started my human growth hormone/testosterone program today

You should check your health status more often now

That guy takes WAAAAY more than these guys are talking about. You do not get HUGE taking correct dosage, or unless you want to bang back multiple drugs at high volume.

My guess that you are getting fatigued so quick is that your carb intake is way to low. Given you probably burn 3000 to 3500 kcal a day your carb intake should be about 400 to 450 grams a day, but make sure that you don?t eat more than 20 grams sugar a day. If you are active and have a low carb intake the body might use protein instead of the fat as energy. It is the carbs that regulate the amount of fat the body store, both a high carb intake and a low carb intake will cause the body to store or maintain stored fat. Besides the body doesn?t really start to burn fat until after an hour of training, before that it relies mainly on carbs, so if you start to get tired after 30 minutes your body probably will not burn much fat when you work out, that is why you still have relatively high body fat given how active you are.

i agree and that's my intention. this is all part of my commitment to pay better attention to myself physically, mentally and emotionally.

i am moving towards a higher carb "atheletic" diet, i will be ramping up good carbs over the next 90 days. I am not sure if i agree with you though that you don't burn fat until after an hour of training. from my understanding, with the proper cardio exercise fat burning begins earlier and lasts longer.

he said 10/u so thats 1 IU its a really low dose

topical test works but you need tons of it, your better off using regular injectable test weekly

I don't have the balance for most of yoga.

You start burning fat earlier, but from what I know it doesn't really take off until after an hour of training. When I did weight lifting I started with 15 min warmup, then did 45 minutes of lifting and ended with 30 mins cardio. I had really good results with that training. I hope you feel better with the high carb diet.

I just had to post this:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/spo...icle4208764.ab

She is 72 years old and started training when she was 46.

HI d-null, hey, i found this info on the hgh mixture, it shows that there is 1u of hgh per 10u of solution.

am i reading this wrong? i'll call my doc's office when they open in a bit to confirm

thank you. that's good info too

and this thread as about what?

Wow! That is amazing. Just shows it's never too late to kick some ass and look and feel good.

Look at Mick Jagger. He's 65 years old, spent his 20's,30's, and 40's smoking, drinking, doing tons of heroin, pot, and coke. He is ripped and shredded and can run faster and farther than any of the 20 something webmasters on the board.

I'd say it's never too late to improve quality of life

A lot of people would dispute that. Topical only requires a little top-of-your toothbrush-sized amount of gel and gives you a daily even dose so you maintain more or less consistent higher levels of testosterone in your body, while once a week injectable testosterone gives you peaks immediately after the injection and low levels several days later right before your next injection.

i can say this- i'm a horny mother fucker this morning! i'm all tingly

best luck on the results, hope it works out for you

That's not true Jim. When you inject testosterone intramuscularly it has a "shelf life" Different tests have different times. Prop for instance is pretty quickly done. So you would have to shoot it more. But cypionate and enthanate maintain your levels for more than 7 days. So shooting them just once a week is all you need to have good levels (and much higher than the gel can give)

Of course different tests do different stuff too. If you can handle shooting propianate every other day... it will lean you out real nicely. Whereas cypionate tends to have some water bloating if you were to up the dosage.

you are not reading "that" wrong, but you are not following the procedure exactly that they are talking about in that "info"


you said you are adding 3 cc of water to the hgh, which will result in my previous approx. calculation of .58 IU of hgh for 10u injection

the instructions you are now quoting from would be the result of only adding 1.8 cc of water to the hgh and end up with 1 IU hgh per 10u injection


you should clarify with the doctor how much he wants you to be taking, or if you are mistakenly adding more water than he intended when telling you your dosage.... there is nothing wrong with adding more water, you just need to keep yourself straight in your calculations when figuring out exactly how many IU of gh you are taking

You are talking about people messing around with steroid levels of testosterone however. For the dosages that doctors legally prescribe for h.r.t. there is still more daily fluctuation in your bioavailable testosterone with the injections than the gel. Some work better for some people than others and everyone is affected differently too.

i see. i also checked in with the doc, adding 3CCs was correct and my doasge of hgh is .58 as you mentioned. thanks again

I dont care about what a lot of people would say, the doctors know their stuff as they have observed millions of test users over the years and thats all that matters.

The whole topical thing was created in large since the prissy millionaires where scared of needles, those who really need test are given injectable test cyp by upjohn or sicor etc and not the non branded many anti aging clinics push.

Signature was the very first to push the topical stuff and they where telling the clinics at the A4M show (obviously prior to the bust) that clinics will see many more people joining if they can avoid the needles, remember test is a 23-25 g needle while GH can be shot with a slin pin.

Right now they are trying to develop a GH you dont have to shoot everyday, again so they can cater to the market who dont want to shoot daily.

Bottom line there is a way to do this that has been proven to show results and then there is a BS way, do what works!

HGH = D-Ball

People taking overglorified steroids and backing them up with misinformed internet bullshit information. Not to mention links from pharmaceutical companies that would never say a bad word. That combined with jackoffs like the red head from the partridge family and there you have it. Fat webmasters trying to get thin, all the while shrinking their ball size, going balder and enjoying their pumped up faggotry.

I would love to see a before and after.

Well since you're in Arizona, just come to the Phoenix Forum. And I'll introduce you to several webmasters who use testosterone and you can tell us all what faggots we are and see for yourself what we all look like. I'll be happy to whip out my huge nuts and let you run your fingers through my faggoty hair too.

Edit: My bad bro...The Phoenix Forum is closed to surfers

Atleast you know your full of shit. What is D-ball may I ask?

Not quite true. Testosterone is testosterone. It's the same substance, the only thing that changes is the ester. The ester is what causes breakdown over a given amount of time.

what are your thoughts/experience with the gel?

I've never done tesosterone at theurpetic levels.

read somewhere in here yesterday about carb intake and fatigue. i had cut the carbs to almost nothing and was protein loading. i added some complex carbs in and today i feel a million times better. wasn't tired like i have been. thanks boys

Somewhat...but believe me, if you ever use prop you will know there is a huge difference. Prop is a leaning test. Get me doing a big amount of cyp and I'll be bloated looking. Prop and I'll look cut. But goddamn prop burns and causes me to have swelling in the inject point.

Propianate:
Due to Testosterone Propionate possessing a brief active-life of 2-3 days, athletes found they could beat the testosterone:epitestosterone drug test if they stopped using this compound a week or two before being tested. This made it very popular with athletes in tested competitions, who liked that aspect quite a lot. Testosterone Propionate is the second fastest acting testosterone available for widespread distribution on the market. It's effects begin to onset in about 1 day. It has all the benefits of other long estered testosterones, such as rapid strength and muscle mass increases and increased training aggressiveness with a commesurate enhanced post trainingrecovery ability. However, it seems to cause a distinctly lower level of water retention. The only disadvantage seems to be the injection frequency dictated by the short active life of this drug. Every day to every other day were the most common dosing regimine's with this drug. A very high quality muscle gain has been achieved with a mere 50-100mg Testosterone propionate every 1-2 days along with perhaps 50mg Winstrol Depot or Trenbolone Acetate (on the same dosing schedule), and 20-25mg ofOxandrolone daily. Testosterone Propionate is the most popular form of testosterone for athletes and precontest bodybuilders alike.

Enthanate:
Testosterone Enanthate, oweing to its highly anabolic/highly androgenic effects, tends to be used in an off-season mass cycle. Water retention during administration of testosterone with this particular ester is reasonably high.?Testosterone aromatizes easily and has a high conversion rate to DHT. This can cause possible prostate problems or gyno and female pattern fat deposits, and water retention (plus high blood pressure). Finasteride and Exemestane or Arimidex are popular additions to a cycle with this drug, to avoid side effecs like those just mentioned. Testosterone suppresses HPTA function quyickly and severely. HCG and nolvadex are considered after a cycle to stimulate normal endogenous (natural) testosterone production within a rapid period of time at the point of post use. Males have typically injected 400-1000mg weekly, in conjunction with a high anabolic rated drug such as deca-durabolin or Equipoise. Trenbolone Enanthate is also a popular addition for leaner mass gains.

Cypionate:
Testosterone cypionate is a long acting ester of testosterone with strong androgenic and anabolic effects. It's action is very similar to testosterone enanthate. It also promotes muscle growth, increases bodyweight and appetite. It's conversion to estrogen is relatively high so it is recommended that anti-estrogen therapy is conducted after the use of testosterone Cypionate.

So you just more or less ADMITTED it is a legal form or steroids.

Loser.

I love watching a hardcore fatty get pissed because his cycle is fucked up. Wah wah chubby. Enjoy your gorillas nutsack juicy pudgy.

Come on Robbie. Show those before and after pics. Let's see the results. Stop posting absolute nonsensical bullshit you copy and paste from your community college doctor's website. Let's see hard facts.

Fat fuck

hate to put anyone on ignore, but man this Carmine Raguso character adds absolutely nothing of intelligence or value to this forum and even loading his posts is a complete waste of time

Robbie is right, and Warchild saying testosterone is testosterone is only part of the issue, but the ester makes a difference because the way the testosterone is delivered such as timing and relative concentrations over time periods can make a difference with how the actual testosterone interacts with the body such as with aromatase and enzymatic conversion into dht and also interactions with shbg and the way the body also decides to produce those enzymes and chemicals, it is a complex science, but it is a mistake to ever assume something about it such as saying "testosterone is testosterone"....... the ester can make a bigger difference than you might expect other than simply durational

That' was copy and paste from a training forum I'm a member of. Now here are the pics you requested troll:

Before pics: I'm the 3rd guy from the left in this promo pic from 1992 at age 30:



And that's me in the red shirt at the GFY Christmas party a month ago:



There's your before and after pics troll. Too bad you can't come to The Phoenix Forum so we can all see what YOU look like. lol

dyna mo,
This is Jeff, Venus's husband, I dont have an account here but she showed me your thread so I thought I would respond.

To start with, ignore everyone here who is not taking this stuff via a doctors prescription - they dont know what they are talking about.

I have been on the same stuff for about 5 months and I pick up more medicine on friday. the test is really good stuff... it has some side effects I dont like which are.. makes you HUNGRY AS SHIT, you get bloated with water and break out alot... I am dead serious about being hungry also...its like you cant eat enough...oh ya... you are also horney all the time.
Drugs effect everyone different, but this is my experience.
I am also taking HGH (25 on the insulin syringe)

this isnt enough to make you a bodybuilder, its only enough to bring your levels back up to where they were when you were younger. My doctor said he wanted to get my levels to someone in their mid 20's. The stuff makes you feel alot better overall, more energy and so on. Remember tho, your not taking enough for real dramatic effects.

any questions feel free to yell
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Jeff

hi Jeff, hey thanks for that! is the hgh working well for you?

the test IS starting to hit- hard. been about 30 hours or so since i started on it and you are right- my appetite is through the roof! i mean wow. and i just attacked my work out earlier, came home and wolfed down a nice salmon steak, rice and 2 cups of broccoli& peas.

i'll prolly have another meal in a bit too if i don't fall asleep, i'm hungry right now but don't want to overload any one meal.

thanks again

The people I am talking about with such an an opinion are not only patients, but some of the top doctors in the field. The brand name or compounded gels can often work as good or better than the injectables to create a positive change in your body for a whole variety of reasons. Don't think that just because you are using a needle that that makes it better. It is simply not true in every case.

another thing to keep in mind is that all gels are not created the same, different compounding bases, etc.

Great thread. Appreciate you sharing dyna mo and interested in details as you progress. Also nice to hear real experiences of others in this thread.

How is your hgh/test therapy going? Seeing results?

I find this stuff interesting..as I get older and notice the odd grey hair and not being as lean as I was but it seems everyone taking it wants to dismiss any negative effects it might have. I'm super paranoid about going bald. My dad is as bald as anything but im ok so far but only 30 years old. I don't like the idea of being dependent on it either. Some people say its cheap if you basically do it all 'on your own' but if you do it through docs and shit and suddenly can no longer afford it, what then? Also, have there been any tests of people who have taken it for like 40 years?