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Obama's war crimes, Impeachment and Prosecution

02-20-2009, 05:53 AM

Well... are you gonna start calling Obama a War Criminal for escalating troop deployment in Afghanistan, for aerial drone attacks on villages, innocent people being killed etc?

I mean... Bush is a war criminal for the exact same thing right? there is no excuses and "collateral damage" is just another way of saying "genocide" right?

So... is Obama now the new terrorist?

There is no gray area here. Obama is Commander in Chief and killing innocents is killing innocents.

Don't tell me you're gonna be hypocritical about it. I expect better from you, being that you've basically proclaimed yourself to be the moral authority on right and wrong for the last 8 years.

Innocent people need you now more than ever. Stop the killing of innocents. Impeach Obama and prosecute him for War Crimes!
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02-20-2009, 05:55 AM

I would like to know that too? Obama is illegally bombing Pakistan where is the outrage?
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02-20-2009, 05:57 AM

Correct.... Pakistan... good point!

Obama has been attacking a sovereign country as well. Where is the UN? Where is France?

This insanity has to stop and this criminal, aggressor and agitator needs to be stopped so innocent, free people can continue living their lives in peace without the threat of Obama bombing them while they sleep at night
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02-20-2009, 05:59 AM

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02-20-2009, 06:01 AM

Missiles fired from suspected US drones killed at least 15 people inside Pakistan today, the first such strikes since Barack Obama became president and a clear sign that the controversial military policy begun by George W Bush has not changed. -

"locals also said that three children lost their lives. " - Times Online

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02-20-2009, 06:03 AM

Clinton, Bush, Obama. Nothing ever changes when you're trying to keep anyone who might threaten your power in chains.

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02-20-2009, 06:04 AM

that title is wrong thats your opinion not fact been alot of these fake ass titles lately

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02-20-2009, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

that title is wrong thats your opinion not fact been alot of these fake ass titles lately

touchy? defensive? there was no statement of fact... it was just a thread title relating 3 subjects to Obama.

I can understand how this will irritate and you'll be irrationally defensive since you have no real argument... but at least try to formulate some sort of well reasoned reply that might provoke some thought on the subject and offer some insight into the differences between the position that Bush is a war criminal and Obama isn't. i'm curious. We can rule out hypocrisy right away since thats just not a trait liberals possess... so i must be missing something.
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02-20-2009, 06:11 AM

Feb 14th 2009
Suspected US Missile Strike in Pakistan Kills More Than 20

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-02-14-voa10.cfm

Mehmood Shah, maintain that the policy of drone attacks is causing major problems for an important U.S ally like Pakistan.

"With this [missile attacks], I think this problem [of militancy] is becoming more and more difficult for Pakistan to handle," he said. "The militants' activities have no popularity in Pakistan. However, when the Americans sort of become involved in Pakistan, it gives them [militants] a reason. I am sure that we would have presented our case very strongly to Mr. Holbrooke and that I think we should make the respect for our territory as a pre-condition for any role that we have to play in this war on terror."
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02-20-2009, 06:12 AM

Canadians have been losing lives fighting in afganistan for years. Its about time they get some back up. Everyone knows that the 911 attacks were in part funded by the taliban which is the main "power" in afganistan. Not sure what Iraq had to do with it though.

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02-20-2009, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

Canadians have been losing lives fighting in afganistan for years. Its about time they get some back up. Everyone knows that the 911 attacks were in part funded by the taliban which is the main "power" in afganistan. Not sure what Iraq had to do with it though.

Everyone knows that most of the terrorists were funded by and executed by Saudis.
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02-20-2009, 06:15 AM

oh now yaw defending arabs bullshit like you care

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02-20-2009, 06:20 AM

This thread is stupid... and btw... it has been noted in the London Times recently that those drone attacks are being launched from within Pakistan itself...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...base-pakistan/
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02-20-2009, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by nation-x

This thread is stupid... and btw... it has been noted in the London Times recently that those drone attacks are being launched from within Pakistan itself...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...base-pakistan/

why is it stupid exactly?

is there a double standard here?

hypocrisy?

or am i just looking at the situation wrong?
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02-20-2009, 06:28 AM

Pakistan is partnership with the US so how is it a war crime?

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02-20-2009, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Everyone knows that most of the terrorists were funded by and executed by Saudis.

By the saudi government? I don't think so. They are more concerned with making money than blowing stuff up for religious reasons. If the saudi government is protecting and helping the groups who funded them, there is something to look at but I think we know that due to the US's close relation to the saudi's..nothing will happen.

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02-20-2009, 06:31 AM

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Pakistan is partnership with the US so how is it a war crime?

RAWALPINDI: Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar denied on Thursday that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is controlling drone attacks from the Shamsi base in Balochistan, and said Pakistan had no secret understanding with the US to use bases in Pakistan to carry out attacks in the Tribal Areas.

?Certain news reports claiming that the CIA runs predator flights from the Shamsi Airbase in Balochistan are baseless ... Pakistan has no such understanding with the US to allow it to use its bases for predator attacks,? the minister said at a meeting with Japanese ambassador Chihiro Atsumi, who had called on Mukhtar.

He also said that the US drone attacks inside Pakistan were proving counter productive.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...0-2-2009_pg7_9

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02-20-2009, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by nation-x

This thread is stupid... and btw... it has been noted in the London Times recently that those drone attacks are being launched from within Pakistan itself...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...base-pakistan/

FOX news. This seems all so familiar somehow.

"MULTAN: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Sunday that Pakistani bases were not being used for US drone attacks in the Tribal Areas ? as suggested by a US senator a few days ago.

Qureshi told journalists before flying to the federal capital that US drone attacks were affecting Pakistan?s sovereignty, and clarified that the drones were not being flown from bases inside Pakistan. He said Pakistan had always condemned the drone attacks over which no understanding or agreement existed.

Qureshi said Pakistan had taken up the issue during a recent visit by the US special envoy, Richard Holbrooke, and conveyed the administration?s concern over the attacks. The foreign minister said the drone attacks were causing collateral damage and proving to be counter-productive."

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...6-2-2009_pg7_4

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02-20-2009, 06:36 AM

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02-20-2009, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

why is it stupid exactly?

is there a double standard here?

hypocrisy?

or am i just looking at the situation wrong?

You are looking at it wrong.
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02-20-2009, 06:42 AM

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02-20-2009, 06:51 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change

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02-20-2009, 06:54 AM

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02-20-2009, 06:56 AM

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02-20-2009, 06:59 AM

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02-20-2009, 07:01 AM

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02-20-2009, 07:04 AM

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02-20-2009, 07:12 AM

i'm boggled... not one person can offer an answer as to how Obama killing people and escalating troop presence, combat deaths, innocent people's deaths and so on is different than Bush's "war crimes"
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02-20-2009, 07:13 AM

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Cant even give the newbie a month, lmao

a month? he's already started killing people as policy and as part of a declared strategy. how much time does it take to make the murder of innocent people OK?
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02-20-2009, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

i'm boggled... not one person can offer an answer as to how Obama killing people and escalating troop presence, combat deaths, innocent people's deaths and so on is different than Bush's "war crimes"

people die in war if you know its un safe move if bombs hit my neighbors house id leave the region no doubt

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02-20-2009, 07:19 AM

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I would like to know that too? Obama is illegally bombing Pakistan where is the outrage?

Pakistan's intelligence service CREATED the Taliban and that country has no control of their territory that borders Afghanistan, just to put it in perspective. I personally think we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan, just bombed Al Qaeda sites day and night for a few weeks and left it at that. Same deal with Iraq if we were worried about their ability to produce WMDs. Blast them into the Stone Age with all the fancy stand-off weapons we developed during the Cold War and they won't have the industrial base to build nukes. But instead, we invade and occupy two countries and now may be fighting Iran and Pakistan next. WTF?

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02-20-2009, 07:21 AM

So if this was still Bushes last term, you'd also have made the thread.. right? hehe
It's just silly how history re-starts with each change of party. Not even with each president, just with each party. Fiscal conservatism. Anti-war. Regulatory oversight. It's like all brand new.

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02-20-2009, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

people die in war if you know its un safe move if bombs hit my neighbors house id leave the region no doubt

batting 1000 for evasive answers.

its ok... i understand your conundrum.
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02-20-2009, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by PR_Tom

So if this was still Bushes last term, you'd also have made the thread.. right? hehe

No one has an answer?

Really?

This is really odd. Not what I expected at all.
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02-20-2009, 07:37 AM

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02-20-2009, 07:46 AM

you can prosecute a world power lol there's your answer

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02-20-2009, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

why is it stupid exactly?

is there a double standard here?

hypocrisy?

or am i just looking at the situation wrong?

It's not that. I think it's called transference, or placing blame on one person, or something to that effect (it's still early for me ok?) when it really involves more than one person making the decisions. This is especially true if u have voted. If u had voted for either Obama, or Bush or whomever, we should all then be held accountable for war crimes or for any for that matter. Moreover, even if a President calls the shots, someone else has to execute orders as well, so therefore they should be held accountable as well.

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02-20-2009, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

people die in war if you know its un safe move if bombs hit my neighbors house id leave the region no doubt

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02-20-2009, 08:17 AM

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02-20-2009, 08:24 AM

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02-20-2009, 08:46 AM

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02-20-2009, 08:50 AM

hey, if it's determined obama can be charged with war crimes, i'm all for it. but it seems to me we should 1st prosecute bush on the war crimes issues that have already been determined. 1st things 1st.
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02-20-2009, 05:42 PM

I wonder if and Afghan and Pakistani tribes in the border regions are grateful for the Hope and Change that's raining down on them from unmanned Predator Drones, ordered by Obama?

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02-20-2009, 05:45 PM

I'm not sure why people actually thought he was going to change anything. You just bought into the hype of Obama. Well, congrats.
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02-20-2009, 05:50 PM

He's doing what he said he would do. Focusing our efforts where he said he would.
IMO we are now bombing where we should be Bombing.

Pakistan needs to get with the program.

This is change we can believe in.
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02-20-2009, 06:17 PM

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