failed to "serve and protect".
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                                                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Sadly SK. That's not really the case.

                                                                                                  He had no idea where the shooter was.

                                                                                                  Most likely he Is not trained in search techniques for buildings like this and most likely his kevlar was insufficient to stand up to that weapon.

                                                                                                  Had he gone in that would most likely have been another body to count.

                                                                                                  With the knowledge he had on hand. Position and number of shooters.

                                                                                                  Number of back up officers on the scene and or in route.

                                                                                                  His job becomes Secure a perimeter and wait for the swat team.
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                                                                                                    • onwebcam
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                      Sadly SK. That's not really the case.

                                                                                                      He had no idea where the shooter was.

                                                                                                      Most likely he Is not trained in search techniques for buildings like this and most likely his kevlar was insufficient to stand up to that weapon.

                                                                                                      Had he gone in that would most likely have been another body to count.

                                                                                                      With the knowledge he had on hand. Position and number of shooters.

                                                                                                      Number of back up officers on the scene and or in route.

                                                                                                      His job becomes Secure a perimeter and wait for the swat team.
                                                                                                      As if you can't tell which direction a gun shot is coming from. Not surprising that most on this board who lean towards the left are making excuses for him being a coward.
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                                                                                                        • bronco67
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                                                                                                          • Dec 2006
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Don't take a job like that if you know you're a little bitch.

                                                                                                          I'm not saying I could do it. But at least if I was unsure about how I'd react to confrontations involving bullets I wouldn't sign up for it.

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                                                                                                            • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                              • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                              Sadly SK. That's not really the case.

                                                                                                              He had no idea where the shooter was.

                                                                                                              Most likely he Is not trained in search techniques for buildings like this and most likely his kevlar was insufficient to stand up to that weapon.

                                                                                                              Had he gone in that would most likely have been another body to count.

                                                                                                              With the knowledge he had on hand. Position and number of shooters.

                                                                                                              Number of back up officers on the scene and or in route.

                                                                                                              His job becomes Secure a perimeter and wait for the swat team.
                                                                                                              "Secure a perimeter and wait for the cavalry" isn't an interpretation of "Serve and Protect".

                                                                                                              I can't spin cowardice the way you've attempted above.

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                                                                                                                • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by bronco67
                                                                                                                  Don't take a job like that if you know you're a little bitch.

                                                                                                                  I'm not saying I could do it. But at least if I was unsure about how I'd react to confrontations involving bullets I wouldn't sign up for it.

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                                                                                                                    • Bryan G
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                                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                      • 8338
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      But ya arming teachers is the solution. What a fucking retard you have as president. Christ
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                                                                                                                        • EonBlue
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                                                                                                                          • May 2007
                                                                                                                          • 3043
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Bryan G
                                                                                                                          But ya arming teachers is the solution. What a fucking retard you have as president. Christ
                                                                                                                          Not defending Trump but not sure you have a great argument here while we have Trudeau as a prime minister.



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                                                                                                                            • Rochard
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                              • 75733
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              I think everyone is calling this wrong.

                                                                                                                              The job of a lone security is not to actively hunt down and shot a gunman who is much better armed than he is. His job is to take up a defensive position, call for backups, and engage the shooter if possible. Four other officers showed up and did the same exact thing - took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the gunman was.

                                                                                                                              You all watch way too much TV. You all think a single "security guard" (who most likely couldn't make out to his mailbox without losing his breath) is going be able to walk in, quickly locate and close with the gunman, and take him out in a single shot. It just doesn't happen that way.
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                                                                                                                                • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bryan G
                                                                                                                                  But ya arming teachers is the solution. What a fucking retard you have as president. Christ
                                                                                                                                  Agreed. Arming teachers has to be among the most assinine things outta Trump's mouth so far.

                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                                                                  Not defending Trump but not sure you have a great argument here while we have Trudeau as a prime minister.



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                                                                                                                                    • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                      I think everyone is calling this wrong.

                                                                                                                                      The job of a lone security is not to actively hunt down and shot a gunman who is much better armed than he is. His job is to take up a defensive position, call for backups, and engage the shooter if possible. Four other officers showed up and did the same exact thing - took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the gunman was.

                                                                                                                                      You all watch way too much TV. You all think a single "security guard" (who most likely couldn't make out to his mailbox without losing his breath) is going be able to walk in, quickly locate and close with the gunman, and take him out in a single shot. It just doesn't happen that way.
                                                                                                                                      He was a sheriff's deputy, numbnuts.

                                                                                                                                      Not a mall security guard.

                                                                                                                                      And while you're at it - why don't you google Kevin Vickers, Sgt. at Arms - during the Parliament Hill shooting here in Canada. And tell me again how a lone officer can't handle a gunman.

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                                                                                                                                        • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                          He was a sheriff's deputy, numbnuts.

                                                                                                                                          Not a mall security guard.

                                                                                                                                          And while you're at it - why don't you google Kevin Vickers, Sgt. at Arms - during the Parliament Hill shooting here in Canada. And tell me again how a lone officer can't handle a gunman.
                                                                                                                                          I'm not saying a lone officer can't handle a gunman. Surely they can. However, odds are not in their favor. An officer shouldn't go rushing into a situation where they unaware of the tactical situation. Was there one shooter or four? Were they armed with handguns or assault weapons?

                                                                                                                                          From a tactical stand point, he did the right thing. He took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the shooter was, and then direct other officers onto the scene.
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                                                                                                                                            • EonBlue
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                                                                                                                                              • May 2007
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Instead of armed teachers what about something like this:

                                                                                                                                              Police departments are thinking about using drones armed with stun guns


                                                                                                                                              They could be activated by the sound of a gunshot and/or manually and could use sensors and AI to zero in on the target and fire at will or after manual instruction.

                                                                                                                                              I am sure the technology exists, or can be created, to make it work.



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                                                                                                                                                • tony286
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                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 57021
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                                                                  I'm the first to admit that I would not charge a ar15 with a pistol...most people here would not do it either...
                                                                                                                                                  But wait if you have any type of gun I though automatically you become james bond. He is 60 close retirement probably never under live fire, so he decided not to die on the job at day. I bet other 3 who showed up probably figured im not dying today either.
                                                                                                                                                  This idea people have because I shot paper targets in a controlled atmosphere , i will automatically jump to action correctly because I have a gun.you never know how someone will react until they are in it.

                                                                                                                                                  Also when one of armed for the protection of the kids by mistake shoots one of the kids in the head,in the middle of a crisis then what do you.

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                                                                                                                                                    • TheDynasty
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                                                                                      Instead of armed teachers what about something like this:

                                                                                                                                                      Police departments are thinking about using drones armed with stun guns


                                                                                                                                                      They could be activated by the sound of a gunshot and/or manually and could use sensors and AI to zero in on the target and fire at will or after manual instruction.

                                                                                                                                                      I am sure the technology exists, or can be created, to make it work.



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                                                                                                                                                      lol by the time the drone is off in the air 20 kids are dead.
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                                                                                                                                                        • tony286
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                                                                                          Instead of armed teachers what about something like this:

                                                                                                                                                          Police departments are thinking about using drones armed with stun guns


                                                                                                                                                          They could be activated by the sound of a gunshot and/or manually and could use sensors and AI to zero in on the target and fire at will or after manual instruction.

                                                                                                                                                          I am sure the technology exists, or can be created, to make it work.



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                                                                                                                                                          that i would agree with and no worry if its going wig out in the middle of a crisis.

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                                                                                                                                                            • EonBlue
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TheDynasty
                                                                                                                                                              lol by the time the drone is off in the air 20 kids are dead.
                                                                                                                                                              They would not be manually deployed. The would be mounted throughout the school and deploy on their own.

                                                                                                                                                              Besides, in this Florida shooting by the time police were called and responded 17 kids were dead. And that's only because he stopped shooting on his own. He could have kept shooting until he was actually confronted by police. The death toll could have been way higher.



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                                                                                                                                                                • crockett
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                                                                                                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Bryan G
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                                                                                                                                                                      Not defending Trump but not sure you have a great argument here while we have Trudeau as a prime minister.



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                                                                                                                                                                      Hate Trudeau, but what excatly is your point??
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                                                                                                                                                                        • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not saying a lone officer can't handle a gunman. Surely they can. However, odds are not in their favor. An officer shouldn't go rushing into a situation where they unaware of the tactical situation. Was there one shooter or four? Were they armed with handguns or assault weapons?

                                                                                                                                                                          From a tactical stand point, he did the right thing. He took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the shooter was, and then direct other officers onto the scene.
                                                                                                                                                                          17 kids would thank him for "doing the right thing".

                                                                                                                                                                          Except they're dead.






                                                                                                                                                                          "Defensive position" = cowering

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                                                                                                                                                                            • EonBlue
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Bryan G
                                                                                                                                                                              Hate Trudeau, but what excatly is your point??
                                                                                                                                                                              Just that we're probably not in any position to be criticizing the US for Trump while we have our retard in charge. But maybe that's just me. More of an observation really. Not trying to argue the point.



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                                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                                                                  17 kids would thank him for "doing the right thing".

                                                                                                                                                                                  Except they're dead.

                                                                                                                                                                                  "Defensive position" = cowering
                                                                                                                                                                                  No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

                                                                                                                                                                                  This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • onwebcam
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                      No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

                                                                                                                                                                                      This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Except the fact that it's stated even in your favorite news sources that he didn't act for 4-5 minutes WHILE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. In fact at least 3 other officers had shown up before anyone even went into the building.. Supposedly none of those 4 went into the building until AFTER Miami-Dade officers showed. You are just trying to sell it in your head Cruz unloaded a clip like a fucking machine gun, everyone was dead and it was over. He traveled multiple floors shooting people.... In fact 3 floors.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                          The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.
                                                                                                                                                                                          there is something far dangerous and it's not illegal for anyone to own in its deadly form. you just wait till people start using that...
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • DBS.US
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Lets take a look at the video
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DBS.US
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lets take a look at the video
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Speaking of video... I wonder if we will ever find out who changed the time on the cameras. They thought he was still in the building because of this change... Which is why he made it out.....
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Except the fact that it's stated even in your favorite news sources that he didn't act for 4-5 minutes WHILE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. In fact at least 3 other officers had shown up before anyone even went into the building.. Supposedly none of those 4 went into the building until AFTER Miami-Dade officers showed. You are just trying to sell it in your head Cruz unloaded a clip like a fucking machine gun, everyone was dead and it was over. He traveled multiple floors shooting people.... In fact 3 floors.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wait, I'm confused.. just the other day you were calling it all fake and all the victims were crisis actors.. Can you stop changing your stories.. pick a lie and stick with it..quit being a flip flopper..
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