well israel is not really making friends.....they just have united states. sometime down the road, when politics change, what happens when united states decide israel is no longer a strategic interest? (it never was to begin with). israel is fucked, and that is the price they are paying now.
Stop talking shit about them because if they seize to exist you'll have an EXTRA 8 million jews in the US. That's why US supports them, to make sure they don't come here.
Even in the early years, from 660 onwards during the time of Islamic spain:
"The height of magnificence and luxury was reached by the wealthy Jews in the lands of Islam, particularly in Moslem Spain. We know that the court bankers of Baghdad in the tenth century kept open house for numerous guests and for the poor. Similarly, the ceremonies of the Jewish leaders in Babylonia [Iraq] and the patronage of the leading Jews in Moslem Spain (see page 452), indicate conditions of ease and plenty."
Mind you, that was when the rest of Europe was anti semetic. Surley if Muslims wanted to kill all Jews they would of done so, instead of letting them live in "conditions of ease and plenty"
So Alien, even you proivded no sources or anything you have 2 choices now. Admit you were wrong (you would gain ALOT of respect from me for that) or you can ignore everything i just posted and continue to be ignorant.
I just noticed you said "Israeli" and not Jew, still that isn't true because there are alot of Muslims actually in Israel itself.
But my previous post is still good for anyone who needs any info on the matter.
From what I gather your point is that the Jewish people do not deserve a land of thier own, and all is well between Islamics and the Jewish so long as the Jewish people live as second class citizens under Islamic rule?
You think posting a couple snippets of Islamic Apologists is going to fix everything? AHhaha!
From what I gather your point is that the Jewish people do not deserve a land of thier own, and all is well between Islamics and the Jewish so long as the Jewish people live as second class citizens under Islamic rule?
You think posting a couple snippets of Islamic Apologists is going to fix everything? AHhaha!
My post had nothing to do with Jewish people and a land of their own...seriously what the fuck are you talking about?
My point was Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together and still do.
How are quotes from actual Jews themselves Islamic apologists?
Of course the Jewish people deserve a land of their own, just not on SOMEONE elses land.
I posted a well thought out message with sources, you post blabbering giberish with no meaning. I give up, no wonder you have a reputation for being a total fucking brain dead retard.
So I goto say at least Isreali's know how to defend themselves now, its proof they know how to evolve rather than take be exterminated.
how is that ? they can only defend themselves with my tax dollars , once that dries up they are screwed. Anyone can defend themselves in a fight if someone hands you a bazooka, you would have to be a moron to lose, i wouldnt call that "knowing how to defend themselves" infact it would be quite the opposite wouldnt it . Take that bazooka away and your back where you started. Its like saying you know kung-fu but you have never used it , instead you always ask for someones gun . The jews were saved from extermination by hitler with AMERICAN support , money/bombs/lives, this same support is what keeps israel alive today ( not jews alive ) jews will survive regardless of whether israel survives because they are smart and capable humans just like the rest of us. Do they need israel to survive ? no. Do they need american tax dollars ? no.
the day mankind becomes forgiving and openminded
all wars would end
My holidays, food, friends, suplliers and clients are all over the world. I see no need to hate anybody or any group/country/religion based on an action of an individual/group/action.
From what I gather your point is that the Jewish people do not deserve a land of thier own, and all is well between Islamics and the Jewish so long as the Jewish people live as second class citizens under Islamic rule?
You think posting a couple snippets of Islamic Apologists is going to fix everything? AHhaha!
Shut up you fucking idiot. Do I have to come in and say it to you every time? Fucking loser!
pretty fucked up photos that reflect just PART of the reality. Although Israel has always behave like an ultra-fascist regime -hence the constant comparison with nazism -, I fail to see the photos of the muslim kids carrying bombs. Just saying...
And btw, for all the uninformed people in this thread, Israel ≠ Jew. There are christians, muslims and jews. And not all jews live in Israel. Please, at least read a book or something
the bottom line is religion is a cancer and an instrument of hate. Add to that politics... and not even 1000 nukes will kill as many people as the coalition of religion and politics did
From what I gather your point is that the Jewish people do not deserve a land of thier own
who doesn't deserve a land of their own ? but do we really want a land of our own ? lands for tall people , lands for short people , lands for left handers , lands for rock fans, lands for people who believe in ghosts or santa or jesus, if we did we would have almost no land and everytime a new group started up we would all have smaller and smaller portions.
And btw, for all the uninformed people in this thread, Israel ≠ Jew. There are christians, muslims and jews.
yah that ignorance i see on both sides, i often see jewish people say you cant be israeli if you arent jewish. i imagine though the percentage of jews must be in the high 90's.
Just out of curiosity i wonder how many IDF are muslim and/or christians ?
and the same in reverse , are there any hamas jews/christians .
Originally posted by devine
And not all jews live in Israel. Please, at least read a book or something
heh i dont think i have ever seen anyone say that. Would make it very hard for the entertainment industry unless california was in israel
Yeah it is exactly the same.... minus the concentration camps and the gas chambers.
Buzzy you never cease to impress.
Exactly.
The Jews are the chosen people.
And it's common knowledge Jews were the only ones subjected to concentration camps, gas chambers and Nazi aggression.
Exactly.
The Jews are the chosen people.
And it's common knowledge Jews were the only ones subjected to concentration camps, gas chambers and Nazi aggression.
Fuck the rest of you anti-semite bastards.
right as usual .... you should write a book ... a fiction novel...
The word holocaust is also used in a wider sense to describe other actions of the Nazi regime. These include the killing of around half a million migrant Romani peoples, the Roma and Sinti, the deaths of several million Soviet prisoners of war, along with slave laborers, gay men, Jehovah's Witnesses, the disabled, and a vast assortment of perceived potential troublemakers and political opponents.
.. and you are an anti- ???? yes... anti-intelligence
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
how is that ? they can only defend themselves with my tax dollars , once that dries up they are screwed. Anyone can defend themselves in a fight if someone hands you a bazooka, you would have to be a moron to lose, i wouldnt call that "knowing how to defend themselves" infact it would be quite the opposite wouldnt it . Take that bazooka away and your back where you started. Its like saying you know kung-fu but you have never used it , instead you always ask for someones gun . The jews were saved from extermination by hitler with AMERICAN support , money/bombs/lives, this same support is what keeps israel alive today ( not jews alive ) jews will survive regardless of whether israel survives because they are smart and capable humans just like the rest of us. Do they need israel to survive ? no. Do they need american tax dollars ? no.
So in your view you think the Isreali's should have no country of thier own?
What you are saying is like... Hey Russians do not need Russia Moscow and America does not need Washington DC! All people need land to live on and countries are comprised of those of similer tastes and goals in life.
All people are entitled to have a land called thier own except the Jewish people?
the one on the right kinda made me laugh a little bit....he pee'd his pants
Naw, they probably wet his pants with a hose and he was upset that they were about to take a picture of him having falsely peed his pants and post it on the internets.
Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.
right as usual .... you should write a book ... a fiction novel...
directfiesta - I am writing a book.
It's based on "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!". It WILL be a huge seller. If you're nice, I'll send you a pre-signed copy; even before I sign it! as that's what "pre-signed" entails.
So in your view you think the Isreali's should have no country of thier own?
they do have a country last time i checked. They just have a hard time staying inside it.
Originally posted by AlienQ
What you are saying is like... Hey Russians do not need Russia Moscow and America does not need Washington DC!
exactly
Originally posted by AlienQ
All people are entitled to have a land called thier own except the Jewish people?
religions dont own countries , but no thats not at all what i said nor how i feel. In an ideal world we would all have our own countries ( including jews ), we just dont have enough space for it. Israel has a country, if they want to be racist and only allow jews in then thats their choice. If they want to be recognized then they must recognize others the same way.
who doesn't deserve a land of their own ? but do we really want a land of our own ? lands for tall people , lands for short people , lands for left handers , lands for rock fans, lands for people who believe in ghosts or santa or jesus, if we did we would have almost no land and everytime a new group started up we would all have smaller and smaller portions.
I do think midgets should have there own land...kinda like the lepers. Seriously, the earth was hear for billions of years before any race or religion existed. So for anyone to claim it as "holy land" is just stupid.
Exactly.
The Jews are the chosen people.
And it's common knowledge Jews were the only ones subjected to concentration camps, gas chambers and Nazi aggression.
Exactly.
The Jews are the chosen people.
And it's common knowledge Jews were the only ones subjected to concentration camps, gas chambers and Nazi aggression.
Fuck the rest of you anti-semite bastards.
Yeah. You're right. The Nazis must have sent the Gypsies, Poles, political prisoners, homosexuals, jehovah's witnesses and catholic clergy to some sort of fancy resort, I'm sure.
I love this idea that if you don't agree with Israeli policy or even the existence of the Israeli state, you're somehow anti-semetic. There are a lot of ethnic groups and religious groups with no nation of their own.
The Kashubians, Balkars, Kurds, Kanaks, Sorbs, Amboinese, Basques..
You know what the difference is between those ethnic groups and the Israeli Jews? They weren't transplanted into their locations. They were born there because their fathers were born there, and their fathers before them.
Nobody can deny that what happened to the Jews during World War II was horiffic. But was the moving of European Jews to Israel really the right solution? Then again, you couldn't exactly expect them to stay on in the communities that more often than not handed them over to the Nazis and acted as informers against them. And at the same time, Muslims have a lot to answer for in the way they reacted to the creation of the state of Israel. Both sides have valid arguements. Both sites commit horrible attrocities against one another. It's not nearly as black and white as some of you people believe.
who doesn't deserve a land of their own ? but do we really want a land of our own ? lands for tall people , lands for short people , lands for left handers , lands for rock fans, lands for people who believe in ghosts or santa or jesus, if we did we would have almost no land and everytime a new group started up we would all have smaller and smaller portions.
I don't think everyone "deserves" their own land. Change the discuss from the Middle East and instead let's talk about the Basque.
The Basque are neat. I've eaten in a Basque restaurant - it's strange. You walk in and there is one item on the menu, which is whatever they are serving that night. You don't sit at your own table, but sit at these large tables where you end up sitting next to strangers.
They are located in Spain and France. They have their own culture. Does that mean they must have their own land? Should France and Spain just cough up land to them? What about people who live in Basque dominated areas? Should France and Spain move them? Should they stay there and suddenly loose their citizenship to France or Spain?
What about the Amish? Hell, they seem to have their own laws and yet still reside in many regions in the United States. Isn't it possible to exist peacefully? The Amish seem to be fine living in the US.
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