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The best part about these threads is that everyone is trying to beat the tubes.
If there was a tube site in the Alexa top 50 giving away stolen Hollywood movies and TV shows it would get shut down in 30 days or less.jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs ConvertComment
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Your question didnt say paysite and its certainly not for free.
While your there get your own legal tube site too....
http://tubefeeder.aebn.net/Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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I agree 100%. Look at our industry. You have far too many large programs going around saying FUCK THE SURFER! The surfer rarely is treated properly for the money they pay us. And now we are crying when they are turning around and going to tube sites for their porn. It's our own fault.
That said those of us producing and delivering content that the members are requesting and desiring are still doing very well.Comment
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and what about that fuckers who buy the content and share on their shitty tubesites 40 min long movies?
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I know you are young but I assume you remember the dot com boom? They said everything on the net was going to be free and ads will pay for it all it failed.That basic business principles dont apply anymore an they were wrong.
The problem is too few of the big players are willing to draw aline in the sand. Companies basically fund illegal tubes,forum, p2p with ads and they are still embraced by this industry. Do you see how not smart of move that is?
Also porn survived because it was sold behind closed doors and darkened windows. Give it all away and eventually it will be banned off the net. Also that guy who wrote the article sells nothing so his opinion matters why?Comment
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PS: This is why Twistys has kicked so much ass and why so many other companies fail miserably. COmpanies like Twistys and FTV have out performed the likes of Playboy and Hustler and many of the so called big programs by huge margins and how did they do it? They delivered a service that thier audiences expects when shelling out cash.
Do many of you honestly think some affilaite program that just jumps on the scene with 20 niches buys a fucken GFY skin and says go get em actually makes it huge? Those companies are dead already and are a dime a dozen.
Guys that know thier niche well do very well and thats why many of you scratch yer heads wondering how do people make it in this business! Its easy. Know your audience, enjoy what you do and really focus on providing a quality service to your intended audience. Surfers can give two shits about 20 site pass deals these days.
Sorry to gush about Twisty's yet again Shap but what you do is exemplery in providing what your audiences want, I can say the same about Castle Archives as well I suppose
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I know it didn't. That was my mistake.
If I'm not mistaken AEBN works on a VOD model right? I work on a paysite model which relies heavily on retention. There is no doubt AEBN relies on repeat business as well. However in the VOD market as far as I know the key to repeat business is great content delivered efficiently during the time period that the surfer is paying for. Also all those that AEBN competes with use DRM as well. I believe Adult Rental and Hot Movies both do (I may be wrong).
I asked my question because Twistys is a Top Tier site. We compete with other Top Tier sites. I research and watch very carefully what our competition is doing. From my research not a single one of our competitors is using DRM. Also, our research with our members shows that our members don't want it either. You add those two together and my conclusion is if I want Twistys to remain a Top Tier paysite I can not use DRM at this moment.Comment
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Of course it's a huge mistake as an industry. The problem is for every long term minded person in this industry there are 100 short term minded people willing to burn everything to the ground to make a quick buck. No matter what you and I take a stand on there will always be a line up of others willing to take that business. From tubes, to p2p, to beastiality, to spam, to cross sales, to straight up fraud. No matter what I think is wrong someone else has no problem with it and will fund it.Comment
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it wont beat you those who are going to pay are going to pay. People forget how much of that golden tube traffic is even old enough to have a credit card ?
I think if you have what people that buy porn want and dont fuck them. You will keep making a living til governments start filtering us all off the net because of the tubefest that's coming. I think we are losing the middle of the roaders that used to pay but now there is a easy way to get a free fix.They are gone.
I dont understand you keep talking about free is the way its going but you say you are having banner months. That means people buy your product in large numbers. Dont believe the hype of free is the answer.Comment
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Youve answered your own question.
We all should work toward repeat customers and overdeliver what we promise.
As a video site when the studios movies are ripped off everyone pays the price.
The problem is that in the past the masses have championed those that have fucked the surfer on he promise of higher payouts and lavish parties. We now see the result from that business model.
Zango,toolbars,hidden prechecked cross sales, tours with models that arent inside the site... the list goes on and on.
Treat your customers well and things will fix themselves.
And yes Twistys does do this. What little traffic I have sent there in the past has converted and retained well.
If you want to stop all the nonsense then most of us need to stop doing business with others that rip off the surfer. But Im afraid there are too many here that are more worried about being being percieved as a pimp and a baller.Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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Thanks I appreciate it. And you are 100% right. I met with a number of site owners in Vegas that are doing the same as us and you know what? Business isn't hurting. I should say there is one very common thing that all companies share... We all are working harder than ever. Pleasing a member has never been as much work as it is today. It takes a lot of work however the reward still makes that hard work well worth it.PS: This is why Twistys has kicked so much ass and why so many other companies fail miserably. COmpanies like Twistys and FTV have out performed the likes of Playboy and Hustler and many of the so called big programs by huge margins and how did they do it? They delivered a service that thier audiences expects when shelling out cash.
Do many of you honestly think some affilaite program that just jumps on the scene with 20 niches buys a fucken GFY skin and says go get em actually makes it huge? Those companies are dead already and are a dime a dozen.
Guys that know thier niche well do very well and thats why many of you scratch yer heads wondering how do people make it in this business! Its easy. Know your audience, enjoy what you do and really focus on providing a quality service to your intended audience. Surfers can give two shits about 20 site pass deals these days.
Sorry to gush about Twisty's yet again Shap but what you do is exemplery in providing what your audiences want, I can say the same about Castle Archives as well I supposeComment
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The sad thing is tubes are doing 1% the damage these companies banging cards are doing. I estimate at least 25,000 to 40,000 surfers a day who joined a paysite are getting hit with fraudulent charges. Those are all people that will NEVER EVER EVER join a paysite again. The cost is a huge hit to you and I meanwhile these assholes are making millions stealing from people.Comment
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I agree, we get guys who write us and want promises we are not going to hit their credit card with a bunch of charges. Its very fucked up. OR my friend had a guy bought $250 worth of clips from her clips4sale store. He writes her looking for more. She feels bad and tells him join my site you get them all for $24.95. He said he was burned so bad he will never join a membership site again.Comment
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I don't think free is the way to go. But I'm very aware that things are being pushed towards free. So I'm adapting and changing our business model to accommodate for that and that has led to us improving our product. We are working harder than ever and producing and delivering a better product yet still charging the same cost. So again there is the push towards free in action. We are not offering Twistys for free but every month that goes by our members enjoy more than ever before.
Bandwidth is a huge example of that. We are able to make more now than 2 years ago because bandwidth has come down so much it's allowing us to do things that never before were possible. We can burn 4 and 5 times the bandwidth that we did 2 years ago for the same price. If used properly that is a huge advantage to building and increasing business.
I won't lie. Prior to September we weren't having banner months. I would say Spring and summer were somewhat rough for us. Our sales and revenue were completely flat lined. When we saw that we decided to dig deeper and really analyze our company and where the industry is and where it is going. We worked very hard to reposition ourselves and try to adapt to the new reality our industry is faced with. As a result we've had back to back record sales, rebills and revenue months in November and December.Last edited by Shap; 01-17-2009, 11:59 AM.Comment
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You obviously have absolutely no idea as to what's happening. When the FTC, The Government, Visa, and Mastercard get involved there is a MAJOR problem. Tube sites aren't attracting legal prosecution and change the way the rampant credit card fraud is. Our industry is about to go thru a major major change and it has absolutely nothing to do with Tube site.Comment
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Of course, they will be sued to death.
Adult industry is low hanging fruit.
You can signup to paysite for 5$, download member area, cancel membership, remove their watermark from videos and put your watermark, upload all videos to your tube site or upload videos to rapidshare and post links and screen caps on your forum.
You know what paysite owner would do ? He would start whining on GFY, thats all. And others would say - "adapt or die"Comment
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Btw BFT3K I was looking over your site. You really should improve your tour navigation and join process. I'm guessing you are losing 10 to 20% sales with your current setup.Comment
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If credit card companies get tired of chargebacks and fraud, then it will trickle down to the processing companies, and they will (hopefully) clamp down on the culprits. Perhaps you will not be able to find a processor that allows ANY cross sales in the near future - checked, unchecked, above or below the fold - none at all, which is fine by me.
On the other hand, the absurd proliferation of free porn, everywhere you look, with zero age verification, will ABSOLUTELY get the attention of govts the world over much sooner.
In a way I almost hope it comes to that, on both counts - no more cross sales, period - and no porn without a credit card for age verification. That would be cool by me!Comment
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forget about drm being any kind of solution. the aebn watermark is on a lot of tube videos & what Shap says about customers and drm is entirely accurate. even vod sites are going flash now.
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No more cross sales will happen eventually imo.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for porn without CC.
Btw it has nothing to do with a processor allowing it or not. When you own the processor you can do whatever you want. These guys aren't using ccbill and epoch to run their fraud.Comment
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What I dont understand is we have had so much innovation in our industry. Why a bullet proof drm never came out of that.The person who did that well and made in affordable would be very rich.Comment
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The most important thing is when someone clicks JOIN take them to the join. I would make that one of your priorities.
I go to bootie movies. Click join then get a pic that says click here to join all sites, then i go to pecker movies and have to click again. too many clicks. Cut down on that and it should add sales to your bottom line almost instantly.
Also, you preview trailers are dated. 1.2 meg trailer was ok in 2001. Make your trailers 640x480 (hopefully your members area video is that size as well) and at least 5 to 10megs in size. you'll see a HUGE HUGE jump in conversions.Comment
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All of the membership videos are at least 640x480, and many are now 720x480 as well. I hope to offer higher resolution clips later this year, but you are correct - my preview clips are all at half size.
I will take your advise Shap, on a number of the points you are making. I thank you again (for real) for your constructive criticism and suggestions.Comment
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I would still really love to have someone show me some examples of how everything naturally moves towards being free. And no, linking to a 2 year old article in Wired doesn't count.
Where is all this free shit? I pay more for every single thing than I did 10 years ago.
10 years ago I had maybe 1 or 2 non-essential monthly bills. Now I have like 20.
10 years ago I had a blockbuster card. Now I have a blockbuster card, a netflix membership, I buy shows from itunes. Where the fuck is all this free shit everyone seems so convinced the market is moving towards?
Show me examples where valuable content turned free and was a huge success.jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs ConvertComment
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I'm a prick to people who have been a prick to me....
But now that we have decided for me to keep my black mouth shut, make sure that you keep your white hole shut when it comes to me and you will never get a harsh comment from me again.Comment
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Very niche product and their success doesn't change the reality of our situation. If I start using DRM a very significant percentage of my members will switch to another paysite that doesn't. I worked too hard to get those members to just push them out the door now.
Btw thanks for mentioning them. I'm going to check it out and see what they are doing ;)Comment
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