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01-05-2009, 04:12 PM

Boy, 4, shoots babysitter for stepping on his foot

JACKSON, Ohio ? Police say a 4-year-old boy in southern Ohio shot his babysitter because the sitter accidentally stepped on his foot. Police said 18-year-old Nathan Beavers and several other teenagers were babysitting several young children in a mobile home in Jackson on Sunday when the shooting occurred.

Witnesses told police the 4-year-old retrieved the shotgun from a bedroom closet and shot Beavers. Police said the child was angry because Beavers accidentally stepped on his foot.

Beavers was hospitalized with minor pellet wounds to his arm and side.

Police say another teen was also injured with shotgun pellets.

Jackson County Sheriff John Shashteen said authorities are investigating the shooting. The child has not been charged.

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01-05-2009, 04:15 PM

Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

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01-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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01-05-2009, 04:18 PM

clearly, the answer is more target practice, that 4 year old should have gotten a headshot, geez. what's this world coming to.
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01-05-2009, 04:19 PM

Guns should be kept in secure locked cabinets, while kids are around at least

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01-05-2009, 04:21 PM

Yea, nobody talks about the people who were all killed when guys pushed their way into their house, or some poor schmuck who has his kid stolen at knife point. Nobody talks about the fact that gun crimes are much much lower in states that do not have licensing restrictions...But some complete asshole leaves a gun laying around and all guns are bad.

If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

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01-05-2009, 04:24 PM

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If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

No but they have found a way to make lighters ridiculously difficult to light especially with damp fingers.

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01-05-2009, 04:29 PM

Blame the parents for letting him to get access to it.

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01-05-2009, 04:32 PM

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If the kid set the house on fire should we outlaw fire?

well if you remember when BEavis and Butthead first came out,

fire fire fire is good

some little kid burnt his house down with a bic lighter

then later on all disposable lighters require a safety, fucking pain in the ass
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01-05-2009, 04:34 PM

Kids in a trailer park in Southern Ohio? The only tragedy here is that the kid didn't get a clean shot and then turn the rifle on himself...

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01-05-2009, 04:36 PM

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well if you remember when BEavis and Butthead first came out,

fire fire fire is good

some little kid burnt his house down with a bic lighter

then later on all disposable lighters require a safety, fucking pain in the ass

I rarely see a disposable lighter with a safety.

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01-05-2009, 04:36 PM

Gun freaks are pathetic.

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01-05-2009, 04:38 PM

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I rarely see a disposable lighter with a safety.

bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably
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01-05-2009, 04:46 PM

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Boy, 4, shoots babysitter for stepping on his foot

[I]JACKSON, Ohio – Police say a 4-year-old boy in southern Ohio shot his babysitter because the sitter accidentally stepped on his foot. Police said 18-year-old Nathan Beavers and several other teenagers were babysitting several young children in a mobile home in Jackson on Sunday when the shooting occurred.

solution: dont give poor people guns. or make it expensive so that they cant afford it
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01-05-2009, 04:47 PM

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bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably

You said all disposable lighters in you're statement, i know what bic is, had no idea the brand now has a safety feature in all it's lighters

if i need a lighter i dont give a shit what brand it is as long as it works, and like i said earlier i have not seen a safety disposable lighter in a long time.

for the record: I think all lighters should have safety on them.

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01-05-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by doridori

solution: dont give poor people guns. or make it expensive so that they cant afford it

Yup cause a mobile home always equal poor people.

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01-05-2009, 04:49 PM

"several young children in a mobile home in Jackson"

there you have your problem

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01-05-2009, 04:52 PM

What's the law in Ohio for something like this? Isn't the gun owner responsible for the safety of his firearm?

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01-05-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Warren

You said all disposable lighters in you're statement, i know what bic is, had no idea the brand now has a safety feature in all it's lighters

if i need a lighter i dont give a shit what brand it is as long as it works, and like i said earlier i have not seen a safety disposable lighter in a long time.

Bic has a metal spring tab on top of the roller that makes it harder to press down to turn the roller

The cheaper ones the roller is spring loaded so you have to press down on it

You just never realized that they were safety's, because that's why they designed them like that.

Like I said, you have seen them, just you really didn't know what it was.

No big deal, just stating facts.

BTW: It's a federal law, so yes they ALL HAVE THEM
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01-05-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by MaDalton

"several young children in a mobile home in Jackson"

there you have your problem

The problem is an irresponsible gun owner not the children, the mobile home or the city of Jackson.

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01-05-2009, 04:58 PM

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01-05-2009, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Sagi_AFF

The problem is an irresponsible gun owner not the children, the mobile home or the city of Jackson.

actually people should not have guns - but i know that i will always be a minority with this opinion on here

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01-05-2009, 05:01 PM

The small penis gun theory is old, played out and not accurate.

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01-05-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by BV

bullshit, all bic lighters have them, you just don't know what it is probably

I remember when they used to have the protective add-ons, but no longer in CA.
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01-05-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by MaDalton

actually people should not have guns

Speak for yourself.
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01-05-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by BV

Bic has a metal spring tab on top of the roller that makes it harder to press down to turn the roller

The cheaper ones the roller is spring loaded so you have to press down on it

You just never realized that they were safety's, because that's why they designed them like that.

Like I said, you have seen them, just you really didn't know what it was.

No big deal, just stating facts.

BTW: It's a federal law, so yes they ALL HAVE THEM

Got ya, they need to do better though.

kids come in all shapes and sizes and it does not take too much pressure to get a disposable to work, infact i would think a kid would see it as a challenge.

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01-05-2009, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Speak for yourself.

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01-05-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by baddog

I remember when they used to have the protective add-ons, but no longer in CA.

yes both of those have safetys, CA has nothing to do with it. Those are the same ones here on this side :-)
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01-05-2009, 05:09 PM

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Speak for yourself.

huh?

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01-05-2009, 05:09 PM

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Got ya, they need to do better though.

kids come in all shapes and sizes and it does not take too much pressure to get a disposable to work, infact i would think a kid would see it as a challenge.

i think it has something to do with a baby or young toddler age child that doesn't know better, or might not even know what a lighter is.

a baby will have a hard time

a 7 year old will light them no problem
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01-05-2009, 05:14 PM

Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

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01-05-2009, 05:41 PM

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Happy new year brother I missed you this new year's eve, we had a cool night, hope you had a great night

Spent it medicated, but enjoyable. I was just thinking of you earlier today. Hope all is well. Coming to Vegas?
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01-05-2009, 05:45 PM

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Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

you are owned again, lol

Are you talking about the red lever? That is not really a safety. More of a valved release. I don't recall Bic ever not having that. How else would you release the gas?

They used to have those levers you had to push in in order to engage the valve. Not sure what happened to those.
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01-05-2009, 05:45 PM

Gun control laws would not have prevented this accident so it isn't even worth talking about. Even in countries with gun-control and in proposed American gun-control laws, shotguns are legal and fine to have. The problem in this incident was the weapon was not properly stored... no law would have prevented that. That is just stupidity.

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01-05-2009, 06:08 PM

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Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

Ding. Nothing more needed to be said in this thread.

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01-05-2009, 06:33 PM

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Why try to even make this into an anti gun argument?
Obviously it was just non responsible gun owners and if anything an argument for more responsible ownership and the use of trigger locks - especially if you have kids.

And the point of strict gun laws is to make it virtually impossible for irresponsible people to get their hands on guns.

Hell, even here in The Netherlands, people can legally own guns. But they'll have to spend a year getting the license (which includes joining a shooting club for courses and such), and if there's any indication whatsoever that they might not be responsible weapon owners, they still won't get a license.

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01-05-2009, 06:58 PM

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Spent it medicated, but enjoyable. I was just thinking of you earlier today. Hope all is well. Coming to Vegas?

We could of medicated together, everything is cool thanks, I'm not sure about Vegas yet, I always come back sick, will let you know though.

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01-05-2009, 07:14 PM

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Baddog, see how dumb you are. You thought posted pics of lighters without safetys.

you are owned again, lol

I cant understand why you are saying Baddog is dumb, so the press down of the flint wheel makes the lighter safe in your opinion?

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01-05-2009, 07:21 PM

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Are you talking about the red lever? That is not really a safety. More of a valved release. I don't recall Bic ever not having that. How else would you release the gas?

They used to have those levers you had to push in in order to engage the valve. Not sure what happened to those.

no no no
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on the net billing lighter (bic)
the metal spring tab that wraps around the center of the thumbwheel
that is a safety

before that they had a plastic piece that had to be released in order to depress the valve

the metal tab is the new version a couple years old

the metal spring requires more pressure to spin the wheel

the other lighter in your pics
the thumbwheel is spring loaded and has to be pressed down a ways in order to make contact with the flint

here is a nice video to help you along in this great challenge
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01-05-2009, 07:25 PM

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Gun control laws would not have prevented this accident so it isn't even worth talking about. Even in countries with gun-control and in proposed American gun-control laws, shotguns are legal and fine to have. The problem in this incident was the weapon was not properly stored... no law would have prevented that. That is just stupidity.

I think the problem is Ohio (and some other states) need to have proper gun storage laws. Here in Canada the minimum requirements for storage of a shotgun or rifle is a trigger lock, with the ammo stored separately. If you don't have a trigger lock on it, then it has to be in a locked cabinet. I personally have a gun safe.

Guns are great, but they need to be kept out of little kid's hands until they can be taught how to use them safely.
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01-05-2009, 07:29 PM

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And the point of strict gun laws is to make it virtually impossible for irresponsible people to get their hands on guns.

Hell, even here in The Netherlands, people can legally own guns. But they'll have to spend a year getting the license (which includes joining a shooting club for courses and such), and if there's any indication whatsoever that they might not be responsible weapon owners, they still won't get a license.

Even shotguns?

My original point still stands though.

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01-05-2009, 07:32 PM

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I think the problem is Ohio (and some other states) need to have proper gun storage laws. Here in Canada the minimum requirements for storage of a shotgun or rifle is a trigger lock, with the ammo stored separately. If you don't have a trigger lock on it, then it has to be in a locked cabinet. I personally have a gun safe.

Guns are great, but they need to be kept out of little kid's hands until they can be taught how to use them safely.

that's a stupid law

that not only keeps them out of little kids hands but also out of your hands in case you need it quickly

i'm not saying leave them laying around on the coffee table or anything but keeping every gun you own locked up and unloaded is stupid

unless of course the next home invasion they call ahead and let you know they are coming

that's a great idea

they should just make 2257 laws for criminals,
all robbers must first keep a record of every house they break in to.

that will stop all robberies and then no one would need any firearms to protect themselves :-}

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01-05-2009, 07:36 PM

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no no no
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you are that slow?

on the net billing lighter (bic)
the metal spring tab that wraps around the center of the thumbwheel
that is a safety

before that they had a plastic piece that had to be released in order to depress the valve

the metal tab is the new version a couple years old

the metal spring requires more pressure to spin the wheel

the other lighter in your pics
the thumbwheel is spring loaded and has to be pressed down a ways in order to make contact with the flint

here is a nice video to help you along in this great challenge

As a non-smoker I have limited use of lighters. Upon closer inspection I see that there is a spring there. Much better option than the clip they used to use.

I will be sure to consult with you re: all things child proof.
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01-05-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by evildick

I think the problem is Ohio (and some other states) need to have proper gun storage laws. Here in Canada the minimum requirements for storage of a shotgun or rifle is a trigger lock, with the ammo stored separately. If you don't have a trigger lock on it, then it has to be in a locked cabinet. I personally have a gun safe.

Guns are great, but they need to be kept out of little kid's hands until they can be taught how to use them safely.

Right, but how exactly do they enforce that law? Do they inspect your home randomly? Or is it based on the trust system and if you get caught shooting someone then you also get hit with that charge as well?

I highly doubt all Canadians meet those minimum requirements. There is no way to enforce such a law. That is why gun control laws would not have done anything to prevent this incident. The parents should have had the weapon out of the child's reach, period. This is an "idiot incident", we don't need another 10 laws trying to prevent something like this happening again when common sense can't even prevent it.

Stupid people... that's all it was.

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01-05-2009, 07:42 PM

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that's a stupid law

that not only keeps them out of little kids hands but also out of your hands in case you need it quickly

i'm not saying leave them laying around on the coffee table or anything but keeping them locked up and unloaded is stupid

unless of course the next home invasion they call ahead and let you know they are coming

If that 4 year old had loaded a slug in that gun, I doubt anyone involved would have thought that was a stupid law. I can't believe you think forcing people to keep their guns locked is a stupid law.

There's nothing stopping you from keeping your shotgun under your bed with your ammo in your nightstand right beside you. Just keep the key in the bedroom with you where a kid can't get at it.

If you don't have time to grab a key in your bedroom chances are your going to get killed before you even know what's going on anyway.

I keep a pistol grip Mossberg beside my bed (with trigger lock on) and I have a nice bayonet on the end of it in case I need to get pokey.
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01-05-2009, 07:44 PM

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As a non-smoker I have limited use of lighters. Upon closer inspection I see that there is a spring there. Much better option than the clip they used to use.

I will be sure to consult with you re: all things child proof.

a basic rule of thumb in life is:

if you have limited knowledge of something stay the fuck out of the conversation and especially don't go take pics of it and post them in the thread trying to be Mr smarty pants.

(however in this case i enjoyed watching you stick your foot in your mouth }

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01-05-2009, 07:46 PM

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If that 4 year old had loaded a slug in that gun, I doubt anyone involved would have thought that was a stupid law. I can't believe you think forcing people to keep their guns locked is a stupid law.

There's nothing stopping you from keeping your shotgun under your bed with your ammo in your nightstand right beside you. Just keep the key in the bedroom with you where a kid can't get at it.

If you don't have time to grab a key in your bedroom chances are your going to get killed before you even know what's going on anyway.

I keep a pistol grip Mossberg beside my bed (with trigger lock on) and I have a nice bayonet on the end of it in case I need to get pokey.

So you think guns should be locked up but have no problem with a bayonet sitting next to your bed? LOL.

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01-05-2009, 07:47 PM

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Right, but how exactly do they enforce that law? Do they inspect your home randomly? Or is it based on the trust system and if you get caught shooting someone then you also get hit with that charge as well?

I highly doubt all Canadians meet those minimum requirements. There is no way to enforce such a law. That is why gun control laws would not have done anything to prevent this incident. The parents should have had the weapon out of the child's reach, period. This is an "idiot incident", we don't need another 10 laws trying to prevent something like this happening again when common sense can't even prevent it.

Stupid people... that's all it was.

They enforce it when they see it happen. For instance, this family in Ohio would lose all their guns and be charged. Nothing will happen in this case, since there is no law on the books.

And yes, if police are called to your house for an incident involving a firearm then they are going to inspect your storage methods. If you are not following the rules then you get charged, possibly losing your firearms.

Seeing people charged with stuff like that acts as a deterrent for most people, even though it should be common sense already.

But I agree, they were stupid and stupid people probably aren't going to care anyway.
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01-05-2009, 07:49 PM

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I think the problem is Ohio (and some other states) need to have proper gun storage laws. Here in Canada the minimum requirements for storage of a shotgun or rifle is a trigger lock, with the ammo stored separately. If you don't have a trigger lock on it, then it has to be in a locked cabinet. I personally have a gun safe.

Guns are great, but they need to be kept out of little kid's hands until they can be taught how to use them safely.

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01-05-2009, 07:49 PM

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So you think guns should be locked up but have no problem with a bayonet sitting next to your bed? LOL.

Ya, it's hard for a kid to blow his head off or kill someone else accidentally with a bayonet. If I had small kids in the house then I wouldn't have it laying around either. It's just a knife. Do you have steak knives in your kitchen?

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