choker just said that tube traffic is twice as productive as TGP or MGP traffic

I don't see why its not entirely possible.

It is..........But i think such traffic wont convert as tgp or mgp traffic

depends on the definition of "productive"...

It can't be any worse

Must be so productive that regular SERP traffic just can't compete with it!

Productivity just means the surfers stay longer ... and no shit.


He's comparing apples to basketballs.

If productive means converts better -- no.

For me, on the _EXACT_ same sponsors, the _EXACT_ same sites, itube traffic converts just about twice as well as MGP/TGP traffic. That's over a fairly large sample too over about an entire year.

You know, I was thinking about this...a regular purchaser of porn was telling me that he liked TGP's better because TGP/MGP give you a bunch of pics/vids of the same scene. My guess is that it's usually enough to "finish" which is what the customer wants afterall. While tube sites have a huge amount of content, it seems that they do not usually have all of the videos in a specific set in the same place, so you may get one or two clips from a specific scene. maybe this drives the customer to purchase to get the entire scene and "finish". Just a thought. There may be some truth to it.

fuck.

god damn it so i need a fucking tube site.

I dont think it really translates well to actual joins, at least that has been our experience...

No offence, but choker makes a living selling traffic. Do you really think he would give you a 100% honest objective oppinion of his own product?

It's like saying that a Korean car is better than a Japanese, because the salesman said it was a "FACT"

It's choker's job to sell the traffic, and he does a good job


When it comes to being productive, I would guess it is, taking in to account the way surfers navigate the tubesites and the skim%

We know that.... the ones buying the traffic because they believe his marketingspeak are the newbs, and I agree, he does do a good job of selling traffic.

hit me up if you need help with that

Ofcourse the tube surfers are more productive. That's because the tube sites offer more free content with a better interface, thus the surfers will stay longer and click more.

It doesn't have anything to do with making more profit.

Just think of all the Zango joins you could have with a tube site.

Tube traffic has done well for many we've sold to... so there is some truth to this.

its something to think about

We're converting 1:648 for the last 3 months on our gay tube traffic.

as long as people can jack off for free on tubes or tgps with harcore the conversions will suck and if you do convert them they will cancel asap

who will know looks like

A big LOL. I'm surprised to even see that type of comment posted publicly. But I can't blame them, it's their business to say so.

I don't normally talk online much because I'm a believer of being silent but deadly, small talk but with big production, putting more energy to what I know and believe in... however today is a day to let some OBVIOUS shit out.

MGP/TGPs will always do better... it builds better impulse (tease) to buy. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that... really. The almighty formula people... IMPULSE = SALES. Tubes kill impulse... well at least for pay sites.

I have my content over many tube webmasters, they have yet to prove to me that it's productive enough to justify the bandwidth usage, amount of premium content they're asking for, free hosting, etc.... their requests goes on and on.

Traffic retention to the tube of course will be great, this is obvious... it's free, it's abundant, and length of videos are getting longer and longer.... so why is the industry whoring itself out I ask??? It's obvious, desperation for traffic over the other guy. But its traffic from surfers that we TRAINED NOT TO PAY for anything... so where's the gain?

It's like the 2 electronic stores on the same block that both advertises that they'll beat the other store's price so customers keep going back and forth... when does it end? When there's not profit left of course... stupidity IMO. People need to learn how to hold their ground and be smarter in their approach to build impulse to get the buyer, not kill the value of their product.

For pay sites, no matter how good your members content is, more people will opt to take the free ride to release their loads, even on shitty quality videos. Strong small niches can vary and will generally do better because of the lack of specific content online.

Flip side... let's say IF I believed that tubes converted well.. then I'd say that the tube must have mega huge traffic, top 5 at least (hopefully their bandwidth per megabit is cheaper than my daily cup of coffee) THEN your conversions might have some success due to a huge Law of Averages... just like how YouTube can churn up a SMALL profit which isn't very impressive... HOWEVER, more and more adult tubes are popping up everyday unlike mainstream YouTubes... which then brings back to destroying this possibility of adult conversions.

I'll stick with finding the paying types and give them what they want... the best shit money can buy and they?ll stick around. The rest of the world can go ahead and try to squeeze money out of 'spoiled' surfers that they created... and even then, I'm sure I'll come up with ways to make them eventually turn over their wallet. ;)

And for you tubemasters, domains tubezotic.com and tubepit.com is for sale... so how deep are your pockets really if you convert so well? LOL.


Peace, hope this finds you well.

Ben

Hah! Apples & Basketballs. Nice one! Good for a chuckle.

I have abandoned any TGPs I owned and that meant turning a 10k hit per day site
to a 1k hit per day site and the conversions went up.

However!!!!!

I also believe that I had the worst traffic trades in history on my TGPs and
that might be the real factor.

Google sure likes my tube better than my TGP. No doubt!!
But once again, maybe my TGP trades were so shitty that google was
penalizing me just for linking to them.

Older TGPs with loyal bookmarkers are probably doing just as good to keep everything
the same. But I wouldn't think that making a brand new TGP these days is better
than a tube....NO WAY!!!!

A self made gallery, uploaded gets X traffic, gets X clicks, and produces X sales. The total amount of gallery traffic, is high and normally not exposed to anything but the Gallery and back to the Gallery Post. A tube has so many more benefits, it's hard to list them.

A Tube, allows the traffic to hit the main site, offers the people other areas to click into, and can mix up advertising methods differently because of that. It's more people, on the source site, for more time.. staying on one site longer too.

If you are doing hosted galleries or allow submits, the gallery post splits the traffic with others and with submits, the money. With a Tube, it's all contained in one spot until the Visitor clicks to the sponsor. Giving traffic controller more abilities to convert the traffic, offer them something unique, and not send it to some place they don't control.

Then most decent tubes that can hold traffic, don't have blind trade scripts that rip the person away from what they are really wanting. So in the end, clean tubes give surfers more porn and faster than even the average clean gallery post ever could.

This increase in attention, produces more sales.. Not more free content viewers, more sales.. More happy people, not being jerked around.. happy to spend because they aren't pissed.

0 x 0 = 0

People I have no reason to tell you guys how it is other than to help you, its junk traffic

True!

Don't you think that depends on the tube.
Short clips on a tube is good traffic but 25min clips on a tube may be shit traffic.

And so would having a banner on every hosted gallery on a Gallery Post. You would be over exposed to the mix quickly and it would produce only a tiny amount of sales.

However, the tube owner still has far more advertising control, the ability to gain search traffic is far greater, and the fact that the main site does retain all the traffic. Is clear enough and logical enough to know that they would produce better results.

Slapping up tgps, with sponsor crap content, that auto rotates has never produced shit either. Just like tossing up a tube, with the same bs, crap templates as others will always produce crap results.

It's the few in between that have the volume or the skills that don't question it.

I spend money and test you guys sit and dream and think what should or would work, tube = junk

I find it interesting that you can test a tube site better then the guy running it.

Dogfart is converting my traffic but maybe your program will not.

Even though the biggest tubes probably have shit ratios, they make up for it with their volume, so in the end, it's all gravy.

they might be clickin' but they aren't buyin' anythin'....

lol you are full of shit!

Well said. I agree, I dont see how a surfer going to a place with 15 full scenes on the front page for free after blowing his load is going to whip out the credit card. Its like feeding a guy for free and then he is going to pay for another meal immediately after.
You tube has more traffic than most can imagine and can offer a more diverse assortment of ads than adult ever could and still cant make a profit.
Lots of traffic doesnt mean it converts,also how much of that traffic isnt old enough to even have a credit card and is just burning bandwidth.

I would say that has more to do with the typical tube site generating a separate page for each movie than sending it to a gallery that you aren't hosting.

This gives you more ad placement and a better chance to pull in more SE traffic. Somewhat like a blog in a sense..

MGP traffic has always been the worst of the worst IMO so comparing it to that, well pretty much anything would be better. I wouldn't have any problem at all believing that a typical legit tube site with short vids converted better than a typical MGP.

On TGP's it really just depends what you are running.. If you are running the typical heavy skim circle jerk sites then again that traffic sucks as well and probably isn't any better than a tube.

their traffic suck, however we can develop for you tube sites, or anything related to that
we have the engine the programmers etc

a demo can be seen at www.eatmystream.com

OK, I'm full of shit.

But I can look at your sites and see that they will not work with my traffic.

No sweat off your back though, it's not like I'm a whale and could send you 1000 joins.

But when you claim that you know what converts on youporn then I say you are
full of shit.

You only tested your shit.