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  • The Adult Broker
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    • Dec 2004
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    6 teachers at my kids school just got pink slips :(

    the school year isn't even over and already the new education cutbacks begin and the meltdown continues.

    families at our school have donated over $36,000 dollars so far this year just to help support all the things the school needs and donate so much time to help. We need teachers the most--we feel like we are drowning in the fight.


    fuck Arnold

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    • Reak AGV
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      Parents/donations need to keep a school alive nowadays? Sad world we live in.

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        • fuzzylogic
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          what state u in?

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              That's awful. That used to be a safe job.

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                • pornocruto
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                    • grumpy
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                      Originally posted by fuzzylogic
                      what state u in?
                      he said, fuck arnold, so i guess California
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                        • fuzzylogic
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                          Originally posted by grumpy
                          he said, fuck arnold, so i guess California
                          oh ya lol

                          in vegas rumor has it there will be a 6% salary decrease for teachers and/or a loss of some positions.

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                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                              Don't blame Arnold, he's a homie from Austria.

                              But I promise that once I'll be the governor of California I'll fix it.

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                                • kane
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                                  It is sad. A friend of mine has a daughter in 7th grade. About 5 years ago that school got a new superintendent and when he took over it was always on the verge of closing because of budget problems. He has done a good job and now has about 4 million dollars in a "rainy day fund" for the school. The problem is that most of the upkeep and stuff on the building has had to be neglected to save that money. So the option is that the kids can either go to a school that looks like a dump and uses older text books or they can have a school that could shut down at any time for any amount of time due to lack of funding.

                                  The thing that pisses me off the most is that the district that this school is in has 12 different administrators each making over 150K a year and half of them have a less than 50% attendance records to the school board meetings. They are getting paid a very nice salary and don't even bother to show up for work half the time.

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                                    • notoldschool
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                                      Its all Obama's fault. If only Mccain was in office our schools would be filled with well paid teachers.
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                                        • NoWhErE
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by notoldschool
                                          Its all Obama's fault. If only Mccain was in office our schools would be filled with well paid teachers.
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                                            • cherrylula
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                                              #12
                                              there are always alternatives to public education...

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                                                • HorseShit
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                                                  everything is fucked

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                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                      hahaha "Fuck Arnold"

                                                      i'm sure its all Arnolds fault that California has been bankrupt forever. you can't have all your retarded taxes to punish success and drive business out of California, have your social programs and feel good bullshit, allow illegals to flood in, offer them protection, free education, free medical care etc etc etc etc and not eventually run out of money.

                                                      California is the nations single largest financial fuck story.

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                                                        • Fletch XXX
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Reak AGV
                                                          Parents/donations need to keep a school alive nowadays? Sad world we live in.
                                                          Public school is not free

                                                          Always amazes me at those who cry "we dont need socialism in the US" - these are the same people abusing public school with their 6 kids.

                                                          Oh, wait, Sarah Palin sends her kids to public school but is antisocialism lol

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                                                            • Fletch XXX
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                                                              since we talking california also, i just read that 5 days of public school in california is a billion dollars lol

                                                              you think wed at least get them to speak english for that price

                                                              added: we have teacher in our family who left cali school to teach in Germany, he said its much nicer than the cesspool of multilanguage kids who refuse to speak english in Cali.
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                                                                • Vegas Ken
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                                                                  When will America wake up and understand the importance of education????????
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                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                      Originally posted by Vegas Ken
                                                                      When will America wake up and understand the importance of education????????
                                                                      you mean along with the importance of the other 10 million things we have to worry about?

                                                                      when will America wake up and realize that States have to stop spending like a drunk whore even in the best of times and start running states like actual businesses that have to stay solvent for the long term.. through good times and bad?????

                                                                      you can't demand the world from everyone in your own state capital and then be pissed when you get it all and find it all comes with major financial consequences.

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                                                                            • Matt 26z
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                                                                              If you don't like the cutbacks, then petition your community to put a school funding tax referendum on the next ballot.

                                                                              School funding comes from local tax dollars. The federal and state governments can only do so much. It really is in the hands of local taxpayers, but most places don't want to pay for a good school system.

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                                                                                • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                  Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                  It really is in the hands of local taxpayers, but most places don't want to pay for a good school system.
                                                                                  right, its easier to force home owners to pay tax on their home and fund other peoples kids.

                                                                                  Ive heard this argument since I was a child and watched my mom struggleas a single mother, to put me in Catholic school. She was married when I was conceived and born, but marriage didnt work. So my education fell on her... not other tax payers

                                                                                  She took out loans, worked weekends, all while paying forced taxes on her home to pay for OTHER PEOPLES kids to go to school.

                                                                                  the system is fucked for sure, when moms like mine have t suffer to send me to school, and has taxes places on her home to pay for public schools she never used, and juvenile detention centers for the kids who refuse to go to school, its insane formula for failure in my opinion.

                                                                                  I dont even have any kids, and when I see my home taxes going to juvenile jails and pub schools it makes my asshole pucker a little, no one helped my mom pay for my schooling, but everyone who owns a home pays for public school.
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                                                                                      Originally posted by jdavis
                                                                                      everything is fucked
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                                                                                        • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                          Sounds like my mom picked a good time to retire and my sister a bad time to start teaching.

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                                                                                            • The Adult Broker
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                                                                                              Originally posted by Sarah_MaxCash
                                                                                              Sounds like my mom picked a good time to retire and my sister a bad time to start teaching.
                                                                                              yea right? Well your sister is much needed. It just sucks -

                                                                                              and more pink slips on the way - including our asst. principal and even though we are in the top 5 of LA schools with parents who donate best we can, and protest the school board meetings, etc. -- we even made the local news on our protesting efforts.

                                                                                              can you imagine the schools who don't have parents that can stay to help and donate because they are working 12 hour shifts etc.

                                                                                              I am a single mother--
                                                                                              come to think of it, I work 12 hour shifts sometimes, but at least I can spread it out throughout the day and late night to talk with EU and such so I can to try and get some school hours in.


                                                                                              The whole assembly this morning from the Principal was to get donations, donations, donations from the community for our silent auction coming up to raise money for the school and donate to help build the library with more books and donate to the PE fund and asking for more volunteers to aid in classrooms (though parents already do every day.)

                                                                                              another round of letters of protest go out from parents to school board members this week.



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                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vegas Ken
                                                                                                  When will America wake up and understand the importance of education????????
                                                                                                  It's only for those who can afford to pay for it. The rest can go swing. Even the way they regard the teaching of English shows how many think. People in the US who don't speak English as their first language are going to find it tougher to get a job. And probably end up with a job that keeps them on the lowest rung.

                                                                                                  Americans often boast about being class less. Absolute BS, it's class based on earnings and breeding.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                  you mean along with the importance of the other 10 million things we have to worry about?

                                                                                                  when will America wake up and realize that States have to stop spending like a drunk whore even in the best of times and start running states like actual businesses that have to stay solvent for the long term.. through good times and bad?????

                                                                                                  you can't demand the world from everyone in your own state capital and then be pissed when you get it all and find it all comes with major financial consequences.
                                                                                                  Doesn't California have one of the largest economies in the world? A country that does not put education high on the list of priorities is going to be left behind.



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                                                                                                    • DrChango
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                                                                                                      Ah, the old saying "What if the Air Force had to hold a bake sale to buy more bombers?"

                                                                                                      AIG gets bailed out, but public schools do not. Bah, I'm moving to Zimbabwe where all I have to worry about are rebels and the occasional poisonous snake
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                                                                                                              They call it a recession/depression for a reason. It affects everything.
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                                                                                                                • TurboAngel
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                                                                                                                  One more reason I don't have kids, it's very sad and a huge injustices to the kids.


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                                                                                                                    • pornguy
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                                                                                                                      I have always found it funny that people bitch about the lack of a good education in the US, but they dont want to pay teachers for SHIT!
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                                                                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by The Adult Broker
                                                                                                                          fuck Arnold
                                                                                                                          Did you vote to oust Davis? Then vote for him to be governor?

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                                                                                                                            • BigDickDFromCincinnati
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                                                                                                                              That sucks. Of all the people to loose their jobs teachers!!!

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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  that sucks big time

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                                                                                                                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                                                      I have always found it funny that people bitch about the lack of a good education in the US, but they dont want to pay teachers for SHIT!
                                                                                                                                      who is this mysterious "they" that control the salary of our US Educators???


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                                                                                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                          who is this mysterious "they" that control the salary of our US Educators???

                                                                                                                                          Do you read what you post? Scroll up a little and you will see that you already said where the money comes from. Those people are the "they."

                                                                                                                                          When they vote against school bonds they are in control.

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                                                                                                                                            • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                              Do you read what you post? Scroll up a little and you will see that you already said where the money comes from. Those people are the "they."

                                                                                                                                              When they vote against school bonds they are in control.
                                                                                                                                              lol you mean they ask me how much teachers will make when i pay my home taxes? LOL

                                                                                                                                              if I controlled teacher salary Id pay them more, the guy above made it sound like Americans are sitting around demanding we pay teachers less, come on BD... you know what I meant.

                                                                                                                                              Americans are not sitting around wanting teachers to make less, lol
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                                                                                                                                                • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                  there are always alternatives to public education...
                                                                                                                                                  What are they? Private school is too expensive for 90% of the general public. Especially whne you have 2,3,4 kids. Home schooling is usually not an option as both parents (if the kids are lucky enough to have a two parent home) work. And even when there is someone home 95% of them do not have the education to provide adequate home schooling.
                                                                                                                                                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                                                      It's a good thing they can still go to school,much appreciation for the donating families

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                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                          What are they? Private school is too expensive for 90% of the general public. Especially whne you have 2,3,4 kids. Home schooling is usually not an option as both parents (if the kids are lucky enough to have a two parent home) work. And even when there is someone home 95% of them do not have the education to provide adequate home schooling.
                                                                                                                                                          so dont have a kid

                                                                                                                                                          the cost of education isnt too much, my single mom managed it. If you cannot afford to educate your child aside from public funds, maybe you should rethink breeding., imo

                                                                                                                                                          car notes cost more than school tuition, maybe dad doesnt need 3 jetskis and 3 SUVs gas guzzlers.

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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                              Americans are not sitting around wanting teachers to make less, lol
                                                                                                                                                              Should they just print the cash on the xerox machine? If Americans don't authorize the funds they are in control.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                  Should they just print the cash on the xerox machine? If Americans don't authorize the funds they are in control.
                                                                                                                                                                  they do when they want a war!

                                                                                                                                                                  you really reaching trying to make it sound like American get to vote on these things lol

                                                                                                                                                                  the bill comes, you pay your taxes on house and Lil Jhnny gets bus ride, we dont vote, there is no choice.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                                      so dont have a kid

                                                                                                                                                                      the cost of education isnt too much, my single mom managed it. If you cannot afford to educate your child aside from public funds, maybe you should rethink breeding., imo

                                                                                                                                                                      car notes cost more than school tuition, maybe dad doesnt need 3 jetskis and 3 SUVs gas guzzlers.
                                                                                                                                                                      Uh, I'm not speaking for myself but considering the average American income is less than $30,000 a year its simply not an option for most.
                                                                                                                                                                      you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                          What are they? Private school is too expensive for 90% of the general public. Especially whne you have 2,3,4 kids. Home schooling is usually not an option as both parents (if the kids are lucky enough to have a two parent home) work. And even when there is someone home 95% of them do not have the education to provide adequate home schooling.
                                                                                                                                                                          Private schools aren't as expensive as many people think they are, simply because there are all sorts of different types of private schools. Private schools are not just for rich "upper-class" people.

                                                                                                                                                                          Again I hate to bring up religious schools but I have to... for the most part, religious schools are very flexible on tuition's, particularly with large families. My parents have been divorced since I was six, both parents have pretty much worked blue collar jobs their entire lives and two of my brothers attended a good, private, Catholic high school. It isn't easy to afford... but my parents felt that a good education was worth sacrificing "other things" in life. It's all about priorities.
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                              Uh, I'm not speaking for myself but considering the average American income is less than $30,000 a year its simply not an option for most.
                                                                                                                                                                              Okay, you were just given two examples of situations where people were in tough times and still pulled it off. Priorities.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                                  Uh, I'm not speaking for myself but considering the average American income is less than $30,000 a year its simply not an option for most.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I read the average wage in the US is $16 per hour. The average household income (meaning 2 adults and 2 kids) is around 50K (pre tax of course) and the average cost of private school is between 5K-8K per year per kid.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So the average family would have to pay out 10-16K per kid per year. Obviously there might be cheaper options and better choices, but that is just the average.

                                                                                                                                                                                  It is a catch 22. If we want to continue to succeed as a nation we have to make education a priority. We are quickly moving from being a manufacturing based economy to being an information and technology based economy and most of those jobs require some kind of education. It is easy to argue that anyone who can't afford private school for their kids shouldn't have them, but if we stop having kids the country will fall behind as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So we need workers, but we also need education and figuring out who is going to pay for that is a rough question.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I do wonder though. If all the tax dollars that are spent on public education were given back to the tax payers and public schools were closed down would it cause the cost of private school to decrease and then would the combination of that lower cost of private school (more competition among private schools meaning better prices for parents) and the decreased tax load then make private school something that is affordable to the average person?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                                                      right, its easier to force home owners to pay tax on their home and fund other peoples kids.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I do not agree with funding schools through property taxes either, but I feel as though any meaningful change would be so radical that it wouldn't get done.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Ideally, all public school funding would come from the state or federal level and property owners would see their county tax bill cut in half. Parents would then not receive child tax credits. Instead they would pay more money if their child attends public schools, and those funds would be dispersed throughout the public system.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The only problem - and it is a big one - is who pays for the schooling when parents can't pay this bill? Should the bill possibly be handed off to the child to pay back as an adult?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • The Adult Broker
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                                                          Private schools aren't as expensive as many people think they are, simply because there are all sorts of different types of private schools. Private schools are not just for rich "upper-class" people.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Again I hate to bring up religious schools but I have to... for the most part, religious schools are very flexible on tuition's, particularly with large families. My parents have been divorced since I was six, both parents have pretty much worked blue collar jobs their entire lives and two of my brothers attended a good, private, Catholic high school. It isn't easy to afford... but my parents felt that a good education was worth sacrificing "other things" in life. It's all about priorities.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I pushed my way into a good preschool for her and paid for it.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I took her out of her kindergarten at another school because it was so horrible, they released my child to someone I didn't even know and got her back in the preschool so she could adapt again.

                                                                                                                                                                                          not this. And I have looked into private schools, not so much about the cost, which is high, but it is even fighting to get into these schools. The waiting lists and the first preferences such as siblings, friends of school, etc. get first option.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know what to make of your posts about your school age children's public school problems. Maybe things have changed over the years or maybe things are different in CA then they were in NY state when I went to high school back in the 80's. But I don't recall any of the parents being that involved or raising money for the school. They sent us off to school, and everything seemed to work. We had a principal, a vice principal, lots of teachers, school buses, classes, phsy ed, computers, school trips, school lunches and all the other things that most middle class high schools have.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Jim_Gunn; 03-16-2009, 02:05 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Doesn't California have one of the largest economies in the world? A country that does not put education high on the list of priorities is going to be left behind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      what does the size of its economy have to do with a bloated government, obscene spending and ridiculous taxes?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      they are bankrupt. you don't need to be big or small to be bankrupt. you just need to be irresponsible... that's pretty much the only requirement.



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