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  • INever
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 4028

    #1771
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    How can most people afford to have a conversation with what customers want, then produce enough of it and still make a profit?

    Back in the old days, Suzie Randall produced one type of porn and those that liked it bought it. I produced another type of porn and those that liked it bought it. Today 99.5% of the people watching want free, so 99.5% choose free. That's 1 in every 200, so I'm very generous, we all know it's worse than that.
    Suzie Randall died? I saw a doc, Hot Models Wanted (?), where her daughter was struggling with the old formula. As much as I'm on your side Paul in not being a fan of "change"....it's not a one on one conversation....it's a twitter/facebook/etc. multi-conversation.
    What Adultium said.

    Anyway, the tide has turned culturally too.
    +99% see "porn" as having no value.
    You need to realize that MAYBE they are right!
    I love Camdough

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    • SpicyM
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2006
      • 4575

      #1772
      Originally posted by celandina
      It is very simple... We shoot in Prague for over 10 years.... And it is NOW almost impossible now to get good looking young models or sexy MILFS... Now most are overly tattooed, botoxed or ugly Bimbos... With NO sex appeal....God help this industry..

      Do you use agencies?
      no sig, sorry

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      • Bladewire
        StraightBro
        • Aug 2003
        • 56228

        #1773







        Skype: CallTomNow

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        • 2MuchMark
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Aug 2004
          • 50964

          #1774
          Originally posted by notinmybackyard
          The Internet is a black hole when it comes to content and it consumes it faster than it can be produced.
          Wrong thinking. The Internet makes it available to consumers (and possibly freeloaders).

          Originally posted by notinmybackyard
          Furthermore content can't be protected and the people that profit the most from it are the pirates themselves and they earning far more money than the producer.
          True, but this doesn't mean that you can't fight back. Let your customers know that there is only 1 legal source for your content. Let them know that illegal distribution hurts the models. If you find your content somewhere else, make a huge stink about it to the industry, complain to their payment processor, DMCA them and their host. Yes it can be alot of work, but you can streamline this.

          Just a suggestion.

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          • 2MuchMark
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Aug 2004
            • 50964

            #1775
            Originally posted by notinmybackyard

            In today's porn market there are 2 ways to produce a product.

            1. Super high end production values bordering on being an indie film (eg. Love 2015) or being considered "Art."

            2. Super low end shit that's no better than a train wreck.
            I would argue these points too. (Of course, you know me...)

            A super high-end production is a waste of money for any small company. It's just too much of a bet.

            You don't need to spend alot of money on a shoot because few porn consumers really give a shit. Most consumers are in love/lust with the model. Everything else is secondary.

            Of course, spend a little on things like cameras, lighting, makeup, locations, etc. And of course, make it sound good (most porn producers forget this step). A little coaching and a decent story / scenario is a nice plus.

            To wrap it up: Be conservative on with your production budget, but spend where necessary, then promote, promote, promote.


            Originally posted by notinmybackyard

            As for the morbidly obese women taking a shit... Tons and tons of people are curious about how someone that can't reach their ass manages to wipe it. All it's got to be is 20 mins per scene with 3 scenes on a thumb drive package. There won't even be any sex in it.
            First, that's disgusting.

            Next, ok, I'm sure there's people who want to see that kind of thing. But ask yourself this question: How many of those people, are willing to PAY to see that? I think most people would be terrified to have search terms like that show up in their history. Imagine if they get caught buying it on their credit cards?

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            • INever
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2005
              • 4028

              #1776
              Yep, and the old days of brown paper bags and raincoats worked because there wasn't CCTV everywhere.

              So damm, how do we get this shitty porn out to people anonymously?
              I love Camdough

              airvpn

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              • Bladewire
                StraightBro
                • Aug 2003
                • 56228

                #1777
                Originally posted by INever
                Yep, and the old days of brown paper bags and raincoats worked because there wasn't CCTV everywhere.

                So damm, how do we get this shitty porn out to people anonymously?


                Skype: CallTomNow

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                • notinmybackyard
                  Confirmed User
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 3230

                  #1778
                  Originally posted by celandina
                  It is very simple... We shoot in Prague for over 10 years.... And it is almost impossible now to get good looking young models or sexy MILFS... Now most are overly tattooed, botoxed or ugly Bimbos... With NO sex appeal....God help this industry..

                  If a anybody disagrees ...? Bring it on !
                  Yip....
                  I've got that problem plus Kool Aid colored hair.


                  Originally posted by 2MuchMark
                  Wrong thinking. The Internet makes it available to consumers (and possibly freeloaders).

                  True, but this doesn't mean that you can't fight back. Let your customers know that there is only 1 legal source for your content. Let them know that illegal distribution hurts the models. If you find your content somewhere else, make a huge stink about it to the industry, complain to their payment processor, DMCA them and their host. Yes it can be alot of work, but you can streamline this.

                  Just a suggestion.

                  Do you really think I haven't been down that road?

                  I changed the way I did business, where I distributed to and who I did business with. What I stopped doing what what everyone else was (is) doing and just focused on what needed to be for my situation.

                  The Internet has it's uses and I do use it for those things but "en total" it's shit. I also think that on some level you agree with me because you're not producing smut. Instead you're peddling software to people that have dreams about producing smut.
                  officially retired as of March 01 2018 but still fucking around and getting into shit.

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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #1779
                    Originally posted by Adultium
                    It is necessary to minimize the costs of maintaining the business, replacing all to platforms - hosting, distribution, billing, affiliate. As an excellent example patreon or manyvids.

                    Models communicate in social networks, write posts. They make stream on one service, and sell especially successful records with editing on other service and on the sly there decently begin to drip money.

                    As it was before will not be, and there is nothing bad in it. But most importantly, don't need to think that people are not willing to pay for porn. They are ready. Now people understand better what they need, so personal brands are sold more than faceless studios with faceless models. People are willing to pay to support someone they like. Of course, 1 in 200 will pay, but sorry, and 10 years ago the ratio of 1 to 1000 was considered quite good.
                    But social networks allow to have not 200 users, but 200 thousand. Mathematics is extrapolated directly to the scale.
                    You missed my point by a mile.



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                    PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #1780
                      Originally posted by INever
                      Suzie Randall died? I saw a doc, Hot Models Wanted (?), where her daughter was struggling with the old formula. As much as I'm on your side Paul in not being a fan of "change"....it's not a one on one conversation....it's a twitter/facebook/etc. multi-conversation.
                      What Adultium said.

                      Anyway, the tide has turned culturally too.
                      +99% see "porn" as having no value.
                      You need to realize that MAYBE they are right!
                      Imagine the porn internet getting all its ads banned. Then porn will have value again.



                      Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                      PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                      • Paul Markham
                        Too old to care
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 52942

                        #1781
                        Originally posted by 2MuchMark
                        Wrong thinking. The Internet makes it available to consumers (and possibly freeloaders).



                        True, but this doesn't mean that you can't fight back. Let your customers know that there is only 1 legal source for your content. Let them know that illegal distribution hurts the models. If you find your content somewhere else, make a huge stink about it to the industry, complain to their payment processor, DMCA them and their host. Yes it can be alot of work, but you can streamline this.

                        Just a suggestion.
                        Do you really believe your content is that special people care about finding just yours?

                        Major porn companies convert 1-30,000 views off tubes. That's 29,999 getting off for free. Ad traffic is cheap as shit and the price proves that.

                        And there are 100,000s of videos on major Tubes that satisfy.



                        Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                        PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                        • Bladewire
                          StraightBro
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 56228

                          #1782
                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                          Do you really believe your content is that special people care about finding just yours?

                          Major porn companies convert 1-30,000 views off tubes. That's 29,999 getting off for free. Ad traffic is cheap as shit and the price proves that.

                          And there are 100,000s of videos on major Tubes that satisfy.
                          No offense Paul but you don't get this particular aspect of internet porn consumers.

                          For 20 years I've relied solely on my income is a pornographer to this day it's all that I do and I live a great life style. You could do it again too Paul I would help you if you want to.


                          Skype: CallTomNow

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                          • 2MuchMark
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 50964

                            #1783
                            Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                            I also think that on some level you agree with me
                            Actually no, I'm not agreeing with you.

                            Paul Markham's original post says it's harder to shoot porn now. In your post located here you complain about super high-end production requirements as the only way to produce content.

                            I would argue that today it is easier than ever. Nudity and Porn is alot more acceptable than it was only a few years ago. The cost of good hardware has dropped like crazy. You can shoot high resolution photos and videos for a tenth of the cost as it was in 2008. You have all kinds of powerful editing tools at your fingertips now. Even better, you have instant distribution, instant access to marketing, instant ability to charge your customers for the content.




                            Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                            because you're not producing smut.
                            I used to, but I got bored and quite honestly was even a little uncomfortable with it. I sold that part of my business a long time ago to concentrate on the technology side of things because that is what I really like, allowed me to work from home and spare the commute, etc.


                            Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                            Instead you're peddling software to people that have dreams about producing smut.
                            Wow, are you ever bitter!

                            Sorry dude but I'm not going to hold your hand if you're having a bad day. What I will tell you though, is that you are absolutely surrounded by opportunity. You have the talent, the models, the hardware, software and the industry community *right in front of you*. Everyone else here is taking advantage of this except you.

                            PS I'm still waiting to meet up with you for some top shelf whiskey.

                            Cheers.

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                            • notinmybackyard
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 3230

                              #1784
                              Originally posted by 2MuchMark
                              Sorry dude but I'm not going to hold your hand if you're having a bad day. What I will tell you though, is that you are absolutely surrounded by opportunity. You have the talent, the models, the hardware, software and the industry community *right in front of you*. Everyone else here is taking advantage of this except you.

                              PS I'm still waiting to meet up with you for some top shelf whiskey.

                              Cheers.
                              I've had good days and I've had bad days. Each and every single day you think you've found the solutions to your problem and the next week you find yourself going down a different road. When it's all said and done... It is what it is.

                              I'm retiring at the end of the month and my grand kid is taking over. Honestly I should have hung up my camera a very long time ago but I'm addicted to the game. "En Total" it's been a heck of a roller coaster ride and I'm already thinking about a writing book.

                              So let's see what we can about drinking some whiskey together after the snow melts.
                              officially retired as of March 01 2018 but still fucking around and getting into shit.

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                              • Bladewire
                                StraightBro
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 56228

                                #1785
                                ^^^ Anonymous alt-right fake nic they says he's been in the industry for decades with no links to any of his work or any of his sites and refuses to provide any when asked


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