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thats the fuck im talking about....
I tell girls all the time...
never turn down shoots... you may get some high paying ones and some low paying ones... but at the end of the week... three 2 hundred dollar shoots pays more than one 500 dollar shoot.....Comment
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first of all whores do NOT establish the rates. the producers do.... if no producer is willing to pay what the whore think's she's worth then she is having no work at the end of the day.... there not models.. there whores... a model walks on the catwalk.. whores prance around cock and take their clothes offThis whore says what she thinks and I don't give a shit what you think about it. Your posting is not defending content shooters, it is bitching about rates that you do not want to pay. Many content shooters have no issues with paying the talent their rates. What another content shooter pays a model is really none of your business. Isn't there a theater waiting for you?
UH YES IT DOES... do you get offended at the word whore? where I come from whore is a nice thing... I love whores.. I hate women....
Ive never had a whore complain.. in fact I get more call backs than I care to deal with... just cause I call whores a whore does not mean I don't like them... I just call them what they are.... whores....I think you missed part of what he said in another post.
"girls who take payment to take clothes off are whores... it's not a bad thing but it's just a fact of life..."
I will never understand why some people feel the need to call the women that work in adult whores. Does that make the men pimps? Hopefully the talent will remember to not work with those people. When they have a shortage of whores, then they will watch how they behave. People say talent is a dime a dozen, so are content shooters.
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But if she's got a name...
or a look that's obviously better.. doesn't she deserve more?
30 year old skank covered in tattoos with her nipples showing where her implant scars are.... should get less than 20 year old girl, no tattoos, no meth face, no cellulite..
30 year old skank should get 250-500 maybe...
But the possibility of 20 year old girl who is built and looks nice becoming a big name... and not being "tainted" should garner her more..
also if they're a googleable name... she should demand more.
shouldn't their looks and name dictate what they get paid?
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OMG, I am a content producer and this thread is fucking ridiculous! So for example, Tera Patrick as opposed to some model off of CL should get paid the same thing? Stupid!
Not to mention, girls that have name recognition, top tier models, etc. Would Danni Ashe shoot a 2-300 oral scene, no, she would laugh at you and have her hubby beat your ass, most likely.
And WTF is this nonsense about whores? This is probably why mid to top tier models do not work with producers like this. And YES, geniuses, they DO talk and network and usually do not work with assholes, or creepy fucks.
Do you really think that there are no talent only boards out there, where talent discusses both good and horrible shoots, who to work with, who not to work with, etc.?!? BTW, they don't really give a shit about what a producer states about who to and not to work with. They know you for 4-5 hours max. You are rent or going out money, usually, no more, no less.
What a stupid and short sided view.
Not to mention that being a cheapass automatically puts you into that category and you will most likely never get to book her again and she will also never reference her girlfriends for you, hook you up on Biz shit, etc.
Being a producer and being professional, courteous and not trying to fuck them whenever you see them works wonders, actually
Very suprised this shit is 2 pages long as well, as much as suprised that some of you have been in the Biz as much as some of you claim to be...
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And maybe you're just expecting every girl to be a flake and loser...
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I pay $100-$300 for bjs. $500 for a bj it would need to be Jenna Jameson.Comment
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your an idiot...OMG, I am a content producer and this thread is fucking ridiculous! So for example, Tera Patrick as opposed to some model off of CL should get paid the same thing? Stupid!
Not to mention, girls that have name recognition, top tier models, etc. Would Danni Ashe shoot a 2-300 oral scene, no, she would laugh at you and have her hubby beat your ass, most likely.
And WTF is this nonsense about whores? This is probably why mid to top tier models do not work with producers like this. And YES, geniuses, they DO talk and network and usually do not work with assholes, or creepy fucks.
Do you really think that there are no talent only boards out there, where talent discusses both good and horrible shoots, who to work with, who not to work with, etc.?!? BTW, they don't really give a shit about what a producer states about who to and not to work with. They know you for 4-5 hours max. You are rent or going out money, usually, no more, no less.
What a stupid and short sided view.
Not to mention that being a cheapass automatically puts you into that category and you will most likely never get to book her again and she will also never reference her girlfriends for you, hook you up on Biz shit, etc.
Being a producer and being professional, courteous and not trying to fuck them whenever you see them works wonders, actually
Very suprised this shit is 2 pages long as well, as much as suprised that some of you have been in the Biz as much as some of you claim to be...
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I film hardcore extreme content...
and show me one girl that I've shot that did not have a great time with me.... you don't know me or how I do my shoots.... I've NEVER had a complaint from a girl...
when you get a little more time in the biz you will learn....
Ive shot tons of girls that are huge now in fact ive discovered tons of girls who are huge now... and they always refer friends to me...'
and if you think that girls fucking the producers is not part of the industry then you have not been in the industry long enough...
I know HUGE producers that the only way the girls are getting work is to walk in and blow the head shit head...
as for the whores comment... again I am no white knight brother... I tell it like it is... they are all whores to me.. I'm married with a fam this is a business to me.... I'm not here to kiss a bitches ass unless it's on film and im cramming my tounge down her ass... and I tell you this... she WILL reciprocate....
now on to your comments of tera and danni...
I know danni very well... fact I did an interview with her.... I know her husband well... there would be no ass kicking involved there...
when you do some speaking on panels during avn.. when you shoot for some documentaries then come talk to me about what's right and wrong in the industry.... keep in mind this is still porno... were not selling bibles at a fucking bookstore..... 90% of the girls who shoot content come from molested homes another 8% from broken homes and 2% are just freaks... either way I will take em.... I don't judge I just call it how it is...
now find some talent that did not like working with me.... and ill send you a dollar....
fact ill give you 3 names right now that you can hit up and ask..
Lisa Sparxxx
Max Makita
Kayla Quinn
all good names all nominated for avn awards....
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I would go for that 100 bucks an hour...
I never keep the girls 3-4 hours though... they are in and out in hour and half tops...
most the time is spent laughing and having a good time... on camera time I got my shit down pat... if I wanted to I could bust a scene out in the time were on camera ... no cuts.. no re takes..Comment
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so thats funny... everyone thats posted in the thread that shoots content cept for one idiot and some other idiots agrees huh... 500 is way to much for a BJ scene....
oh and the whores in here that think they are worth it... so funnyComment
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Think about it for 10 seconds from the POV of those who can afford to spend $500 for a BJ scene. Not from the position of someone who can't afford it and clearly suffering.
Reasons.
High payers get the best models first, not always but often. Agents will send their newest and best to the highest payers.
A girl will cancel a $200 job to get a $500 job if it had to be done on the same day. So would you.
A lot of girls will quit the business after doing a few scenes and the family finding out what they're doing. This means high payers have girls that few to no one else has and even if she does more work they have a head start on the low payers. She also resents the guys who are not paying her well.
There are girls who simply will not work for a low payer. This reduces the pool of talent for low payers. Less girls, less good ones and more who are working thinking they're being ripped off. Not saying they are being ripped off I'm talking about what she thinks.
The porn business is not a club, it's a competition and if by paying more a producer gets better girls and probably produces better films and makes it harder for the rest of the business. Not always true but often true.
Your appeal for a ceiling on payment is useless. Those who do pay more will go on paying more and hurt those who do not.Last edited by Paul Markham; 03-18-2009, 12:26 AM.Comment
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Maybe this is an indication to why you can't afford to pay the higher money and having your content suffer.
People pick up on body vibes and attitudes, no matter how well you try to hide it, it's still there and the models pick up on it. Models will work better for a guy who thinks they are nice than a guy who thinks of them as a whore. No matter what is right or wrong about your description of a person having sex for money, it's what the model thinks of you that counts. She may well be a horrible person, but by treating her nicely you get a better scene, better relationship, better reputation and EARN MORE MONEY. Yes you have to be strict and make sure she understands who is in charge, but there are ways of doing this that will get her on your side and working with you.
Your attitude towards models through this thread, apart from calling them whores, shows a lot and must effect your relationship with them and the work.
I'm sure we've all worked for bosses who we thought were ass holes. And would prefer to work with someone who is more pleasant. And probably do a better job for them.Comment
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Think about it for 10 seconds from the POV of those who can afford to spend $500 for a BJ scene. Not from the position of someone who can't afford it and clearly suffering.
Reasons.
High payers get the best models first, not always but often. Agents will send their newest and best to the highest payers.
A girl will cancel a $200 job to get a $500 job if it had to be done on the same day. So would you.
A lot of girls will quit the business after doing a few scenes and the family finding out what they're doing. This means high payers have girls that few to no one else has and even if she does more work they have a head start on the low payers. She also resents the guys who are not paying her well.
There are girls who simply will not work for a low payer. This reduces the pool of talent for low payers. Less girls, less good ones and more who are working thinking they're being ripped off. Not saying they are being ripped off I'm talking about what she thinks.
The porn business is not a club, it's a competition and if by paying more a producer gets better girls and probably produces better films and makes it harder for the rest of the business. Not always true but often true.
Your appeal for a ceiling on payment is useless. Those who do pay more will go on paying more and hurt those who do not.
I'll keep it short and sweet...
First... How you feeling hope all is well with you.... good luck with your treatment.. I have recently done some male talent(ing) and have donated all my funds recived to pinkribbon.org long story but I have an aunt who is going through chemo as we speak... if you need anything let me know..... my contact info is in my sig I would love to have a convo with you anyways...
2nd.. I am not suffering one bit... I could pay a girl anything but why do it.. if you can them down who cares if they resent you.. chances are like you said.. out of the industry in a few months anyways.... so what do I care...
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3rd. Just cause you can afford a 500k house does it make sence to pay asking price? why not strike a deal... don't get me wrong I have no problem dropping a decent amount on a girl... but she is in for the weekend and will more than likley do a few scenes for me for a set price that we talk about earlier and both agree on.. she works a weekend in vegas makes decent money I get my scenes (if broken down) for a great price.. nothing wrong with being smart about it...
this thread is arguing one thing.. single scene rates.. a BJ scene for 500 dollars is just insane bottom line.... you know that I know that anyone with a brain knows that....
I have no problem with a girl making a few grand with me over a weekend....
and maybe it should be a club.. rather than a competition on who can waste the most money on a whore....
3rd. Ive seen producers pay oddles of cash way to much and still make shitty films...Last edited by DirtyDanza; 03-18-2009, 01:01 AM.Comment
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Like I told someone else in the thread.. find a girl ive shot that has complaints... you will not...
and I use and abuse them good.... I treat them very well on set... I treat them very well off set...
last night I just finished a scene for my new site.. not 5 min after the whore leaves the studio I get a call on my cell phone.. guess who ran out of gas... so then guess who was parked in behind her my partner stays with her and I walk to the gas station and buy her gas then fill it up and we follow her to the gas station again to make sure she fills up....
ive said it once ill say it again... saying whore is only a word... if you know me and my personality it means nothing... girls know what they do they know that sucking dick for dollar well... a whore... does not mean they are bad.. does not mean I am bad for calling them whore... I LOVE WHORES...
ive never once disrespected a "model" on the set nor after the scene... (unless you call me pissing in her mouth disrespectful although she knows way before hand whats going to happen)
girls always have fun with us...
my partner is a stand up comedian and has opened for some HUGE acts... girls are usually in tears laughing before the scene even starts...
should I be offended when he calls me Daisy Danza? no it's only words... Look at belladonna.. she loves being a dirty whore... this is hardcore porno.. it takes a special type of chick to shoot this shit....Comment
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So a guy who can afford to pay $500 for his own private movie is a fucktard. Can you explain why because I'm lost.
Other than it clearly fucks you up I see him as a guy who can afford to pay $500 for his own private movie.
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I've been shooting longer than anyone in this post so no comments about not knowing content shooting. The best want to stay at the top, so they pay the most to get the best. As has been said producers set the prices. Some set them high to keep themselves at the top and others lower down.
What we should be doing is realising some girls convert traffic a better than others and a lot better than banners, galleries, fancy design or any of the other webmaster tools we have. They have that look in their eye, not on every third site in their niche/style, give a lot more to a scene, appear to be going the extra yard to give the guy they are with and themselves more pleasure. This leads to a better conversion rate.
Yes a lot depends on the people skills of the shooter, he's the director, producer, casting director and a lot of other things. Describing girls who do porn as whores says a lot. And not something a good pornographer should be thinking.
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the best thing ive heard in this thread so far tonight....
was the middle paragraph... different girls convert ......
I'm not arguing the fact of how long you've been shooting I also have mucho respecto for you as well...
as for the guy paying that much.. it fucks with the girl.. and makes her think her rates are 500 now... I tell girls never turn down shootsComment
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you know what? i don't think we're all that different. we might have different view points but we're both stubborn. all i'm saying is this is the way shit is, you're gonna have to deal with it. if there's a steady demand willing to pay these girls twice your payment, they aren't gonna give a fuck what you have to say, and neither are the people who pay these prices. as long as these guys make a profit and are happy, you could jst have to deal with it. you might just have to pay this as going rate some day, deal with what you're dealt. if this is the way the market is for you right now, bitching about it is gong to solve nothing. that's what you deal with employing anyone, in any business...Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 03-18-2009, 01:17 AM.Comment
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Some guys pay a premium price for a reason - if you pay them more than they are worth they are much less likely to shoot for a bunch of other shooters/websites. When the next guy offers her 500 dollars, she will say 'well i get paid 1500 for that' - even though it's only one guy who paid her that she now thinks she's worth that and they aren't the brightest bulbs so many will turn down work.
Phil Flash did that with an amazing girl from Europe who visits the US from time to time - she will not shoot for anything less that Phil paid her now. And I know nobody who will pay her that. So Phil has an exclusive girl on his site that I know he has made his investment back many times over - so it was a smart move in her case to pay 4 or 5 times what is industry standard.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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I agree, the more you pay these girls... the worst it is! It gets in their head that everyone should pay that. A typically bj shoot is $100, less when I started
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I didn't have the time to read all of the replys here but $500 for an oral scene is fucking insane. Hell, I've always paid $50 for oral scenes and I have a fucking flood of girls coming in to shoot.Comment
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Hi Mutt, people here just don't see how it works in favor of the guy who can afford to pay top dollar. You nailed it.
To create a level playing field with models payments you have to convince the high payers that it's in the benefit to pay low. Good luck with that.
Saving a few hundred dollars on a model is not going to help at all. In fact it could harm them.Comment
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I can relate to where you are coming from but for someone such as myself who specializes in shooting very amateur girls....those particular types of girls are exclusive no matter how much or how little they get paid. 95% of the girls on my site were approached by myself in public locations so they have absolutely no experience with the adult industry whatsoever. No reason to pay top dollar to a bunch of amateur girls with no experience...but it works for me because that's the type of site that I specialize in running.Hi Mutt, people here just don't see how it works in favor of the guy who can afford to pay top dollar. You nailed it.
To create a level playing field with models payments you have to convince the high payers that it's in the benefit to pay low. Good luck with that.
Saving a few hundred dollars on a model is not going to help at all. In fact it could harm them.
Believe me, I can afford to pay big $$$ for models but I am not going to pay some random amateur girl $500 when she is just some amateur girl off the street.Comment
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Sooooo true.
I phoned the boss of Vivid over here in Europe and told him he was over paying the girls and it meant I had to pay the same to get the same models.
He just does not get it, he said he was going to pay the girls more.
I hear what you're saying as well. If you can find all the girls you need by walking up to them in the street and paying them $50 for a BJ then good on you. Never had that much luck. The girls here today know about porn and know what it pays. They don't hear about the $50 jobs, only the $500 ones.I can relate to where you are coming from but for someone such as myself who specializes in shooting very amateur girls....those particular types of girls are exclusive no matter how much or how little they get paid. 95% of the girls on my site were approached by myself in public locations so they have absolutely no experience with the adult industry whatsoever. No reason to pay top dollar to a bunch of amateur girls with no experience...but it works for me because that's the type of site that I specialize in running.
Believe me, I can afford to pay big $$$ for models but I am not going to pay some random amateur girl $500 when she is just some amateur girl off the street.
You must recruit in a very remote part of Florida.Last edited by Paul Markham; 03-18-2009, 05:10 AM.Comment
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Most of the girls that I shoot are from the Tampa area so it's not a very remote area at all. A few of the producers that I know (that shoot in the same area) pay around $100 for bj scenes....and there have been a few times when I have paid that amount too but on many occassions, the girls were fine with making $50 for participating in a very short and photo based bj scene. I think $100 is a fair rate to pay but anything over $200 for a 20 minute bj scene from a very amateur girl is too much in my opinion. But again, I am talking about amateur girls. Not girls that have established a well known name for themselves in the industry.Comment
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ahmmm.. craigslist adds do not constitute the cost levels of the industry..
i shoot in LA, and not even agent quote that high for a bj scene unless it is a "name" model like shyla stylez etc..
and btw most those models will not come on set just for a bj scene anyways."Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author UnknownComment
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People are DUMB.....they cry and whine about girls getting their asses kissed in la la land and getting those overinflated "LA" rates....well if your not in LA....tell them just that.....something is better then NOTHING...if they want to stick to their guns then they will end up with NOTHING!
there are always going to be guys overpaying.....unless you dimwits form a cartel (see OPEC)....you will never have that power........it would also be in your best interest to have something besides the FSC...to do your bidding on Capitol Hill....some type of PAC for fuck sakes.....porn makes BILLIONS of dollars per year but naturally everyone wants to be greedy and tightwad.....
suppose you could run a company into the ground get the govnt to help you X4 and still give away $$$ in bonus to people that have robbed the american taxpayer....
oh shit you can.....but you cheapos wont pony up the cash.........you selfish pricks....
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I think this is the part where someone says....
Supply and Demand?
that being said, who the fuck pays 500 for a blowjob scene? if she wants 500 bucks to suck pole, thats a polite way of saying 'I dont want to shoot with you...'"Youjizz: Henry, Thanks to you 1 in 150 people online at any given time are jerking off on my websites"
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chicks should pay me to have the honor of blowing meComment
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Actually, its mostly sugar (carbs)Originally posted by pornopete
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I?m not saying Jane is wrong?..but as they said in the last pres campaign?..something along the lines of you can put lipstick on a pig?..but its still?..a pig. In whatever way you sell your body you will be considered a WHORE by some?.that is the path the walk on and that is how they call it?..some girls get off on it?..so to each their own?.
Danza?.you have been around the block enough to know that even though you may think no one has any bad things to say of you?.they probably don?t??of course this is naturally just to your face?.models are like webmasters, producers, directors, etc?.they have their own clique?s some even have them within those clique?s??trust me?..I know you have heard of this one?..
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
So for fuck sake don?t think everyone LOVES and adores you?..chances are it maybe the other way around?.and in all business there are HATERS?..jealous people, old business partners, etc, etc??.NO ONE IN PORN COULD RUN FOR PRES AND GET THE ENTIRE POPULAR VOTE!
There are also no angels in porn either??the business was founded by the ?mob?.
Someone should really teach a class called porn 101?..of make a book ?being a pornographer for DUMMYS?!Comment
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We will write a girl tell her our g/g rate and she will either say great not my thing or I get some large amount for girl girl. I don't negotiate,I dont want someone who doesnt want to really be there. We say well we cant do that and if you ever change your mind let me know. We have had a bunch come back and the price was then ok. Also I will not pay crazy money for a shoot that takes 45 mins with paperwork.Comment
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I have to disagree, the mob is gone out of it. If they were tubes and piracy wouldnt exist. lol Its middle class kids from the suburbs. its not the same business.I worked in bricks and mortar adult for a long time. The owners I worked for ran their businesses with integrity. I think for some porn is the excuse that is used for being a scumbag. That same person would be a scumbag if they owned a flower shop .Last edited by tony286; 03-18-2009, 06:34 PM.Comment
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Now Danza Ive heard very nice things about you. Is use of the word whore over and over part of the dirty danza personna?Comment
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. Unless she is Terra Patrick then ..... 35k+ for shoot 
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