The changing face of Israel

This shows progress. Almost there, just a little longer.

With the Gaza strip cut off for a number of years from the rest, surrounded by a concrete wall, is it any wonder why they are retaliating?

Anyway, looks like all the demonstrations against Israel's actions around Europe have paid off - they've decided to make a unilateral ceasefire.

Nothing personal, but to all the Jews - your country needs a fucking leash. In the space of 20 days, 400 children and 700 adults have been killed by Israel. Fucking disgusting The programmes that have aired in Europe on this are gut wrenching. Hence the mass demonstrations in most major cities throughout Europe.

Thankfully, it's had an effect.
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Israel seems to be winning though. That guy lost, and lost big.

You are so ignorant of what really happened, I will not do your homework for you. Like most Israelis will find out soon, you too will see that ignorance will be short lived..

i like how racists use the u.n. when they like it but ignore it when they dont.

heres jus a few un resolutions , most of which have been ignored , infact israel has ignored more u.n. resolutions than any other country


Resolution 111: " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
Resolution 127: " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
Resolution 162: " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
Resolution 171: " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
Resolution 228: " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
Resolution 237: " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
Resolution 248: " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
Resolution 250: " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
Resolution 251: " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
Resolution 252: " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
Resolution 256: " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
Resolution 259: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
Resolution 262: " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
Resolution 265: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
Resolution 267: " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
Resolution 270: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
Resolution 271: " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
Resolution 279: " ... 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
Resolution 280: " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 285: " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
Resolution 298: " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
Resolution 313: " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 316: " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
Resolution 317: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
Resolution 332: " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 337: " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
Resolution 347: " ... 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
Resolution 425 (1978): " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was completed as of 16 June 2000.
Resolution 350 (31 May 1974) established the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, to monitor the ceasefire between Israel and Syria in the wake of the Yom Kippur War.
Resolution 427: " ... 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon".
Resolution 444: " ... 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
Resolution 446 (1979): 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
Resolution 450: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
Resolution 452: " ... 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
Resolution 467: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
Resolution 468: " ... 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
Resolution 469: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
Resolution 471: " ... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'.
Resolution 484: " ... 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".

palestinian is not good even if he's 6ft under!

make a parking lot from gaza, get putin there for a week

What's the solution then? I gather from people that Israel should not have responded to terror with an armed force. Ok so tell me what they should have done.

Mossad at my house. You're such a fool. I live in US just fyi. I'm not muslim nor am I brown. And no, that wasn't a theat, just a reality of the fact your crusade will not survive. You may not live to see it, but it's true.

Dialogue?

• THe IRA had been terrorising Britain for over 60 years, that dialogue brought to an end.
• ETA terrorised Spain for more than 30 years, that dialogue brought to an end
• The PLO's camapign in Israel ended in the late 80s or early 90s, don't know exactly when, in favour of negotiation (note Hamas, splintered off from this)
• Sri Lanka's National Liberation Front (JVP) ended 40 years of conflict in favour of dialogue, and ended up winning an election.

Didn't Barak try talking with Arafat? What did that lead to? Arafat walking out of negotiations and starting an intifada.

The fly probably eats better too.

You're talking about the failed camp david summit right?

Then have a look at Robert Malley's POV on that... he wrote a lengthy bit of insightful comments in the NYT after that, blaming all 3 parties on the failure (Arafat, Barak and Clinton) and not just Arafta as was reported by the mainstream press.

Now, what's very interesting is even though Malley has been reported as an anti-Israel, Hama-loving person, Obama appointed him as a principal foreigh policy advisor.

So, as someone pointed out in this threat, Israel's unilateral ceasefire and Obama's taking the presidency could well not be mere coincidence...

Israel had made the best offer the Palestinians had ever seen.

Which was still a piss take.

I don't care who's fault it is for a fail agreement. There is no justification to pick up arms at that point. They could have continued talking. They could have come back to the table in a month, two months, etc. Israel had made the best offer the Palestinians had ever seen. What was the response? Violence.

And now you say Israel should respond to the violence with talks.

Maybe it was a good offer, but why does that mean they have to take it? "It's the best offer you'll get. Take it or leave it."

Well frikken hell, Jerusalem being a big contender, why not give the east side including their mosque? *This* was the one of the major reasons for failure - Israel would not budge on Jerusalem. Why not?

and then there's the refugees.... why refuse their return?

Buzzy I understand that you and your Hamas brethren would never accept any peace deal that does not include Arab control of Tel Aviv and Haifa but surely you don't expect the Jews to just throw themselves into the sea?

Regardless of historical claims Israel cannot realistically be expected to surrender its right to exist no matter how many supporters Hamas has in the UN and the EU. Even if the whole world hates the Jews you cannot expect us to commit suicide. Why would we ever deny our own right to exist?

All descendants of Palestinian refugees are considered refugees. The cards are stacked against Israel so that this problem never ends. If Israel grants all the refugees right of return within one generation there will be no Jewish homeland. Basically you are calling for the death of Israel by giving right of return to Arabs.

Hamas dosen't run the west bank.

nice try

Jews have alot of options. Pay for the land they are on, allow the arabs to return to live with them, they can return to Russia and Georgia, they can set up their own state in Alaska.

and then there's the refugees.... why refuse their return?

Ahah - I wondered if it would bite. Herein lies the problem. Sign your own death, even if it is the logical rational choice. You know, the term 'refugees' was chosen for a very good reason.

Arafat had his major flaws and his very good points too. Like most leaders.

However, he's dead, and you came into this starkly against my statement about negotiation being a way to solve this problem. So, negotiation is now off the table and violence is the only solution, because of stuff a dead man did? Because if so, you simply favour the 'parking lot' creation ignorantly suggested by someone else in this thread

Usually negotiation is off the table when under fire. A cease fire was suppose to restore calm. That didn't happen. Israel took up arms. No one faults anyone for taking up arms against Israel. Only when Israel retaliates. Why is that?

I wonder what your country would do if it was constantly shelled and missiles were sent over the border ? Just lie there and take it ? Don't think so asshole.
You got to do what you got to do to get rid of terror.

EXACTLY.

What if Mexican drug lords started tossing missiles from TJ into San Diego? You bet your ass we've invade. Sorry Charlie, tossing up unguided missiles into another country is an act of war, plain and simple.

That's not to say that the Palestinians don't have rights; They do.

No one faults anyone for taking up arms against Israel. Only when Israel retaliates. Why is that?

because you must live in some fairy tale land. Here on earth i havent heard one person on gfy or the news say they are ok with hamas shooting rockets into israel. I think everyone is saying pretty much the same thing just some people have a hard time understanding it i guess. I think most people can generally agree with the following statement . "its never okay to kill babies" . Both sides are still doing it, the big difference is israel is killing alot more babies, which of course seems strange because israel supposedly aims for bad guys yet kills more civilians, hamas supposedly aims for civilians yet kills way less of them.

I think dave chappelle said it best " theys is fukkin up"

EXACTLY.

What if Mexican drug lords started tossing missiles from TJ into San Diego? .

show this to chappelle for me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrZMvOPfCvs

he said your video is pure propoganda, he said anyone who cant figure that out is a moron

Israel uses mines , hamas uses mines. israel breaks international laws hamas breaks international laws. Lets send some high tech nightvision gear to hamas and see what they could record..

Remember gaza is about the size of 3 disneyworlds with over a million people in it , not a very big area. Its not like they can put their millitary/soldiers far away from anything.

Palestinians are raised to hate from a very young age.

suicide bombers aren't un educated dumb asses as you'd think but rather highly educated in the US or Brit ivey league schools paid for by people just liek yourself that "felt" for they're cause ..

I ask you, How will killing innocent people help they're freedom.

They had it right once on 9 11. Go for the jugular, make it hurt, make it very public and maybe they will get the message

the hatred you know is simple, it doesn't reside deep in you and in your ancestry.

where were your voices when millions of jews and blacks we're being murdered by Nazi.

"3 Disneyworlds with over a million people in it" and you still want to know why civilians are getting hit?

yes , if we had some nutjobs at disneyworld with some rockets we wouldnt bomb the shit out of everyone there. if we did i would say " why did you do that , next time don't"

Maybe the UN can keep the peace. They are so good at it.

what are you 3 years old ? thats the last time my daughter threw temper tantrums when she lost an argument.


If you don't like muslims then fuck you and beware, muslims have nukes now.
So fuck off and move on...

Oh why don't you fuck off you self righteous hypocrite