Twistys abusing ICANN policies and pushing people around?

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:23 AM

1,811 results for domains containing 'sextube.com'
http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=sextube.com

Karma's going to own your ass big someday Shap, and you'll deserve every bit of it. I really used to think you were alright, a pretty good guy. All these bitch moves you're making lately though, maybe it's who you always were or just who you've become. Whatever helps you sleep at night, Scrooge.

**Mr.Right - Banned For Life** · 03-02-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

Quick question why does it put him or anyone else in a bad light?

For me i thought the internet and adult internet was a business and that someone using a trademarked term to build a site on (since you seem to have a hard on for hardsextube.com lets use them) is in violation just like if you started fuckingplayboy.com or anything else baseing your site on a trademarked term. Not his fault they built a site on a trademark term should have researched it first, if I start bangbustube.com tomorrow i am guessing they will be coming for me at some point.

Just my

but I would have researched my domains first, then started sites.

Sorry, but if you don't see the difference in trademarks on Playboy and SexTube youre an idiot.

Let's be realistic here. Someone having hardsextube.com name in no way collides with your sextube.com site. You just want to take away some juicy names and you're hiding behind the "our lawyer did it" excuse.

Disgusting.

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by RageCash-Ben

He wont be letting anyone steal his domain.

No offense but how is it stealing? and you saying this is BS, if i registered domains under your site for instance like hardragecash.com you wouldnt come after me?

**cess** · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by PSSuperstars

But how many people have the money to fight someone who can nonchalantly say, ahead of the fact, "Hey we're just doing what our lawyers tell us to do?"

A common webmaster isn't going to have that money or growth.

You're right it's bullshit things can get through that shouldn't. I'm not blaming twistys here but anything that won't hold up in court for a trademark should never be able to be trademarked.

But it's not just trademarks, people get sued for all kinds of shit these days. You can sue someone for anything, no matter if they are guilty or not.

**fris** · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Shap

Do you believe someone should be allowed to start twistystube? How about pepsitube?

We are just following our lawyer's advice and protecting our investments.

hardsextube was created even before you had your name trade marked, you wont be getting the name, it has trademark in its own country.

Maybe it has to be the fact that hardsextube has way more traffic than sextube.

Whatever your laywer is telling you, it wont happen, ever.

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Mr.Right

Sorry, but if you don't see the difference in trademarks on Playboy and SexTube youre an idiot.

Let';s be realistic here. Someone having hardsextube.com name in no way collides on your sextube.com site. You just want to take away some juicy names and you're hiding the "our lawyer did it" excuse.

Disgusting.

Check the registration date of the trademark if you don't see it you are insane, and the value of the sextube trademark to me is worth as much as the playboy one. If you think it isn't you wouldnt be posting here.

**pornguy** · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

Quick question why does it put him or anyone else in a bad light?

For me i thought the internet and adult internet was a business and that someone using a trademarked term to build a site on (since you seem to have a hard on for hardsextube.com lets use them) is in violation just like if you started fuckingplayboy.com or anything else baseing your site on a trademarked term. Not his fault they built a site on a trademark term should have researched it first, if I start bangbustube.com tomorrow i am guessing they will be coming for me at some point.

Just my

but I would have researched my domains first, then started sites.

Actually Is someone started a site called Fuckingplayboy.com and it was totally ANTI playboy, then playboy could hate it all they would but would have to deal with it. Not totally sure how it works with monetizing the domain but http://paypalsucks.com/ has been around for years and is protected under freespeech.

**PSSuperstars** · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

of course wouldnt you if you had the trademark?

would you even ask that question if it was say midgetplayboy.com?

But Playboy is a trademark that is branded and well known..
Not someone trying to bully with keywords...

So you guys pretty much can go after anyone making any sort of fetish sex tube..

NOW.. I doubt it'd hold up in court... seriously doubt it... maybe a few years ago, but not now.

But no one in porn right now has your money or power... so they'd kinda give in.

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

Actually Is someone started a site called Fuckingplayboy.com and it was totally ANTI playboy, then playboy could hate it all they would but would have to deal with it. Not totally sure how it works with monetizing the domain but http://paypalsucks.com/ has been around for years and is protected under freespeech.

Actually paypal allows them to use the domain, if they wanted to they could take it, ask your lawyer.

**WarChild** · 03-02-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by fris

hardsextube was created even before you had your name trade marked, you wont be getting the name, it has trademark in its own country.

Maybe it has to be the fact that hardsextube has way more traffic than sextube.

Whatever your laywer is telling you, it wont happen, ever.

It looks like sextube.com was registered in 2004, well before hardsextube. Is that not true?

**Furious_Male** · 03-02-2009, 11:26 AM

That's a great business plan. The number of active sites using "Sextube" in the domain is pretty staggering. Get control of even half of them and you have an empire.

No sense in registering any remaining domains now or going after any low traffic sites. Wait until your average webmasters gets a good amount of traffic flowing to a site with the trademarked name in it. Then have the lawyers try to take it from them.

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

That's a great business plan. The number of active sites using "Sextube" in the domain is pretty staggering. Get control of even half of them and you have an empire.

No sense in registering any remaining domains now or going after any low traffic sites. Wait until your average webmasters gets a good amount of traffic flowing to a site with the trademarked name in it. Then have the lawyers try to take it from them.

I hope he loses some WIPOs and gets branded as a reverse domain hijacker. I can overlook mpahlca's comments though since he's PAID for his loyalty.

**CamTraffic** · 03-02-2009, 11:28 AM

Code:

My domain is a registered trademark in hungary (hard sex tube)

i'll tell the guy not to worry about it
he's in hungary, i doubt Twistys will start a lawsuit to get the domain back ( especially one that's international)
and if they want it back that bad, they can make it an offer

**fris** · 03-02-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

It looks like sextube.com was registered in 2004, well before hardsextube. Is that not true?

Thats true, but the trademark date, and ICANN looks at trademarks not just in USA/CAN, which only covers shaps trademarks, hardsextube is in hungary, which they own the trademark for.

I dont see the site changing hands anytime soon, or ever for that matter

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:29 AM

I can't believe how many people are backing a guy who built his traffic on stolen content lol

**PSSuperstars** · 03-02-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

That's a great business plan. The number of active sites using "Sextube" in the domain is pretty staggering. Get control of even half of them and you have an empire.

No sense in registering any remaining domains now or going after any low traffic sites. Wait until your average webmasters gets a good amount of traffic flowing to a site with the trademarked name in it. Then have the lawyers try to take it from them.

It's a very ingenious way to throw your power, money around... especially knowing your average webmaster is just concentrating on paying his mortgage and automobile notes... not looking to play the trademark game..

Whether you have the legal right to it or not.. is NOT the point of this thread..

The point is the level of bullying it is..
and that 7 years ago.. you would have guffaw'd and scoffed and been astounded at someone doing this..

It just goes to show.. money and power.. and the ability to use that money and power.. changes people...

There's MAYBE 10-15 webmasters on here who could compete with you legally.. and you know it..

**fris** · 03-02-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Shap

I can't believe how many people are backing a guy who built his traffic on stolen content lol

You fund sites with stolen content, so its not much to talk.

No offense, you are part of the problem.

**CamTraffic** · 03-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Shap

We have the SexTube and GayTube trademarks as well.

so, you 're saying that all these sites Owners are also in infringement with the tradeMark:
thefreesextube.com
thesextubesite.com
firstsextube.com
enjoysextube.com
yousextube.com
homemadesextube.com

etc etc...

**PSSuperstars** · 03-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Shap

I can't believe how many people are backing a guy who built his traffic on stolen content lol

well.. I'm not even looking at the site..
I'm looking at the roundabout way of ethics and business choices made just in terms of keywords/registering...

and I'm THANKING God I never went keyword crazy with tube words lol

**DarkJedi** · 03-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Twistys own a lot of domains: http://darksidedata.com/twistys.txt

(pulled from whois info)

I think what they are doing is pretty bad.

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Davey Jones

Twistys own a lot of domains: http://darksidedata.com/twistys.txt

(pulled from whois info)

A lot of typos for other peoples sites in there too. Guess that highlights the hypocrisy even more.

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:33 AM

I think it important that you guys know we didn't get the trademark to go after people. We got it to protect the name and the site. We've spent a lot of money on both sites. We want to protect them.

Should somebody be allowed to run officialsextube.com? or therealsextube.com? We are investing and building up SexTube and GayTube. We have to protect ourselves.

**DarkJedi** · 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

A lot of typos for other peoples sites in there too. Guess that highlights the hypocrisy even more.

That's what I've noticed.

BV · 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM

Shap, You and the rest that use "tube" in your name. All of you are a spin off from YouTube anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what will you do when they get around to suing you?

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM

Where's Steve at?
lightspeedcheerleaders.com

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by CamTraffic

so, you 're saying that all these sites Owners are also in infringement with the tradeMark:
thefreesextube.com
thesextubesite.com
firstsextube.com
enjoysextube.com
yousextube.com
homemadesextube.com

etc etc...

Correct. I'm sure a few of those have received letters as well.

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

I hope he loses some WIPOs and gets branded as a reverse domain hijacker. I can overlook mpahlca's comments though since he's PAID for his loyalty.

A) I work for Shap cause I want to as I respect him as a person and a businessman no other reason, if you knew me you would know I dont need the job
b) Just so you know Shap's site was active prior to his and his trademark pre dates hardsextube even a hungarian court will follow ICANN rulings.

So all that being said in the end Shap will get the domain its just a matter of time and if hardsextube wants to fight it great for him, but sooner or later he will lose.

**Va2k** · 03-02-2009, 11:35 AM

Damn I use to have a lot of respect for you shap, but lately you turned into Lars and the other leech's! Un real what money will do to some people, but like Brujah said maybe you were always like this! *shrugs* Very sad to see this from you once again! Lay with dogs and you will get flea's

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by BV

Shap, You and the rest that use "tube" in your name. All of you are a spin off from YouTube anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what will you do when they get around to suing you?

Check Shaps trademark its pre youtube.com so maybe if you did some research instead of posting you would have known that.

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

A lot of typos for other peoples sites in there too. Guess that highlights the hypocrisy even more.

LOL Those were registered years ago. Most are either not used are going to the site.

**fris** · 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

hardsextube will never change hands unless you buy it, so start making offers

**WarChild** · 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by fris

Thats true, but the trademark date, and ICANN looks at trademarks not just in USA/CAN, which only covers shaps trademarks, hardsextube is in hungary, which they own the trademark for.

I dont see the site changing hands anytime soon, or ever for that matter

I sort of doubt the trademark in Hungary predates the US one.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...07:eds6u9.5.17

Filing Date December 15, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B;44D
Published for Opposition September 25, 2007
Registration Number 3350922
Registration Date December 11, 2007
Owner (REGISTRANT) Carsed Marketing Inc. CORPORATION BAHAMAS P.O. Box AP59223 Slot 378 Nassau BAHAMAS

**Mr.Right - Banned For Life** · 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

Where's Steve at?
lightspeedcheerleaders.com

ROFL

**DarkJedi** · 03-02-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Shap

I think it important that you guys know we didn't get the trademark to go after people. We got it to protect the name and the site. We've spent a lot of money on both sites.

Do you really think anyone here is so stupid as to believe this?

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:38 AM

and yeah love the content on there,

http://www.hardsextube.com/video/118...Fashion.Gash--

guess nasty should ask why there video is up with no ads love you stolen tube backers fantastic, Shap can never win cause he is successful its too bad.

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

A) I work for Shap cause I want to as I respect him as a person and a businessman no other reason, if you knew me you would know I dont need the job

Looks like he's doing the same thing you've been complaining about in this topic. That makes you look pretty dumb, or just another PAID post.

b) Just so you know Shap's site was active prior to his and his trademark pre dates hardsextube even a hungarian court will follow ICANN rulings.

Looks like he's doing the same thing you've been complaining about in this topic. That makes you look pretty dumb, or just another PAID post.

So all that being said in the end Shap will get the domain its just a matter of time and if hardsextube wants to fight it great for him, but sooner or later he will lose.

Looks like he's doing the same thing you've been complaining about in this topic. That makes you look pretty dumb, or just another PAID post.

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

I sort of doubt the trademark in Hungary predates the US one.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...07:eds6u9.5.17

Filing Date December 15, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B;44D
Published for Opposition September 25, 2007
Registration Number 3350922
Registration Date December 11, 2007
Owner (REGISTRANT) Carsed Marketing Inc. CORPORATION BAHAMAS P.O. Box AP59223 Slot 378 Nassau BAHAMAS

I don't believe he even has a hungarian trademark. I may be wrong. From the searches I ran nothing came up.

**cess** · 03-02-2009, 11:39 AM

I hear the owner of tube.com got his domain trademarked. He's gonna sue all of you sukas!

**Brujah** · 03-02-2009, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Shap

LOL Those were registered years ago. Most are either not used are going to the site.

**Antonio** · 03-02-2009, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Shap

Do you believe someone should be allowed to start twistystube? How about pepsitube?

We are just following our lawyer's advice and protecting our investments.

Truly fucking amazing, your lawyer told you to go and FUCK other people out of their money????

**TeenCat** · 03-02-2009, 11:40 AM

wow, i am not reading it all, first reply from twistys rep is enough, i am removing all links to twistys and saying fuck off everyone who need to play like that, fucking egoists ...

**WarChild** · 03-02-2009, 11:40 AM

If sextube.com was indeed registered before hardsextube.com and the US trademark for sextube.com predates any other, which appears to be the case, then won't that be a slam dunk name dispute?

BV · 03-02-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

Check Shaps trademark its pre youtube.com so maybe if you did some research instead of posting you would have known that.

you're saying sextube is pre-youtube?

Then why isn't he suing YouTube?????????

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:41 AM

So you guys think you can register sexyoutube.com and nothing would happen?

**TeenCat** · 03-02-2009, 11:42 AM

once again, everyone who need to play game "kill others biz" go fuck yourself shitheads! you know what you are doing, so enjoy your fucking biz

**Porn Producer** · 03-02-2009, 11:42 AM

It's unbelievable what money do to a person.

Shap, go fuck yourself.

**Shap** · 03-02-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by BV

you're saying sextube is pre-youtube?

Then why isn't he suing YouTube?????????

God you are pretty stupid BV. how is sextube and youtube similar? How would i have any case against them?

**CamTraffic** · 03-02-2009, 11:43 AM

and taking over hardsextube is "protecting" your "sextube" brand in what way?

**PSSuperstars** · 03-02-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Shap

So you guys think you can register sexyoutube.com and nothing would happen?

What's actually legal.. and what's actually worth the effort to go after are two different things...

There are a lot of things that can legally be sued for.. but they're just assy to waste the time doing...

and with the keywords being so vague.. and common... it's just a shitty thing to do.. that's all.

You have the legal right to do it.. but it's just a shitty thing to do.

**mpahlca** · 03-02-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

Looks like he's doing the same thing you've been complaining about in this topic. That makes you look pretty dumb, or just another PAID post.

Post bot? or error, how is Shap doing anything that i have complained about?

I am 100% in favor of going after trademarks. For any business it makes sense if you are running a business and don't trademark your property you will lose it, that happened to ddgirls.com Stephen Hicks didn't have the trademark and someone took his pay site that he had been running on that domain for years, he had to swap to digitaldesire.com, if he had trademarked it he wouldn't have had that problem.

Twistys abusing ICANN policies and pushing people around?

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