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shitty ccbill conversions: do the programs suck or does ccbill suck?

02-05-2009, 06:50 AM

this is what im wondering. Now i dont send ccbill much alot of traffic but this is from last couple of months from about 6 programs:
40.000 clicks
2 sales
1:20.000

shitty programs or shitty ccbill? discuss
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02-05-2009, 07:13 AM

40k in clicks? i'd say shitty program or shitty traffic

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02-05-2009, 07:24 AM

Sure, the problem is not ccbill.

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02-05-2009, 07:27 AM

well times are a little tough out there so instead of doin 1:200 you could expect to do 1:300 or worse and stuff like that but 1:20k is still REAL bad! Prolly the program being promoted not so great as well as you prolly need to target your traffic better.

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02-05-2009, 07:54 AM

I've noticed my stats down the last two days but before that everything has been fine and I ONLY promote CCBill sites. Well, that's not true, I have one cam sponsor and one non-ccbill sponsor but other than that.......

I have 2-3 day slow periods every once in awhile so I'm not terribly concerned with it.

You didn't say what your stats were before you hit 1:20000 so it's hard to provide a constructive response. But, based on what I do know, I'd guess it has to be the sponsor or your traffic.

While CCBill has it's issues they are the 300 pound gorilla and have been doing what they do for a long time so it would be hard for me to think it's them.

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02-05-2009, 08:11 AM

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02-05-2009, 08:15 AM

40k and 2 sales is bad

so something is off, even with skimmed traffic wrong niche whatever youd get better results, care to post where you got the traffic or how youre sending it? Ill be more then happy to give you some advice, doesnt matter if its another program then DutchTeenCash

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02-05-2009, 08:19 AM

I cut my ccbill traffic to almost nothing now.. Sucks, because there were some good programs, but about 5 months ago the conversons went to total shit for ANY of the ccbill programs I was using.

This was blog/SE traffic and some high quality TGP traffic that was "clicked" from a text links. (ie not a bunch of shit skimmed gallery traffic)

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02-05-2009, 08:21 AM

1:20k ... ooooh my eyes hurts ...

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02-05-2009, 08:23 AM

and i must say i also dont understand that ccbill drop, in january i also lost 3/4 of my long time rebills ... all in the same month, but i am still selling good new sites ...

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02-05-2009, 08:25 AM

I don't send much traffic to CCbill, but I don't notice any unusual drop in sales.

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02-05-2009, 08:36 AM

ratio really sucks

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02-05-2009, 08:37 AM

if i am honest: i think both
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02-05-2009, 08:59 AM

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if i am honest: i think both

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02-05-2009, 09:07 AM

this is actually a pretty good question and I would like to hear more people chime in ...
I switched my primary to CCBill from Verotel and it could be just coincidence but I noticed a very noticeable change in my conversions over the last month .. could be just the economy but.. that was a pretty quick change .. I am actually thinking about a month more and switching back ..

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02-05-2009, 09:19 AM

its not shitty traffic its blogs, blog/tgp hybrids, blog galleries, not skimmed or anyhting

hm i see i just had a shitty date range the average of 08 is 1:12.000 but that is still fucked up

two of the worst, and where the bigger chunks of the traffic go:
Eromodel Cash 1:13303
UK Sex Cash: 1:12680

looks like these two take down the stats
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02-05-2009, 09:32 AM

When I had ccbill as my primary biller, slightly more than 50% of sales were declined, yet the secondary approved 100% of them.

BTW.. your stats.. don't forget that many programs count raw and even hits to FHG
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02-05-2009, 09:43 AM

ccbill is terrible. and so is epoch. by trying to have everything under one roof using a shit interface and run of the mill standard ad tools they have fucked up.

I would say ccbill has some excellent programs. but ccbill sucks.
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02-05-2009, 09:47 AM

Sounds like the traffic sucks or there join page isnt loading. shit pretty much any site will convert atleast one sale out of 20k.

I bet the traffic isnt landing on there page but I would focus on the traffic somethings wrong
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02-05-2009, 10:06 AM

Glad to see it's not just me ... I have 3 membership sites I set CCBill up as the only processor, many told me that I would do better with them than Verotel, which I have on 5 other sites. Jan '08 thru August '08 I had sales and was optimistic about using them ... as of Sept. '08, not one sale on those 3 sites. Same traffic feeds, nothing has changed. I am considering dropping CCBill and switching those 3 sites to Verotel. My other sites with Verotel just had best sales ever this January by the way ... just sayin'.

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02-05-2009, 10:14 AM

I had one of my best ccbill sponsors go from 1:300 in December to 1:1400+ for January. Same sources of traffic, but I can't blame CCbill for this one. The sponsor tour changed and if I was a surfer it would scare me away. I'm looking for some new ccbill sponsors to replace it. I've had luck with ccbill sponsors in the long term and I'm not giving up...yet

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02-05-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by nico-t

this is what im wondering. Now i dont send ccbill much alot of traffic but this is from last couple of months from about 6 programs:
40.000 clicks
2 sales
1:20.000

shitty programs or shitty ccbill? discuss

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02-05-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

two of the worst, and where the bigger chunks of the traffic go:
Eromodel Cash 1:13303
UK Sex Cash: 1:12680

looks like these two take down the stats

Last year with UK Sex Cash I averaged 1:192 and they were my best performing ccbill sponsor. My guess is that they're not a sponsor well targeted to your traffic.

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02-05-2009, 12:38 PM

40k and 2 sales... bad luck? No!

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02-05-2009, 01:16 PM

btw to compare, january combimed ratio for about 30 non ccbill programs i promote - 1:2600
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02-05-2009, 01:30 PM

Since stats problems CCBill had I am at 0:7000 with ccbill sponsors. I used to have 1:1100. It is all clicked traffic and traffic sources are the same as I had years before. Those are pure facts.
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02-05-2009, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

this is what im wondering. Now i dont send ccbill much alot of traffic but this is from last couple of months from about 6 programs:
40.000 clicks
2 sales
1:20.000

shitty programs or shitty ccbill? discuss

If you don't tell us what sites you are promoting? how the hell are we supposed to know?
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02-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by janosik

Since stats problems CCBill had I am at 0:7000 with ccbill sponsors. I used to have 1:1100. It is all clicked traffic and traffic sources are the same as I had years before. Those are pure facts.

Update .. now it is 0:9000
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02-05-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

its not shitty traffic its blogs, blog/tgp hybrids, blog galleries, not skimmed or anyhting

hm i see i just had a shitty date range the average of 08 is 1:12.000 but that is still fucked up

two of the worst, and where the bigger chunks of the traffic go:
Eromodel Cash 1:13303
UK Sex Cash: 1:12680

looks like these two take down the stats

Truly horrendous stats if as you say, it`s made up of targeted clicks from blog type sites in the site niches.
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02-05-2009, 02:38 PM

CCBill programs are about 75% of my total income.

Conversion ratio across all CCBill sponsors (almost 100% TGP traffic)
2008 - 1:1060
2009 - 1:1057

If this is a CCBill issue then I'm certainly not seeing it.
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02-05-2009, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

this is actually a pretty good question and I would like to hear more people chime in ...
I switched my primary to CCBill from Verotel and it could be just coincidence but I noticed a very noticeable change in my conversions over the last month .. could be just the economy but.. that was a pretty quick change .. I am actually thinking about a month more and switching back ..

Since february of '08 I have seen an increase in sales monthly on my vstrip site. I use ccbill only right now. January of '09 has been my best month... granted more affiliates are pushing but it hasn't peaked and I have not seen a decline.

CCbill to me is reliable... i think their fucking me with 15% but that's how it is. The problem I see with them is a good amount of declines based on what seems to me bullshit reasons. I need a backup to hopefully offset some of those missed sales.

Overall, no, I have not seen a decline in sales due to CCbill.
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02-05-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by mobilefun1987

ccbill is terrible. and so is epoch. by trying to have everything under one roof using a shit interface and run of the mill standard ad tools they have fucked up.

I would say ccbill has some excellent programs. but ccbill sucks.

Whatever, ccbill is just fine, actually I prefer it to having a thousands separate NATs programs that I have to manage myself. And your seriously complaining about the ad tools? Who cares! Get a promo pass and make your own tools. Seriously.

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02-05-2009, 03:38 PM

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January 2008: 1:1313

December 2008: 1:3882

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02-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by mmcfadden

Since february of '08 I have seen an increase in sales monthly on my vstrip site. I use ccbill only right now. January of '09 has been my best month... granted more affiliates are pushing but it hasn't peaked and I have not seen a decline.

CCbill to me is reliable... i think their fucking me with 15% but that's how it is. The problem I see with them is a good amount of declines based on what seems to me bullshit reasons. I need a backup to hopefully offset some of those missed sales.

Overall, no, I have not seen a decline in sales due to CCbill.

hrmm .. I am seeing more "declined" statements and much quicker cancellation of memberships .. I still have tons of verotel rebills coming through.. the CCBill ones seem to drop quicker .... Like I said another month and I can run a much better comparison .. but so far not as happy as I was told I would be ..

BY the way GTBill is pretty damn good to me ..

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02-05-2009, 04:02 PM

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02-05-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

hrmm .. I am seeing more "declined" statements and much quicker cancellation of memberships .. I still have tons of verotel rebills coming through.. the CCBill ones seem to drop quicker .... Like I said another month and I can run a much better comparison .. but so far not as happy as I was told I would be ..

BY the way GTBill is pretty damn good to me ..

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02-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

hrmm .. I am seeing more "declined" statements and much quicker cancellation of memberships .. I still have tons of verotel rebills coming through.. the CCBill ones seem to drop quicker .... Like I said another month and I can run a much better comparison .. but so far not as happy as I was told I would be ..

BY the way GTBill is pretty damn good to me ..

i'll try gt... would love to set a backup right now. Can you hook me up with the right people to make that happen quickly?
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02-05-2009, 04:45 PM

here are my ccbill stats (from niftystats)
2007 - 1:964
2008 - 1:774
2009 - 1:584

no drop in sales here....

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02-05-2009, 05:21 PM

I too experienced a very odd drop off about 5 months ago. Same traffic sources and the # of uniques grew every month. My ratios with CCBill went to hell.

Oh and the site is Met Art. I love their site and it converted awesome for 3+ years of promotion but lately it's been in the toilet.

Is it the processor, the site or the economy? It's really a toss up.

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02-05-2009, 05:32 PM

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i'll try gt... would love to set a backup right now. Can you hook me up with the right people to make that happen quickly?

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02-05-2009, 05:40 PM

Guys, I don't want to beat a dead horse here. But I see bad conversion ratios all the way around for ALL programs. When I send thousands of hits to the tour, then I've done my job.

Problem is, the surfers are clicking our links, checking out the tour, and then going straight to a torrent to download the entire members area of that site.

I know some here don't believe it. But when you spend a little time hunting your content down on surfer forums the picture becomes real clear.

Why buy something that is for free? That's the problem in a nutshell.

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Here are the Claudia-Marie stats from today so far, no bullshit, no exaggerations, just the honest stats screenshotted from NATS:

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02-05-2009, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

Guys, I don't want to beat a dead horse here. But I see bad conversion ratios all the way around for ALL programs. When I send thousands of hits to the tour, then I've done my job.

dude....thousands of hits a day i've seen. the best porn is an affiliate of mine which converts 1:44 from the past 90 days.

too much free shit offered = shitty sales. the only reason i've stayed afloat is because surfers can't download my shit.
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02-05-2009, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by mmcfadden

dude....thousands of hits a day i've seen. the best porn is an affiliate of mine which converts 1:44 from the past 90 days.

too much free shit offered = shitty sales. the only reason i've stayed afloat is because surfers can't download my shit.

Yeah, you have a cool little thing there. By the way, I was unhappy with the blues thing I pulled up on my sequencer for you. It just wasn't that good.

And the rest of the sequences were just too energetic and would take away from the card game in my opinion. Hell, I still think the music you have now is fine. It's unobtrusive as it should be. But you can always make things better too.

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02-05-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

Yeah, you have a cool little thing there. By the way, I was unhappy with the blues thing I pulled up on my sequencer for you. It just wasn't that good.

And the rest of the sequences were just too energetic and would take away from the card game in my opinion. Hell, I still think the music you have now is fine. It's unobtrusive as it should be. But you can always make things better too.

was wondering? that's ok. still want to change that music up though... in march gonna have some webcam's working... music is key...
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02-05-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by mmcfadden

was wondering? that's ok. still want to change that music up though... in march gonna have some webcam's working... music is key...

Yeah, I meant to icq you back...and then a bunch of crazy shit happened (as it always seems to lol ) and I spent the next couple of days putting out fires and working my ass off and it slipped my mind. I'm actually thinking that your site could work real nice as an upsell.

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02-05-2009, 08:33 PM

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02-06-2009, 11:06 AM

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02-06-2009, 11:09 AM

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02-07-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

this is actually a pretty good question and I would like to hear more people chime in ...
I switched my primary to CCBill from Verotel and it could be just coincidence but I noticed a very noticeable change in my conversions over the last month .. could be just the economy but.. that was a pretty quick change .. I am actually thinking about a month more and switching back ..

I did the opposite years ago, switched to Vertotel from CCBill. Verotel converts waaaaaaaaay more sales than CCBill. I also promote some CCBill sites now and they convert horribly now compared to years past.
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02-07-2010, 05:27 PM

I get under 1:1000 with most of my ccbill sponsors, and they seem a lot more reliable than any nats/mpa3 program out there.

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