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  • slapass
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    • Nov 2002
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    Why does the US need more aircraft carriers?

    The US has ten and the rest of the world 7. Only Italy has 2. So any one country on one country war and we are at least 5 to one. Italy is an ally and France who has 1 also is. So the potential conflict countries have 4 in total. So we need more then a 2.5 to one advantage?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_by_country

    Look at the list and the. Honestly say you think the US is undermanned?
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    • bronco67
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      • Dec 2006
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      Why does Italy have even one?

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        • Bladewire
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          American aircraft carriers are mobile military installations so we can close our bases in the Philippines, Qatar, etc. A lot less expensive and less bullshit by locals. I think they are too risky but whatever.


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            • poncabare
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              #4
              Italy not too long ago wasn't an ally

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                • NemesisEnforcer
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by slapass
                  The US has ten and the rest of the world 7. Only Italy has 2. So any one country on one country war and we are at least 5 to one. Italy is an ally and France who has 1 also is. So the potential conflict countries have 4 in total. So we need more then a 2.5 to one advantage?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_by_country

                  Look at the list and the. Honestly say you think the US is undermanned?
                  China paid for all 10, we only use them but we don't own them. China can repossess them at any time leaving us with zero.
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                    • Paul Markham
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                      #6
                      Because the US is involved in too many wars.



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                        • Paul Markham
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by bronco67
                          Why does Italy have even one?
                          I was thinking that.



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                            • pimpmaster9000
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                                • sirkonstantine
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                                  Its because of Preemptiveness (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war).

                                  So, the US has floating, mobile airports so that it can strike anywhere in the world to prevent a larger conflict from happening. "Anywhere" means anywhere in N. America, S. America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and the Pacific -- that's a lot of area if you think about it.

                                  Having a mobile airport can reduce transit time by days.

                                  Also, there might be 10 carriers but they go on rotation -- like, 1/3rd are in dock while 2/3rds are out at sea. So, really, its like 6 or 7 carriers around the globe and 3 are being maintained (and out of duty). This is another reason why there are so many carriers -- there's a need for other carriers to cover for the ones being maintained.

                                  They're not just floating there doing nothing either. For example, an aircraft carrier might be where a SEAL team begins their Operation. The team would then board a helicopter to go into, lets say, Somalia, for a hostage rescue.

                                  If the carrier wasn't floating near the horn of Africa, then the US might not have been able to carry out the mission since, if no country within 1/2 fuel tank wanted to house the helicopter and team, the mission would have been impossible.

                                  So, yeah, there's a strategic need for carriers.

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                                    • pimpmaster9000
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                                      • Dec 2011
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by sirkonstantine
                                      Its because of Preemptiveness (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war).

                                      So, the US has floating, mobile airports so that it can strike anywhere in the world to prevent a larger conflict from happening. "Anywhere" means anywhere in N. America, S. America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and the Pacific -- that's a lot of area if you think about it.
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                                        • Zeiss
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                          Because the US is involved in too many wars.
                                          Point made.


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                                                • slapass
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                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by sirkonstantine
                                                  Its because of Preemptiveness (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war).

                                                  So, the US has floating, mobile airports so that it can strike anywhere in the world to prevent a larger conflict from happening. "Anywhere" means anywhere in N. America, S. America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and the Pacific -- that's a lot of area if you think about it.

                                                  Having a mobile airport can reduce transit time by days.

                                                  Also, there might be 10 carriers but they go on rotation -- like, 1/3rd are in dock while 2/3rds are out at sea. So, really, its like 6 or 7 carriers around the globe and 3 are being maintained (and out of duty). This is another reason why there are so many carriers -- there's a need for other carriers to cover for the ones being maintained.
                                                  If you look at history, they are not used this way. We do not enter every conflict with days to minimize its spread or some such. There is really no defensive need for this many.

                                                  Do we use them to interfere around the world. Yep, that seems to be the main use. Kind of an expensive way to fuck around in the third world.

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                                                    • sirkonstantine
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                                                      #14
                                                      ^ OK Arm chair generals.

                                                      The thread is titled "Why does the US need more aircraft carriers?" and my post does explain the operational need.

                                                      If you disagree, write a letter to your congressman. If you're not an American, enjoy the presence of our aircraft carriers. There's nothing you can do.

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                                                        • CoolMikey
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                          If you look at history, they are not used this way. We do not enter every conflict with days to minimize its spread or some such. There is really no defensive need for this many.

                                                          Do we use them to interfere around the world. Yep, that seems to be the main use. Kind of an expensive way to fuck around in the third world.
                                                          "Interfere" is not be the right word, "have influence" is a better way of phrasing it, and as the biggest economy in the world there is no good argument why we shouldn't have a say in what goes on around the world.

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                                                                • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by CoolMikey
                                                                  there is no good argument why we shouldn't have a say in what goes on around the world.

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                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                        • Sarn
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          >Why does the US need more aircraft carriers?

                                                                          Because USA boring to sitting in its the mainland alone. )
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                                                                            • Sarn
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                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by sirkonstantine
                                                                                  Its because of Preemptiveness (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war).

                                                                                  So, the US has floating, mobile airports so that it can strike anywhere in the world to prevent a larger conflict from happening. "Anywhere" means anywhere in N. America, S. America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and the Pacific -- that's a lot of area if you think about it.

                                                                                  Having a mobile airport can reduce transit time by days.

                                                                                  Also, there might be 10 carriers but they go on rotation -- like, 1/3rd are in dock while 2/3rds are out at sea. So, really, its like 6 or 7 carriers around the globe and 3 are being maintained (and out of duty). This is another reason why there are so many carriers -- there's a need for other carriers to cover for the ones being maintained.

                                                                                  They're not just floating there doing nothing either. For example, an aircraft carrier might be where a SEAL team begins their Operation. The team would then board a helicopter to go into, lets say, Somalia, for a hostage rescue.

                                                                                  If the carrier wasn't floating near the horn of Africa, then the US might not have been able to carry out the mission since, if no country within 1/2 fuel tank wanted to house the helicopter and team, the mission would have been impossible.

                                                                                  So, yeah, there's a strategic need for carriers.
                                                                                  To prevent a larger conflict from happening. Like the ME where they're wasting their time.



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                                                                                        • Sarn
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          it is difficult to sell coal to the green energy country like Germany without the aircraft carriers
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                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by CoolMikey
                                                                                              "Interfere" is not be the right word, "have influence" is a better way of phrasing it, and as the biggest economy in the world there is no good argument why we shouldn't have a say in what goes on around the world.
                                                                                              What influence does the US have in the ME?



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                                                                                                • Rochard
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  The United States minded it's own business until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, dragging the US into World War Two. When we got dragged into WW2, the United States needed aircraft carriers to fight the Japanese in the South Pacific. Just to give you an example of how much we depended on aircraft carriers to fight the Japanese, during WWII we had 7 aircraft carriers when the Japanese first attacked, and eventually built another 160 aircraft carriers during the war itself.

                                                                                                  Why do we need so many aircraft carriers? After being dragged into World War, the United States policy has been to ensure we have the ability to project military power anywhere in the world nearly instantly. The only way to do this is to have military bases around the world, and fill in the gaps with aircraft carriers.

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                                                                                                      Don't forget about our helicopter carriers
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                                                                                                            • Bladewire
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Don't forget our submarines!








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                                                                                                                • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                  To prevent a larger conflict from happening. Like the ME where they're wasting their time.
                                                                                                                  It's population control. You hate Muslims , USA is killing Muslims, and you're still not happy WTF . Americans can kill every Muslim in the ME and you'd find something to complain about


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                                                                                                                        • NatalieK
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                                                                                                                          these numbers are incorrect btw, & besides, as the UK now has a new carrier, it´s obvious the US will make another...

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                                                                                                                            • NatalieK
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                              Don't forget our submarines!
                                                                                                                              seems the US puts so much money into war, wondering what would happen to Trumps nut sacks if an anti guidance sytem, or a big pulse stopping all electronics over the world happened.

                                                                                                                              I suppose that´s another thread, wonder what would happen to the world without electronics...
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                                                                                                                                    • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                      seems the US puts so much money into war, wondering what would happen to Trumps nut sacks if an anti guidance sytem, or a big pulse stopping all electronics over the world happened.

                                                                                                                                      I suppose that´s another thread, wonder what would happen to the world without electronics...
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                                                                                                                                        • JuicyBunny
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                                                                                                                                          Dude.... with global warming. Oceans are growing. Needs more.

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                                                                                                                                            • slapass
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                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 14625
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sirkonstantine
                                                                                                                                              ^ OK Arm chair generals.

                                                                                                                                              The thread is titled "Why does the US need more aircraft carriers?" and my post does explain the operational need.

                                                                                                                                              If you disagree, write a letter to your congressman. If you're not an American, enjoy the presence of our aircraft carriers. There's nothing you can do.
                                                                                                                                              You spouted a reason. I pointed out that the facts don't seem to support thst.

                                                                                                                                              I think the main arguement against is that rest of the world gets by with out them. Europe spends way less on military by alomost any measure then we do and they are doing fine and even better domestically. It seems to bring up the possibility that being the only country going large on aircraft carriers is not really paying off.

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                                                                                                                                                • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                    • slapass
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                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                                      these numbers are incorrect btw, & besides, as the UK now has a new carrier, it´s obvious the US will make another...

                                                                                                                                                      it´s what America does
                                                                                                                                                      The true number is a moving target. We just launched one so we might have eleven now. It is obviously not about defense. The US wonders why we are viewed with suspicion all over the world when we have a military thst has nothing to do with defending our shores and everything to do with attacking theirs.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 56228
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                                                          The US wonders why we are viewed with suspicion all over the world when we have a military thst has nothing to do with defending our shores and everything to do with attacking theirs.
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                                                                                                                                                            • slapass
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                              Putin thanks you for your service
                                                                                                                                                              Neither Russia nor the US could beat Afghanistan, do you really either country could invade and win over the other under any circumstances?

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                                                                                                                                                                • OneHungLo
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                                                                                                                                                                  Please don't make these threads... can't you see you're causing crucifissio to get triggered lol

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 56228
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                                                                      Neither Russia nor the US could beat Afghanistan, do you really either country could invade and win over the other under any circumstances?
                                                                                                                                                                      It's population control.

                                                                                                                                                                      You guys really don't get what war has truly been about the last 20 years.

                                                                                                                                                                      Population control.


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                                                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                          Why do we need so many aircraft carriers? After being dragged into World War, the United States policy has been to ensure we have the ability to project military power anywhere in the world nearly instantly. The only way to do this is to have military bases around the world, and fill in the gaps with aircraft carriers.

                                                                                                                                                                          Aircraft carriers are just amazing...
                                                                                                                                                                          Why does the US have to protect other countries military powers?



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                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                              It's population control. You hate Muslims , USA is killing Muslims, and you're still not happy WTF . Americans can kill every Muslim in the ME and you'd find something to complain about
                                                                                                                                                                              Stupid statement. Muslims kill more muslims every day. Muslims also kill more gays than anyone else.



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                                                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                                  It's population control.

                                                                                                                                                                                  You guys really don't get what war has truly been about the last 20 years.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Population control.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Again with the BS. Where are the most people being killed in wars today? Who is carrying out the killings?



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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                                                                      seems the US puts so much money into war, wondering what would happen to Trumps nut sacks if an anti guidance sytem, or a big pulse stopping all electronics over the world happened.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I suppose that´s another thread, wonder what would happen to the world without electronics...
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah no one even notices that we're unprepared for the next major EMP event
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • MrMaxwell
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          I think almost all GPS systems have a built in speed limit of, what was it, some huge number of miles per hour
                                                                                                                                                                                          It's so that you cannot launch a guided ICBM easily

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                              Stupid statement. Muslims kill more muslims every day. Muslims also kill more gays than anyone else.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Population control is being carried out by America on behalf of the west, we are the anointed "world police".

                                                                                                                                                                                              But as more and more of our armed forces are minorities nowadays it's becoming more difficult, for obvious reasons.

                                                                                                                                                                                              "war" the last 20 years is population control.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Manufactured conflict for population control.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by blackmonsters
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Steve Rupe
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2016
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                                                                                                      The true number is a moving target. We just launched one so we might have eleven now. It is obviously not about defense. The US wonders why we are viewed with suspicion all over the world when we have a military thst has nothing to do with defending our shores and everything to do with attacking theirs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      What makes you thing this "The US wonders why we are viewed with suspicion all over the world when we have a military thst has nothing to do with defending our shores and everything to do with attacking theirs."

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Our government certainly does not "wonder" and I personally am not aware of anyone that "wonders".

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Aircraft carriers have multiple roles but their primary role is to "project" military power or preposition military power around the globe. The best defense is a good offense and we have tremendous offensive capabilities. The greatest offensive power the world has ever known. There is not a country on the earth that can even begin to compare with our offensive capabilities.

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