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CCbill Visa Reg. Process and New Info

10-15-2002, 10:13 PM

I have returned from NY and have additional information from our Banks and Visa regarding the new IPSP rules.

We will be sending an email on Wednesday to all CCbill Clients regarding the Registration process, but due to the questions posted ealier I have posted this.

I will try to answer some of the basic question, with more details to follow in Wednesday email

1. The new IPSP rules are worldwide, and will be in effect in every Visa region on Nov 15th.

2. Visa stated that 80+% of all adult webmasters are located in the US. and they plan to enforce the Crossboarder issue vigorously on any US webmaster processing offshore.
(This means if you are a US webmaster you must process your transactions in a US bank. If you are French you need to process your transactions in a EU bank)

3. Visa expressed they are aware of claims from some of our competitors that they would be able to avoid New IPSP rules. Visa response this was absolutely not the case and these companies will be speaking with their acquiring banks shortly. In fact Visa was quite upset regarding this issue.

4. On Wednesday CCbill will be starting U.S. webmaster registration.

5. Registration Forms will be available late Wed. in your admin section.

6. U.S. Webmasters will be give a choice of deducting the $750 registration over 1 to 3 pay periods prior to Nov 15th.

7. The GOOD NEWS. CCbill will be offering a $750 Credit to current and New customers
Here is how it works. You still have to pay the $750 up front. CCbill will be refunding your processing fees on new transactions ONLY (not rebills) for the next 9 months. Once you have reached the $750 processing credit your normal processing fees will begin again on your new transactions. Bottom line, continue to send new transactions and CCbill will pay the fee.

7. Foreign Webmaster registration will begin on Oct 28th. in the Webmaster section

8. We are working with Visa on the exact reporting info and fees for the different Visa Regions.

9. We expect to be able to offer our foreign webmasters a solution in the EU region and Asia Pacific Regions. More details and Registration process will be available on the 28th

10. We will know more later this week with Canada. We now feel there is a 50/50 chance that we will also be able to offer Canadian Webmasters a solution.

This should answer most of the questions. If you have any others please feel free to post them

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10-15-2002, 10:18 PM

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3. Visa expressed they are aware of claims from some of our competitors that they would be able to avoid New IPSP rules. Visa response this was absolutely not the case and these companies will be speaking with their acquiring banks shortly. In fact Visa was quite upset regarding this issue.

hmm.

10. We will know more later this week with Canada. We now feel there is a 50/50 chance that we will also be able to offer Canadian Webmasters a solution.

interesting. i wonder if ibill has the same position.

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10-15-2002, 10:18 PM

7. The GOOD NEWS. CCbill will be offering a $750 Credit to current and New customers
Here is how it works. You still have to pay the $750 up front. CCbill will be refunding your processing fees on new transactions ONLY (not rebills) for the next 9 months. Once you have reached the $750 processing credit your normal processing fees will begin again on your new transactions. Bottom line, continue to send new transactions and CCbill will pay the fee.

I don't understand this - this is the move of a company that's afraid it's going to lose customers. Why would you fear this, since in the world according to the big 3, you've got us by the balls? "There's nowhere to run", etc?

I just plain don't understand this. And if you tell me it's because you're such good people, I'll laugh in your face. ;>

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10-15-2002, 10:19 PM

guess how long until Glo-Bill posts a statement about this?

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10-15-2002, 10:22 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:24 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:26 PM

Backov,

It seems obvious to me that CCBill is offering such a credit as a measure of good faith. Despite the fact that many of their webmasters are large and can easily afford the $750 fee, there are also a great many webmasters who are looking at this and deciding whether or not to keep their small paysites open. CCBill is obviously hoping to encourage these people to stick this out and keep their business open.

All of the 3rd party billing companies have been competing fiercely for webmaster business forever. I'm not at all surprised that they are inventing such a credit to encourage current and new business.

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10-15-2002, 10:28 PM

Word from Visa would be much more expected. This "he said, she said" bull shit is ridiculous.

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10-15-2002, 10:28 PM

who exactly qualifies as a US webmaster? must be resident of US? citizen of US? incorporated by a resident of the US?

Can you please explain this? The presence requirements are really vague

Also, I HIGHLY doubt that 80% of webmasters are from US. There's a TON of people from Europe and Canada.

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10-15-2002, 10:29 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:29 PM

Yikes:

3. Visa expressed they are aware of claims from some of our competitors that they would be able to avoid New IPSP rules. Visa response this was absolutely not the case and these companies will be speaking with their acquiring banks shortly. In fact Visa was quite upset regarding this issue.

There was a lot of talk on GFY about how other companies were going to skirt this issue. I can't wait to hear their response.....

And as for the statement that CCBill/IBill/Epoch has webmasters by the balls...... That's not true. You are free to take in money any way you can, including your own merchant account. Let me know how that works for you.

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10-15-2002, 10:30 PM

Ok, let me get this Clear

I have had Verotel since shoot 1997?98

I had CCbill since 1999?2000?

I have about equal rebills with Verotel and with CCbill!!

So what? I have to drop Verotel? Or register in the netherlands or Switzerland?

I guess I be up all night trying to call my overseas billers.

Geez here we go again

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10-15-2002, 10:32 PM

As a ccbill customer, it sounds very fair Ron. So far it sounds like CCBill and Jettis have come through with sharing the costs. Where's Epoch?

As for the claim that Visa is upset with other processors claiming there's no need for a Visa fee, I'm curious what GloBill and AC Pay have to say.

Please enlighten us...

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10-15-2002, 10:32 PM

Hmmm, I am not a gambling man...

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10-15-2002, 10:34 PM

you gotta love how one processor says one thing and then another says something else

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10-15-2002, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by RonC

7. Foreign Webmaster registration will begin on Oct 28th. in the Webmaster section

8. We are working with Visa on the exact reporting info and fees for the different Visa Regions.

9. We expect to be able to offer our foreign webmasters a solution in the EU region and Asia Pacific Regions. More details and Registration process will be available on the 28th

10. We will know more later this week with Canada. We now feel there is a 50/50 chance that we will also be able to offer Canadian Webmasters a solution.

Can foreign webmasters still establish a US company and be processed as a US webmaster????

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10-15-2002, 10:37 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by SinEmpire
Backov,

It seems obvious to me that CCBill is offering such a credit as a measure of good faith. Despite the fact that many of their webmasters are large and can easily afford the $750 fee, there are also a great many webmasters who are looking at this and deciding whether or not to keep their small paysites open. CCBill is obviously hoping to encourage these people to stick this out and keep their business open.

All of the 3rd party billing companies have been competing fiercely for webmaster business forever. I'm not at all surprised that they are inventing such a credit to encourage current and new business.

Brad

Fair enough, competition is well and good - but look at it this way.. The big 3 maintain that we pretty much HAVE to go with them, that Globill and the rest are out to lunch and death lurks that way.. So why the incentive to stay? As far as they're concerned, you basically have no options.. Why would a CCbill customer suddenly switch to Epoch or IBill for instance? CCBill is the shining light of God compared to those two.

Just seems out of place.

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10-15-2002, 10:38 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:40 PM

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10-15-2002, 10:45 PM

So what defines a US Webmaster? Ibill is saying we are ok with an LLC and tax ID, what is CCBill's interpretation?

Hopefully the Canadian thing will work out. Is this because there is a Canadian bank, or because Visa will overlook the rule for Canada because Visa Canada does not want the business?

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10-15-2002, 10:48 PM

steffie

The answer is yes you will need to have a EU company unless they have US banking relationships to settle your transactions.

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Believe what you want, the bottom line is most people that had any rebills at all would have had to pay the $750 anyway to continue. I would just call it Great Marketing since we have not dropped in new daily sales since this all started.

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10-15-2002, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by RonC
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Believe what you want, the bottom line is most people that had any rebills at all would have had to pay the $750 anyway to continue. I would just call it Great Marketing since we have not dropped in new daily sales since this all started.

Not trying to imply anything here, I just think it's weird, as you are exactly right - why would anyone switch? We're forking over the $750, as we have way too much money still tied up in CCBill..

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10-15-2002, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Hopefully the Canadian thing will work out. Is this because there is a Canadian bank, or because Visa will overlook the rule for Canada because Visa Canada does not want the business?

i'd love to hear an answer to this...

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10-15-2002, 10:56 PM

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It is because we are working with 3 different Canadian banks that are reconsidering their position. I will know more later this week
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10-15-2002, 10:58 PM

I would love to hear a solution for us canadian webmasters.

And would love to hear from the competitors who claim they are not affected by these new regs are gonna defend their position.

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10-15-2002, 10:59 PM

I am also worried about how having a non adult, non high risk merchant account thru moneris is gonna conflict with having a shitload of rebills in CCBill?

ahhh. Wish I had a lawyer who knew some solid facts.

Its good to see CCbill is at least attempting to find a solution.

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10-15-2002, 11:02 PM

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The only reason that I posted what I did is the continued theme over the last of "I would sure like to see something in writing on what Visa is saying about this" I do not wish to start a pissing war. I just feel that CCbill customers should be informed to the best of our ability with the information provided by the card associations. What each business man does with this information is their choice.

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10-15-2002, 11:03 PM

RonC - Can you answer any of the questions about what defines a US presence?

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10-15-2002, 11:07 PM

I do not have all the exact wording at home. We will be posting the exact US webmaster application on line on Wed afternoon. It will have all the details of what you need to be registered

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10-15-2002, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by RonC
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The only reason that I posted what I did is the continued theme over the last of "I would sure like to see something in writing on what Visa is saying about this" I do not wish to start a pissing war. I just feel that CCbill customers should be informed to the best of our ability with the information provided by the card associations. What each business man does with this information is their choice.

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Hey Ron. Actually, I am a client of CCbill and personally have generally been quite satisfied with the services I have recieved. I was not attempting to start a piss match with anyone, just honestly would like to hear the other side of the story

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10-15-2002, 11:09 PM

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Hey Ron. Actually, I am a client of CCbill and personally have generally been quite satisfied with the services I have recieved. I

Wow, how canadian does that sound? heh.

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10-15-2002, 11:13 PM

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When I posted that I was not even looking at your post)) But thank you for your business. I just figured before everyone flamed me to death. That is not what this post is about , it is about information for CCbill webmasters.
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10-15-2002, 11:24 PM

Great news Ron! Thanks!

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10-15-2002, 11:43 PM

hmmm,, I just called Europe!

They were quite helpful. I would suggest if you do have an overseas biller to call them and ask them directly. It's your money.

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10-15-2002, 11:59 PM

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Hmmm, I am not a gambling man...

So I dont like 50/50 odds...

This is a bitch of a problem....

I guarantee if you get your URL's registered with Visa with a USA LLC you will not be able to move them to take advantage of any Canadian solution down the road.

This means waiting it out to the last hour of the last day to do the registration in hopes of good news.

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10-16-2002, 12:00 AM

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This means waiting it out to the last hour of the last day to do the registration in hopes of good news.

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10-16-2002, 12:05 AM

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It is because we are working with 3 different Canadian banks that are reconsidering their position. I will know more later this week

Thanks for the advanced info Ron it is appreciated.

Just quick question, is this the same situation with the Australian region ?
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10-16-2002, 12:10 AM

Is it a necessary to open a US business bank account or US personal bank account for foreign webmasters?
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10-16-2002, 12:52 AM

Glad I have sat tight

CCbill worked it out. Going to pay Visa the blood money

Ron, sorry you are going to end up paying Visa but I knew the $750.00 wasnt going away. You know have another satisfied customer especially since you are going to take it in the ass from Visa instead of me.

Seriously, that is great news.

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10-16-2002, 01:43 AM

This is the first piece of good news on this issue for a while. And I'd much rather be with CCBill who are playing by the rules, rather than another processor who believe they can bend them.

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10-16-2002, 01:44 AM

I guess CCbill thinks it's no big deal to continue processing for webmasters in EU/ASIA since they have set the regstration date so close to the deadline?
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10-16-2002, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by shunga
This is the first piece of good news on this issue for a while. And I'd much rather be with CCBill who are playing by the rules, rather than another processor who believe they can bend them.

I feel the same way
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10-16-2002, 07:09 AM

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I guess CCbill thinks it's no big deal to continue processing for webmasters in EU/ASIA since they have set the regstration date so close to the deadline?

I wouldn't blame CCBill or any of the other credit card processing companies on this. Seems to me that Visa is still unable to answer CCBill's questions. I think Visa knows what it's doing here.

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10-16-2002, 07:09 AM

Thanks for the update Ron. Interesting.
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10-16-2002, 07:28 AM

Kick Ass Ron. Finally someone with answers Great Job!

I was wondering two things.

1. Will ccbill have a solution for the caribean region?

2. What are the requirements for foreign webmasters that register a US company. Is an LLC with no bank account good enough?

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10-16-2002, 07:42 AM

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Seems to me that Visa is still unable to answer CCBill's questions. I think Visa knows what it's doing here.

I don't think Visa knows even 75% what they are going to do.

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10-16-2002, 07:44 AM

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I don't think Visa knows even 75% what they are going to do.
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10-16-2002, 07:45 AM

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10-16-2002, 09:37 AM

As our name pops us once again, I feel compelled to respond.

Glo-Bill was in fact contacted by its banks and the powers that be due to distorted information sent out by certain of our competitors and other anonymous sources.

Due to all the mechanisms it put in place many months ago, including major changes to its business model, opening international corporations and international merchant solutions in every appropriate jurisdiction, *Glo-Bill has once again passed muster and has the gold seal of approval. All my previous posts on this subject still stand.*

I won't name any names but a number of our competitors have attempted to use our posts to this board to distort our position, as if we were thumbing our nose to the card associations or trying to "avoid" rules. Nothing could be further from the truth of course as we have gone overboard in order to work with, not against, all of the appropriate agencies. We have evidence where at least two of our competitors copied and then EDITED posts I made to this board and forwarded these distortions to various banks, to make it look like I was saying something very different than what I had said. In any case, based on the advice of other executives of Glo-Bill, I will no longer be posting details about our business model on this board. I would invite interested webmasters to simply email my staff directly.

It is business as usual at Glo-Bill.

Let's just say that there are many desparate companies out there who have chosen to play dirty pool against us. I liken them collectively to Willie E. Coyote. Every morning for the past several weeks they have gone to the ACME factory to pick up their blueprints. But time and time again, the anvil predictabley drops on their heads by the end of the day.

In that regard, I will sign off my last post with an appropriate tongue-in-cheek comment:

Meep. Meep.

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