The man behind 4chan, broke and living with his mom

50 broke dudes who are gonna be multi millionaires soon enough

Fresh from the can. Yum yum!

Actually, I'm fairly sure cybersex ranked quite a bit higher on his list of priorities than simply selling advertising without bullshit drama

lol @ the emil puzzle in b/ i swear it wasnt me

lol indeed.. here is the answer:

On top of that if this guy can't sell at least dating to a demographic of:

United States 60.6%
Germany 6.8%
Australia 4.0%
Canada 4.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%

Then who will he be able to sell to? I mean.. most tubes out there don't have those numbers and they are still able to sell to free loaders.... besides... 4chan doesn't only caters to pedobears and most of that traffic is geographically "bill-able"........

Here is yet one more reason this guy wont' make money......

To close... let me say that the only way someone with such traffic numbers wouldn't be able to make money off of that site would be if those visitors were from either russia or China... and still there is the possibility of selling that traffic to adult as we all have seen here in GFY... all it takes is a lil brainstorming which might be a new concept for 4chan's owner..

He can hardly pay the hosting for his site, its going to eventually sink

and the answer was wrong

you actually compare tube traffic to 4chan traffic? there might be an overlap, but I would also guess that those in the overlap make zero revenue for the tubes as well

Actually, the answer is quite right. And I know that for a fact.

The traffic doesn't convert well, usually, but it does convert. And if you use clever marketing tricks, it actually does convert well.

Of course, the current banner campaigns there will turn out to be a disappointment, since they're now promoting simple paysites...

But 4chan traffic can definitely bring in money, if you know how to use it. Which moot doesn't

I gaurantee you that if you put up an ad that said "Moot checked out this site... go you faggot!"

Well... the rest is history.

All he has to do is have a premium forum membership or something similiar. He can still have free but offer extra functionality to paid accounts. A one off $10 fee like SA and he would coin it in surely.

are you guys really this clueless when it comes to the forum culture?

Why does SA do that well then??

Yeah SA runs a pretty good ship, anyone else have an account there. I do.

different animal

can you imagine the logistical problems in trying to turn the 4chan ship around into a traditional type bbs forum? and getting users to pay? can't see it working

I would be interested to see the revenue breakdowns for sa though, is the membership fee a huge part of it, or is that a way to keep the poster and therefore conversation quality up? I guess probably both, and it would be interesting to see how the fees compare to ad revenue

Yep, I do.

I love SA, since it's far more mature than 4chan. 4chan has the potential to become very profitable but as people mentioned before, the owner seems a bit clueless and overwhelmed with everything.

I agree somewhat, he is too close to it. If his goal is to make money, he should put someone else in charge of it and let them do their thing. He can then cash his checks.

The odd thing is that sometimes he seems like he hates dealing with the site and sounds generally upset that it doesn't make him money. At the same time, he's had to have had many opportunities to cash out.

I don't think he has an ego. I think he's just torn. On one hand it's his baby and one of the reasons the site is so successful is because it never has sold out. On the other he has to want to cash in like so many others have. In this business, you can't go halfway, it's one or the other. I have respect for him whichever way he goes, but he needs to really pick one.

fail.....

4chan is what the Something Awful forums would be if they didn't have moderators and paid accounts. Trying to charge money to post on there wouldn't work at all.

Charging money would defeat the idea behind anon forums....

I think he makes lots of cash. No doubt.

I guess you don't frequent /B very much lol there are FIVE ads (for of them at the top surrounding the post area alone) and minus the AFF banners, look at the link codes for the rest of the banners, some big players from our industry ARE paying money to be there.

So.... how exactly is moot NOT making ANY money with that board? doesn't add up to me.

-Loki-

One instant idea would be to install a script which would convert games titles and movie titles into links, leading to online stores with 15% discount off the retail price. And that's yet before my morning coffee, so I'm pretty sure there are some other, better ideas

ya, agreed

4chan is like the ghetto of the internet :P

What's the URL for SA?

GTFO newfag

The ads you see there now are relatively new, before that there was a period with just a few ads, all non-adult, before that a period without ads, before that a period with normal ads, a mix of adult and non-adult, provided by an outside company which started mixing in ads with sounds, popups and browser redirects - which was the reason he moved to no ads at all for a while.

The new ads are a move in the right direction, caused by financial desperation. However, they're still not the type of ads that would be most effective on there.

Please, shut your mouth when you have zero idea of what the hell you're talking about.

Didn't a good portion of those new ads suddenly pop up after our last 4chan thread here?

I agree with Libertine, though, that simple ads for paysites wouldn't work terribly well on those boards. I mean, take the hentai ads that are running up their promoting Free Lifetime Hentai right now. Is some 20 year old /b/tard going to take the time to whip out a credit/debit card and go through all the BS to sign up, or is he just going to click on /h/ and have a shitload of hentai there without any effort or cc info?

I think you'd have to offer something that either 4chan doesn't already offer for free/easier access, and make it something at least interesting and not insulting to an internet/porn savvy person's intelligence.

That's just my theory, though.

no they refuse to make money.

Also, he needs to figure out a way to filter ads from board to board, not just between SFW and NSFW. I tend to use the hentai/yaoi/yuri boards to help ID stuff from time to time if I want to make a gallery but don't know the characters, or just to get an idea of what people are looking for in the niche, and already I've seen people complaining about inappropriate advertising on the niche boards (for ex, straight porn on the yaoi board).

i am refusing to make money today.

i think gfy should ban all existing members for saying the same thing in every thread like clockwork.

moot can put up a simple PayPal donation button and make bank.

most of the tards would donate (me including)

also, it's not just about /b/ - there is a ton of other interesting boards on that site (travel, nature and so on)

awwww did someone piss in your cornflakes

how in the hell do I not know what I'm talking about in regards to your "out of your ass post"

4chan is losing money because moot doesn't want to make money. It's that simple. Just try asking about buying ad spots, and see what happens...

you pretty much said, "Moot doesn't sell ads" "ask to buy an ad and you won't get it" etc etc, ALL I said was that was wrong, and there are ads on /b I give two shits WHEN the ads started, stopped, blew up etc, that is not the point, the point is, YOU are NOT Moot, and can not sit there and dictate WHAT moot thinks.

and I'm the newfag LMAO

-Loki-

That's what I was thinking. Those subforums are all targeted and aren't being trolled much at all. He could easily make a couple grand a week selling ads on those subforums.

Considering you can't even get the name of /b/ right, yes, you are the newfag.

My point was that the reason moot is broke and in debt is that he's never taken advertising seriously, and has mostly neglected it over the past few years. Currently, there are ads because he is rather desperate for money. In the past, he only rarely replied to inquiries about advertising, and was extremely picky about which ads got posted.

Unlike you, I've actually spoken with him about advertising several times over the past few years, and one thing became crystal clear: he is completely uninterested in business. He wants to be an internet celeb. If he wanted to make money, he'd be rich now. Instead, he's in debt.

Since you're apparently slightly retarded, let me spell it out for you. When I say he "doesn't want to make money", I mean his current lack of money results from constant negligence with regards to the financial side of his site.

I didn't pretty much say he doesn't sell ads. I said to try emailing the advertising email address and seeing for yourself what happens. Later on in the thread, I even detailed exactly what it is that happens: a large chance of not getting any responses, price lists that can change over the course of a single day, and completely bizarre behavior. Basically, a lack of concern with regards to making money.

Now stfu.

I thought Pay Pal already closed down an attempt by 4chan and said they want no association.

Not surprised, site was full of pedo crap for years, cleaned up a bit now.

Look I have my own little language, I can laugh at somebody being shot or a drawing of a baby getting raped I am so cool!!

Truth is 4chan is no different than a gang of 14 year olds. Following the leader, laughing to improve ones rep....

Anybody over 20 something into this needs to get a life, honestly...

Rarely do I let anyone (especially someone I don't even know) get under my skin, however for you I guess I'll make the exception, why I don't know really...

not that it has any baring on this little pissing match, but I am NOT a newfag, oldfag, samefag etc etc, I've 'lurked' and posted on many of those boards for quite a few years now, I've always tried to keep up on the various fads (or memes) that have been launched by the community over there.

I remember very well the on again / off again ads over this same time period, and the adult ones have always seemed POINTLESS to me, (almost as pointless as putting paysite ads on tubesites imho)

Going by the WP Article ALONE, and nothing else, moot claims he never KNEW how to / or was able to monetize that site, either people did NOT want to advertise on there (mainstream companies mainly) and the people who DID want to advertise (US, for lack of a better term) he felt it just would not work out for the better of the site....

my

I can not, nor will I speak for Wegcash for example (they have banners on the site now) but how profitable is it for them to have a bunch of people auto clicking on their ads, and NEVER spending dime one? THAT is the common consensus amongst the most vocal there, IE "I'll set up a script to send the ads X amount of clicks per day, that will help out" I've seen COUNTLESS posts just like that over the past few days alone since the 5 page article came out, AND over the past month or so since the porn ads came back to the top and bottom of the pages.

Now, MAYBE the advertisers are not aware of this, but I would bet dollars to donuts that moot and mods ARE aware of this fact, so they would not be very very quick to flood the site with porn ads, since (A) they know their posters won't click legitimately and (B) the one's who will click will overclick, use proxies, and or scripts THUS creating a huge amount of bullshit traffic and prolly pissed off advertisers either pulling out or demanding their money back.

So according to the article moot Does not know / has not been able to make money off the site how does that equate to your magic know-all of him "not WANTING to make money off the site"

Your so up on the site, you seem to have a direct line with the creator, how would YOU make money off a board where the BULK of the posts are jailbait, cp, gore, memes, personal info, "/b/lackups", personal armys, copypasta, and last but not least battletoads?

Don't forget the national press (ALL NEGATIVE) regarding Scientology, Peta, hordes of people walking around with Guy Faux masks etc etc, and most recently the barrage of facebook hacks, cumdumster targeting, death threats, and the no cussing club website, and now.... OC3 "Operation Clown Car Cunt"

How exactly do you make money off the "Internet Hate Machine" as they have been so cutely dubbed?

Oh I forgot, it's not that it's a bit HARD to pull that off, moot just doesn't want too

and as for me being retarded thanks, I wish, if I was retarded I could just live off the state and stop busting me ass to make a living

Oh and last but not least, EVEN on the site itself it's referred to as /b and /b/ but hey, good for you for picking a lack of / to determine my status and or mental capability

-Loki-

Your turn

Forums are hard to monetize. I speak out of experience.

Shit happens

IDK

anyway, what if he just posted a text on the bottom: 'my paypal is [email protected]'

you think PP would have a problem with it? it's not like he would be soliciting for payments/donations

I think he should just blackmail others and sites. Failure to comply and he focuses and then releases anom at you.

He can be like the digital version of the hoards.

Well I'll preface this all by saying I don't know for sure, because I wasn't there and didn't see it with my own eyes.

I did however read in more than one place more than one time, and one of those places being 4chan, that there was once a Pay Pal donation link, but Pay Pal closed the account and told him to take a flying leap. I guess the reason being along the lines that they don't allow adult sites.