Do you consider EXTREMELY OBESE people Victims of their metabolism?

metabolism is based on diet.

One other thing people should remember is that your satiety is triggered by food volume, not the calorie energy contained in the food. That's why eating a pound of "clean food" will be better for you than a pound of ice cream. Broccoli has the volume to fill you up but added very few calories. The ice cream is dense with calories and not filling.

I eat a handful of walnuts every day when I'm getting lean because I think it's important to get my god fats. But it's really not the best food to eat when watching calories. One conservative handful is about 200 calories and it does almost nothing as far as making me feel fuller.

My couch IS my toilet...

That's not entirely true, as you age your metabolism slows down. Lets say your BMR is 2000 at 30 years old, by the time you're 40 your BMR will be around 1900, 50 around 1800 etc

Middle age spread is a bit of a myth, well ignorance more than anything. You either choose to eat a bit less as you age or do more exercise to compensate, most people do neither and they put on weight.

To be fair it's not black and white, once someone is morbidly obese it is an uphill struggle to rectify the damage. A bit like those people you see that have lost 200 pounds and are left with all this disgusting excess skin they can never get rid of, skin has a limit to it's elasticity and once it's been stretched beyond it's limit there is no fixing it.

Once someone is morbidly obese they have insulin resistance, leptin and ghrelin resistance (hormones that regulate hunger) so they always feel hungry, they usually have depression and their entire bodies are inflamed which can lead to many other illnesses.

It's still 100% their own fault that they got to that point, I'm just saying it's a lot more difficult to change once your body is in that much trouble because you're battling against a host of self inflicted problems.

Then of coarse if you're filling your body with sugar and junk food you're feeding the bad bacteria in your gut microbiome which comes back to TheSquealers point about conscious and free will, you don't crave the junk food it's your gut microbiome that craves it.

I think you're really really really fat and just bullshitting us

Interesting we all know at least someone who can appear to eat anything they want and they never seem to put on any weight. Doug Lisle does an excellent job on explaining how a tiny percentage of people have more defined calorie estimation receptors than the rest of us.

Check it out, really interesting stuff

https://youtu.be/xAdqLB6bTuQ?t=1866

The SCIENCE of metabolism is NOT an OPINION

There were far fewer fat children when I went to school. The body hasn't evolved that much in 50 years. It's all due to eating.

eating is joy and food is too accessible (at least for most of us) so it's starting to be a curse

SCIENCE is INCREASINGLY becoming AN opinion >>>>>>>>>

Several genes have been identified as influencing common obesity.

Notice how the majority of Downs Syndrome children/adults are overweight?

Also many prescription drugs including anti-depressants cause weight gain, some by increasing appetite and others it's not understood why.

There was some controversial research/studies about diet sodas years ago, not a shocker that people who drink diet soda are often obese, since they also eat a lot of junk food but the interesting part of the research is that food/calorie intake was taken into consideration, those participants that had the same calorie intake but drank diet soda remained the same weight as those who drank sugared sodas. So that suggested that the brain was tricked into believing the artificial sweetener was sugar and the body went through the same routine as if the person ingested all that sugar. Again, it was controversial since they couldn't provide the exact mechanism by which it happens.

The brain and body is too complex and incompletely understood to make simple cause and effect statements. Saying that it's also true that for the vast majority of people taking in less energy than they put out all people including the obese will lose weight.

Then there's the neuroscience axiom 'All psychology reduces to biology'.

Hard to speculate MCE, but I'm sure not everyone is a victim of eating too much. I believe there are many different factors playing a role here. Underlying factors that person A is fat can be completely different than for person B apart from calorie intake.

Here's another study on diet soda drinkers actually gaining weight which would seem impossible since artificial sweeteners contain no calories.



What the study found is that artificial sweeteners caused changes in the gut bacteria and metabolism.

The human microbiome is becoming a hot area of research for many diseases/disorders including obesity.

Obese people should drink water, how frustrating it must be to restrict yourself to 1200 calories a day but you can't lose weight because that zero calorie soft drink is fucking up your metabolism.

"influencing".... just as being stressed might "influence" ones eating.. or the weather, or a parent or anything else under the sun.

NOTHING changes the basic fact that in order to gain fat, you must consume more calories than you expend.

YOU HAVE 100% CONTROL OVER YOUR BODY WEIGHT.

These conversations get quite silly and the arguments even more so.

It's like thirst.

We can go on for days about what thirst is.

We can discuss and debate the intricate feedback mechanisms which tell your brain "drink water"

We can discuss and debate for yours how each mechanism might be influenced by another, genetic factors etc etc.

We can discuss all the ways in which a body can more efficiently or less efficiently transport water to cells.

We can discuss all the various functions of water in the body and the massive cascade of effects that a deficiency would have.

We can discuss and debate every role of water in the body and how even slight dehydration might even make you believe you see God.

We can discuss all the various effects of dehydration, some genetically influenced and so on.

the question in this case, however is quite simple

"how do you become severely dehydrated?"
and the answer is equally simple,... "you consistently lose a great deal more fluids than you take in".

"what do you do to become re-hydrated?"
the answer is equally simple
.... "drink more fluids than you are losing"

as with weight loss, the 1,000,000 other discussions, arguments from molecular biology to environment to bad parenting have no bearing on the basic fundamental fact that you have to consume more calories than you burn to gain fat.


to be "morbidly obese" or more to the point "extremely obese" people as the OP put it, you have to be eating WAAAAAAAY more calories than you need just to get there and again WAAAAAAAAY more calories than you need to maintain that body weight.

It's mostly a life style thing... genetics do play a part, but less than 30%, I'd say