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AFF Going Out of Business - what will you do?
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That part is how it works generally I believe. In the UK, Spain and Eire at least.all this vat thing is something i can't get
when a european company is selling to an american company, there s no vat, and vice verca
when a european customer buys from amazon us, then he has to pay VAT to get what he bought in his country post office (because of the customs)
Ultimately the seller is supposed to charge the customer the VAT on the purchase, he then pays that back to the government. The seller is just acting as a collector if you like.
Not sure how far back they would go either. I know the UK used to be able to get unpaid VAT upto 7 years back at least. Maybe that has changed.
The reason I think MaDalton mentioned 5 years is because I think it was 2003 that George W. signed the US up to this agreement.
If US companies haven't been charging the VAT in the first place to EU customers then they could potentially lose upwards of 25% of their income made from EU sales. 25% is the current highest VAT rate of any EU member country.Sharleen Spiteri - 1989 - In The AssComment
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This is a great thread and on the bigger picture, Paul nailed it
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LOLall this vat thing is something i can't get
when a european company is selling to an american company, there s no vat, and vice verca
when a european customer buys from amazon us, then he has to pay VAT to get what he bought in his country post office (because of the customs)
but if the same customer buys a virtual service, then it would be to the selling company to pay that VAT ? why ? it should be the customer which should pay the vat, like when he is buying physical stuff...no ?
also, i m not sure it would go 5 years back, because vat stuff has been moving a lot lately, but it was not working that same way even 3 years ago
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Bet they are not the only onesthank you, i was going to quote that too cause no one mentioned that so far. and it's a serious issue that i would say 99% of all others here do not care about either.
but if anyone wants to do some math: VAT is about 20% in most european countries
lets say 30% of their subscribers are from europe - thats about 50 million $ per year, 20% are 10 million $ they should have paid. now go back 5 years and you have 50 million $ in tax debts
Im not sure it would only go back 5 years, thats a matter for debate for people much more informed than me.
As far as I can tell, it would go back as far as that country where they were "evading tax" states, because the law in that country has always stated they need to pay the VAT.
So that could be a long way back, limited maybe to the record laws of VAT, which in the UK would be 7 years back tax, not sure how long it would be in other EU countries.
A LOT of webmasters and US based countries are in for a big shock.
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looks like it ...:
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Any official word from AFF??? I need a "canned" statement to feel better.ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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what makes people think that sexsearch and dating gold and tons of other knock offs that will spring out of no where won't snatch up those spots. i bet the fling people are salivating. nothing will change on tubes. they aren't going anywhere.You could very well be right. But I don't remember there being a whole lot of advertising in their members area. I haven't been in there in a few years though.
One way or another though, I would have to assume that the huge amounts of money that they threw out to build up traffic numbers is going to have to stop.
I personally wish AFF good things. Worked with them a long, long time and made good money together. But if they have to stop the pre-paid spots to torrents and illegit tubes I won't shed a tear. And it will help AFF to become solvent again while at the same time helping to send torrents and illegit tubes down the....tubes.Comment
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My only thought would be that it's played out. Maybe they will step up. But none of those companies have ever offered prepaid spots at the same money as aff was. So even if they do step in they won't pay the money that those sites are used to. And that's bad news for us tgp guys too, we're the ones who cut prepaid spots in the first place with sponsors long before torrent sites even existed. A lot of us don't have much traffic anymore (it's all at the illegit tube sites), but the tiny handful that still do are gonna feel the pinch too.-Robbie
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I'm not saying they did or did not. So what makes you think if they don't work for AFF they will work for a company selling the same product or even a company selling videos memberships?
I'm not saying they did or did not work, however it's clear that AFF was not the cash cow many think, including the people who bought it. It never produced the profits expected to clear the debts, which I suspect was the plan.
What people have to stop thinking is traffic is not king if it costs more than it returns. It's only good if it costs less to acquire than the surfers spend. Will Sexsearch, DG, Fling or anyone else buy the spots on the Tube sites?
Yes and unless we have the balls to bring down Tubes why should they not buy them? The price they pay will be governed by what the spots are worth. The days of funding adverts to look like a successful company are long gone.
Here are ways affiliates and sponsors can fight Tubes and bring down the effects Tubes have on them. One is to win back some of the paying members by giving them more. Two is by people sending traffic to companies supporting Tubes to stop sending it. Three is to start hitting Tube sites with so many DMCAs they have to employ people to deal with them and further strain their bottom line.
What will make no difference at all is just posting on GFY. And even with alzheimers I have more ideas than you.
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Spot on.My only thought would be that it's played out. Maybe they will step up. But none of those companies have ever offered prepaid spots at the same money as aff was. So even if they do step in they won't pay the money that those sites are used to. And that's bad news for us tgp guys too, we're the ones who cut prepaid spots in the first place with sponsors long before torrent sites even existed. A lot of us don't have much traffic anymore (it's all at the illegit tube sites), but the tiny handful that still do are gonna feel the pinch too.
Over the next 2-3 years the West is going into economic slow down and maybe worse. There will be millions of people looking at what they spend. People looking to buying porn memberships, joining dating and web cam sites and all this is going to make the Exec's at other companies look very long and hard for places to cut expenditure. Adverting on the Internet is one of those places and because it can be easily tracked advertisers know if it works.
While the people who might buy porn decide not to they will be still wanting porn to satisfy them. Tubes are an excellent place to do that. So with less advertising revenue and more surfers will the economy do what we were unable to do? Break the Tubes.
Time will tell.Comment
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a million dollars is worth shit for them... 1 million dollars if 0.2% of their debt.I wonder how much $$$ they would get for their domain names at Internext Expo auction in January? Cams.com would fetch at least a million dollars in my opinion.
A friend of mine met a ton of girls on AFF and said most just wanted sex like him...but stressed all those girls were fucked up in the head.
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WWC Bako - you fucking suck. Good luck selling the same content that is available for free on all those piracy sites AFF keeps in business.Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.Comment









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