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  • Intrinsic
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    Breaking News - 48+ People Dead - Plane Crash Buffalo NY

    http://www.cnn.com

    (CNN) -- A plane crashed into a house in Clarence Center, a suburb of Buffalo, New York, on late Thursday, according to authorities.

    Local media reported that the plane was Continental Flight 3407 from Newark, New Jersey, carrying 48 passengers, according to the FAA.

    The plane went down shortly after 10 p.m., hitting a home and bursting into a fireball, according to New York State Trooper John Manthey. The wreckage from the plane is still smoldering.

    The accident took place about seven miles from Buffalo Niagara International Airport.

  • Mutt
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    #2
    damn

    there's never any good news when Buffalo makes the news. i have a big soft spot for that city.
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    • ~Ray
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      #3
      terrible news
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      • born2blog
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        #4
        that truly sucks!!
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        • Spunky
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          #5
          God bless them.what a tragedy

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          • Mutt
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            #6
            the weather today in the Buffalo area was horrible - snow, sleet, ice - wonder if that's gonna be involved in why the plane went down.
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            • JaneB

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              That is horrible news. Since I already hate to fly, this scares the shit out of me even more.

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              • fuzzylogic
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                #8
                the wreckage is still smoldering. i might take a drive up there.

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                • Intrinsic
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                  #9
                  turbo-prop... fuck i hate those

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                  • digitaldivas
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                    #10
                    God, thats horrible.
                    ...

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                      #11
                      Damn. RIP to those who lost their lives.

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                      • ChargebackJoe
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                        #12
                        Blame Canada Bombardier Dash 8
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                        • NickB.
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                          #13
                          damn thats horrrible -

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                          • SBJ
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                            #14
                            damn that sucks Watching cnn now

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                              #15
                              Damn that sucks..

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                              • Sexyblogger
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                                #16
                                because i dont like planes ,i like when i'm on the ground....pour people....
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                                • JD
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                                  #17
                                  damn... 2 crashes from the same area? I'm neeeeeeeeever flying in/out of there again

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                                  • ExLust
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                                    #18
                                    Reading the headlines made me say, "Dang! America what happen to you???"

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                                    • pornocruto
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                                      #19
                                      Damn, that is some very sad news.

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                                      • fuzzylogic
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JaneB
                                        That is horrible news. Since I already hate to fly, this scares the shit out of me even more.
                                        you can't be for real. i hope you don't drive!

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                                        • Andy CHOOPA
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                                          #21
                                          Seriously RIP, a lot of us fly A lot
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                                          • DannysReviews|com
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                                            #22
                                            This is sad news.
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                                            • JimmiDean
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                                              #23
                                              I fly in and out of there on Continental all the time, but I stay away from Turbo props,
                                              To many prop fractures for me to risk it, wonder if that will be the case here.
                                              I know Hamilton Beach that makes the props have had several bad fuck ups over the years.
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                                              • candyflip
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                                                #24
                                                We've had crazy wind and lots of rain and ice here in WNY the past few days.

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                                                • fuzzylogic
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                                                  #25
                                                  some company that makes or uses turboprops have discontinued their remaining crafts.

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                                                  • V_RocKs
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                                                    #26
                                                    Crazy shit and crazy weather over there.

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                                                    • HorseShit
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                                                      #27
                                                      wow that sucks

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                                                      • Chit Chat
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                                                        #28
                                                        This is sad news. May their souls rest in peace.

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                                                        • Furious_Male
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by fuzzylogic
                                                          the wreckage is still smoldering. i might take a drive up there.

                                                          Good luck trying to get close. I live approx. 4 miles North of the crash scene. They have that area sealed off pretty well. Its very surreal to see the black and blue SUVs on every street corner from several miles away blocking things off.

                                                          I have friends that are fire fighters that are at the scene I am going to see if I can get any more info over what they have been reporting all night later. Whats amazing is how only one house was taken out. I had family that lived on that street several years ago. Those houses are pretty close. If that plane would have come in flat it could have wiped out the entire center of town.
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                                                          • tranza
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                                                            #30
                                                            Damn, those are terrible news...Rip all of them..
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                                                            • candyflip
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                                                              #31
                                                              Here's an interesting read someone just sent me:

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                                                              • CyberHustler
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                                                                #32
                                                                Planes should just fly around NY state instead of through it...
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                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  dang thats bad
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                                                                  • undersoul
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    very sad and very scary.
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                                                                    • Martin
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Turbo Prop = One wing and a prayer.

                                                                      RIP.

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                                                                      • pornguy
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Sounds to me like its time for the FAA to step up inspections and what not.
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                                                                          wow. that sucks.

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                                                                          • Ethersync
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                            Here's an interesting read someone just sent me:

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                                                                            interesting. bookmarked. thanks.
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                                                                            • Mutt
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                              Here's an interesting read someone just sent me:

                                                                              http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/200...cool-about-it/
                                                                              very interesting. ice no doubt was the problem - whether it was the errors of the flight crew or the de-icing equipment on the plane not functioning - still to be determined.
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                                                                              • Mutt
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ChargebackJoe
                                                                                Blame Canada Bombardier Dash 8
                                                                                i just read in the article candyflip linked to that that plane has a perfect record - no crashes whatsoever in its history.
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                                                                                • Tom_PM
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Accidents suck, but they are by definition outside the norm..
                                                                                  I'm way over near syracuse, but the other day it was above freezing and it rained all day yesterday and changed over to freezing rain briefly then regular snow. I can't imagine flying in those oddball changing by the moment conditions.
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                                                                                  • Scott McD
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                                                                                    Sad news...


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                                                                                    • Nikki_Licks
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by JaneB
                                                                                      That is horrible news. Since I already hate to fly, this scares the shit out of me even more.
                                                                                      That is sad news for sure. Our condolences go out to all the Families.
                                                                                      I am with you there. I don't fly and If I have to, it will be for a Family emergency.
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                                                                                      • JaneB

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Nikki_Licks
                                                                                        That is sad news for sure. Our condolences go out to all the Families.
                                                                                        I am with you there. I don't fly and If I have to, it will be for a Family emergency.

                                                                                        Yep me too Nikki. I hate heights and the times I have flown, I was very anxious. If I have to fly again I will bring a bottle of Xanax and knock myself out.

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                                                                                        • LoveSandra
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          damn.This is horrible

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                                                                                          • Furious_Male
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                            Here's an interesting read someone just sent me:

                                                                                            http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/200...cool-about-it/
                                                                                            "You have to wonder if Continental 3407 was flying on autopilot - carrying enough ice on its wings that its normal approach speed was simply too slow for it to stay in the air. So when it slowed down, it simply dropped out of the sky."

                                                                                            This is what a lot of people are speculating. I don't know a lot about how pilots think but one would assume with the conditions the way they were auto pilot wouldn't have been used. They should be able to tell that from the data recorders though. They are on the way to Washington now.
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                                                                                              Gos rest their souls

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                                                                                              • WeirdHomer
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                Here's an interesting read someone just sent me:

                                                                                                http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/200...cool-about-it/
                                                                                                I have red it. That article puts the blame on ice conditions before any investigation is done. Even IF the weather conditions are perfect for icing the surface of the aircraft, the dash 8 has an electric automatic de-icing system, unless the pilots didn't enable it i doubt ice build up that fast would be the cause for this crash.

                                                                                                Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                very interesting. ice no doubt was the problem - whether it was the errors of the flight crew or the de-icing equipment on the plane not functioning - still to be determined.
                                                                                                Again, i have my doubts.

                                                                                                Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                Accidents suck, but they are by definition outside the norm..
                                                                                                I'm way over near syracuse, but the other day it was above freezing and it rained all day yesterday and changed over to freezing rain briefly then regular snow. I can't imagine flying in those oddball changing by the moment conditions.
                                                                                                If they airport the aircraft is headed for isn't closed it is up to the captain to decide whether he is going to put it down or not. This decision is often a result of the type of aircraft he is flying, some aircraft take heavy weather conditions better then others. Although i have never flown a dash 8 myself i think the safety record shows this aircraft can take alot of heat. I myself have only 2 times in 14 years flying diverted a flight due to weather conditions, i'm talking about decision made by myself, not center or approach control. This doesn't mean i take or any other pilot takes alot of risks, this means the aircraft i or any other pilot was flying can fly within the limits of the current weather condition. That offcourse is without any sudden weather changes, it does happen.

                                                                                                Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                "You have to wonder if Continental 3407 was flying on autopilot - carrying enough ice on its wings that its normal approach speed was simply too slow for it to stay in the air. So when it slowed down, it simply dropped out of the sky."

                                                                                                This is what a lot of people are speculating. I don't know a lot about how pilots think but one would assume with the conditions the way they were auto pilot wouldn't have been used. They should be able to tell that from the data recorders though. They are on the way to Washington now.
                                                                                                I doubt that pilots are going into final approach on autopilot. I don't know if the airport he was bounded for has ILS but going in harsh weather conditions in final on autopilot just isn't very smart. I also don't know if the dash 8 has a TOGA system but even when a TOGA system is installed i personally never go into final on autopilot, exept if the weather is very good and i can go for full ILS.

                                                                                                Before anybody makes any conclusions i think there is more then just ice to take into account here.
                                                                                                - The aircraft was in approach so it was at relativelly slow speed.
                                                                                                - Dash 8 never had any ice problems knowing they also fly in switserland where the weather is much worse incase of icing.
                                                                                                - The aircraft took out 1 house, meaning it wasn't a controlled crash landing, the pilots where not flying the aircraft at the moment of crash, else they would have tried to crash land it and it would probably take out more then 1 house.
                                                                                                - The tail section was still visible and in 1 piece if i have seen it correctly on tv (was just a flash), incase of icing problems often results in a stall, close to the ground this often results in a "tail first" crash.

                                                                                                Alot of other things then ice might have happened, one example:
                                                                                                If on final approach you often are very close to the stall speed. You do a bird strike, loose one engine, a small windgust is enough to take you down like a brik Just an example.

                                                                                                It could be ice but i won't put my money on it at this moment.

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                                                                                                • bobby666
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Spunky
                                                                                                  God bless them.what a tragedy
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                                                                                                  • Furious_Male
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Turns out auto pilot was on at the time of the crash. The pilot is sure to be scrutinized now for that decision in those conditions.

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