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  • Pete-KT
    Workin With The Devil
    • Oct 2004
    • 51532

    #101
    bye bye TUBE SITES

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    • marketsmart
      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
      • Dec 2004
      • 20419

      #102
      Originally posted by Gnus
      I thought this statement was funny coming from a guy that promotes SexSearch in his sig. Sexsearch supported zango.



      Gary
      i did this for a friend.. i dont benefit from it..

      however, if sexsearch still supports zango, i will remove them from my sig immediately..

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      • Bhunter
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2006
        • 1119

        #103
        Originally posted by DamageX
        Throw a party.
        Same i was thinking of

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        • Qbert
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2004
          • 813

          #104
          Originally posted by DamageX
          Throw a party.
          A Crash & Burn Party. I like it.

          Everyone bring marshmallows to toast over the glowing embers.

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          • TheDA
            Confirmed User
            • May 2006
            • 4665

            #105
            Originally posted by SGx
            all this vat thing is something i can't get

            when a european company is selling to an american company, there s no vat, and vice verca

            when a european customer buys from amazon us, then he has to pay VAT to get what he bought in his country post office (because of the customs)
            That part is how it works generally I believe. In the UK, Spain and Eire at least.


            Originally posted by SGx
            but if the same customer buys a virtual service, then it would be to the selling company to pay that VAT ? why ? it should be the customer which should pay the vat, like when he is buying physical stuff...no ?
            Ultimately the seller is supposed to charge the customer the VAT on the purchase, he then pays that back to the government. The seller is just acting as a collector if you like.

            Originally posted by SGx
            also, i m not sure it would go 5 years back, because vat stuff has been moving a lot lately, but it was not working that same way even 3 years ago
            Not sure how far back they would go either. I know the UK used to be able to get unpaid VAT upto 7 years back at least. Maybe that has changed.

            The reason I think MaDalton mentioned 5 years is because I think it was 2003 that George W. signed the US up to this agreement.

            If US companies haven't been charging the VAT in the first place to EU customers then they could potentially lose upwards of 25% of their income made from EU sales. 25% is the current highest VAT rate of any EU member country.
            Sharleen Spiteri - 1989 - In The Ass

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            • johnuno11
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2007
              • 692

              #106
              Use AWE they're good converting. SEE SIG.
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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #107
                Originally posted by TheDA
                The reason I think MaDalton mentioned 5 years is because I think it was 2003 that George W. signed the US up to this agreement.
                Don't you just love that GWB?



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                • Stephen
                  Consigliere
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1771

                  #108
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  If we can't give the customer more for his $30 than what a Tube site gives him we are in the wrong. And if the customer only needs something that costs 2 cents to satisfy him, why are you charging him $30 in the first place?
                  This is a great thread and on the bigger picture, Paul nailed it

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                  • TheDA
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2006
                    • 4665

                    #109
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                    Don't you just love that GWB?
                    Yep. US webmasters that this applies to and are flying into the EU in 2009, I suggest you make your point-of-entry country one of the lower VAT rate countries first, maybe Cyprus, Luxembourg or Spain. It might save you a fortune
                    Sharleen Spiteri - 1989 - In The Ass

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                    • Johny Traffic
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 5461

                      #110
                      Originally posted by SGx
                      all this vat thing is something i can't get

                      when a european company is selling to an american company, there s no vat, and vice verca

                      when a european customer buys from amazon us, then he has to pay VAT to get what he bought in his country post office (because of the customs)
                      but if the same customer buys a virtual service, then it would be to the selling company to pay that VAT ? why ? it should be the customer which should pay the vat, like when he is buying physical stuff...no ?

                      also, i m not sure it would go 5 years back, because vat stuff has been moving a lot lately, but it was not working that same way even 3 years ago
                      LOL


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                      • Johny Traffic
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 5461

                        #111
                        Originally posted by MaDalton
                        thank you, i was going to quote that too cause no one mentioned that so far. and it's a serious issue that i would say 99% of all others here do not care about either.

                        but if anyone wants to do some math: VAT is about 20% in most european countries

                        lets say 30% of their subscribers are from europe - thats about 50 million $ per year, 20% are 10 million $ they should have paid. now go back 5 years and you have 50 million $ in tax debts
                        Bet they are not the only ones

                        Im not sure it would only go back 5 years, thats a matter for debate for people much more informed than me.

                        As far as I can tell, it would go back as far as that country where they were "evading tax" states, because the law in that country has always stated they need to pay the VAT.

                        So that could be a long way back, limited maybe to the record laws of VAT, which in the UK would be 7 years back tax, not sure how long it would be in other EU countries.

                        A LOT of webmasters and US based countries are in for a big shock.


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                        • Paul Markham
                          Too old to care
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 52942

                          #112
                          Originally posted by Stephen
                          This is a great thread and on the bigger picture, Paul nailed it
                          A truly crazy idea.



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                          • HAPPYPEEKERS
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 7566

                            #113
                            Originally posted by TarPy
                            incorrect. The 400 million was already PAID to lars and andrew, .
                            sorry, you are wrong
                            Please Read All Of My Posts In A Sarcastic Tone So You Get The Full Effect!!



                            HappyPeekers - April

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                            • directfiesta
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 30219

                              #114
                              Originally posted by Happypeekers
                              sorry, you are wrong
                              looks like it ...:

                              Bankrupt and racked with debt, Penthouse was acquired in 2004 by a group of investors led by entrepreneur Marc Bell. Bell's agenda for revitalizing the company evolved significantly last December when Penthouse acquired social-network behemoth Various, Inc. for $500 million in cash and stock.
                              http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/11...r-500-million/


                              And yes, Bell was involved in the fuckup of Ibill .... tough no mention of it on his wikipedia page
                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • TheSenator
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 13330

                                #115
                                Any official word from AFF??? I need a "canned" statement to feel better.
                                ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                                • samlowry
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 144

                                  #116
                                  Guys, $ 130 AFF pay per initial order only, report said about 1M users, who pay last 9 months every month about $ 19. Not so bad, I think, not so bad.
                                  Sell Different!
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                                  • MrBro
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Nov 2007
                                    • 323

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                    You could very well be right. But I don't remember there being a whole lot of advertising in their members area. I haven't been in there in a few years though.

                                    One way or another though, I would have to assume that the huge amounts of money that they threw out to build up traffic numbers is going to have to stop.

                                    I personally wish AFF good things. Worked with them a long, long time and made good money together. But if they have to stop the pre-paid spots to torrents and illegit tubes I won't shed a tear. And it will help AFF to become solvent again while at the same time helping to send torrents and illegit tubes down the....tubes.
                                    what makes people think that sexsearch and dating gold and tons of other knock offs that will spring out of no where won't snatch up those spots. i bet the fling people are salivating. nothing will change on tubes. they aren't going anywhere.

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                                    • MrBro
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Nov 2007
                                      • 323

                                      #118
                                      paul markam has alzheimers. either that or he's just really clueless.

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                                      • Robbie
                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 20960

                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by MrBro
                                        what makes people think that sexsearch and dating gold and tons of other knock offs that will spring out of no where won't snatch up those spots. i bet the fling people are salivating. nothing will change on tubes. they aren't going anywhere.
                                        My only thought would be that it's played out. Maybe they will step up. But none of those companies have ever offered prepaid spots at the same money as aff was. So even if they do step in they won't pay the money that those sites are used to. And that's bad news for us tgp guys too, we're the ones who cut prepaid spots in the first place with sponsors long before torrent sites even existed. A lot of us don't have much traffic anymore (it's all at the illegit tube sites), but the tiny handful that still do are gonna feel the pinch too.
                                        -Robbie
                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                        • Overload
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2005
                                          • 3185

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                          good news, every shady sponsor using zango and so on should go down.
                                          DANGO ZANGO! right to the money! anyone involved with ZANGO
                                          shud be struck by lightning!
                                          There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.

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                                          • Paul Markham
                                            Too old to care
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 52942

                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by MrBro
                                            what makes people think that sexsearch and dating gold and tons of other knock offs that will spring out of no where won't snatch up those spots. i bet the fling people are salivating. nothing will change on tubes. they aren't going anywhere.
                                            I'm not saying they did or did not. So what makes you think if they don't work for AFF they will work for a company selling the same product or even a company selling videos memberships?

                                            I'm not saying they did or did not work, however it's clear that AFF was not the cash cow many think, including the people who bought it. It never produced the profits expected to clear the debts, which I suspect was the plan.

                                            What people have to stop thinking is traffic is not king if it costs more than it returns. It's only good if it costs less to acquire than the surfers spend. Will Sexsearch, DG, Fling or anyone else buy the spots on the Tube sites?

                                            Yes and unless we have the balls to bring down Tubes why should they not buy them? The price they pay will be governed by what the spots are worth. The days of funding adverts to look like a successful company are long gone.

                                            Here are ways affiliates and sponsors can fight Tubes and bring down the effects Tubes have on them. One is to win back some of the paying members by giving them more. Two is by people sending traffic to companies supporting Tubes to stop sending it. Three is to start hitting Tube sites with so many DMCAs they have to employ people to deal with them and further strain their bottom line.

                                            What will make no difference at all is just posting on GFY. And even with alzheimers I have more ideas than you.



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                                            • Paul Markham
                                              Too old to care
                                              • Jun 2001
                                              • 52942

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                              My only thought would be that it's played out. Maybe they will step up. But none of those companies have ever offered prepaid spots at the same money as aff was. So even if they do step in they won't pay the money that those sites are used to. And that's bad news for us tgp guys too, we're the ones who cut prepaid spots in the first place with sponsors long before torrent sites even existed. A lot of us don't have much traffic anymore (it's all at the illegit tube sites), but the tiny handful that still do are gonna feel the pinch too.
                                              Spot on.

                                              Over the next 2-3 years the West is going into economic slow down and maybe worse. There will be millions of people looking at what they spend. People looking to buying porn memberships, joining dating and web cam sites and all this is going to make the Exec's at other companies look very long and hard for places to cut expenditure. Adverting on the Internet is one of those places and because it can be easily tracked advertisers know if it works.

                                              While the people who might buy porn decide not to they will be still wanting porn to satisfy them. Tubes are an excellent place to do that. So with less advertising revenue and more surfers will the economy do what we were unable to do? Break the Tubes.

                                              Time will tell.



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                                              • tranza
                                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 57559

                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by Rockatansky
                                                blame the tubes!
                                                agree with you...
                                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                                • l0lf4c3
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2008
                                                  • 574

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                  My take on this whole thing is that it proves traffic is not king.
                                                  Wow. Amazing.

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                                                  • TarPy
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                    • 758

                                                    #125
                                                    Are we going to hear anything about this from an AFF or Penthouse representitive?
                                                    Not Working

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                                                    • MisterSark
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                      • 109

                                                      #126
                                                      They dropped payout after all to 75.

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                                                      • VicD
                                                        ICQ: 304-611-162
                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                        • 13245

                                                        #127
                                                        I hardly promote them anymore..

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                                                        • DynamiteJohnson
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Aug 2008
                                                          • 38

                                                          #128
                                                          Bahahahahah!!!! AFF

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                                                          • BAKO
                                                            Don’t be a short Imp
                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                            • 18483

                                                            #129
                                                            That Wont happend ever
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                                                            • collegeboobies
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 3644

                                                              #130
                                                              this was a funny thread

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                                                              • markethustler
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • Apr 2009
                                                                • 53

                                                                #131
                                                                Join LoadedCash and your traffic will convert the best!

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                                                                • jesse_adultdatingdollars
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                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                  • 2197

                                                                  #132
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                                                                  • Rangermoore
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2009
                                                                    • 1541

                                                                    #133
                                                                    Reminds me of the movie "Boiler Room"....lol

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                                                                    • Klen
                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                      • 32234

                                                                      #134
                                                                      Looks like aff still working fine.

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                                                                      • brassmonkey
                                                                        Pay It Forward
                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                        • 77390

                                                                        #135
                                                                        yep the thread starter needs to post proof after bashing aff
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                                                                        • CDSmith
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 51460

                                                                          #136
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                                                                          • bbobby86
                                                                            partners.sexier.com
                                                                            • Jan 2007
                                                                            • 11926

                                                                            #137
                                                                            out out...

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                                                                            • BAKO
                                                                              Don’t be a short Imp
                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                              • 18483

                                                                              #138
                                                                              This thread is fucking lame, AFF rocks!
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                                                                              • papill0n
                                                                                Unregistered Abuser
                                                                                • Oct 2007
                                                                                • 15547

                                                                                #139
                                                                                replace your AFF links with Ashley Madison

                                                                                huge payouts and plenty of mainstream media exposure

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                                                                                • Smokieflame
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2008
                                                                                  • 596

                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  well i hope they dont go under i make a killing on cams.com hehe
                                                                                  Sig too big

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                                                                                  • LoveSandra
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Aug 2008
                                                                                    • 10551

                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    fuck this garbage affiliate program.I`m glade the piece of shit dissapear.

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                                                                                    • polle54
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                      • 4626

                                                                                      #142
                                                                                      Originally posted by HandballJim
                                                                                      I wonder how much $$$ they would get for their domain names at Internext Expo auction in January? Cams.com would fetch at least a million dollars in my opinion.

                                                                                      A friend of mine met a ton of girls on AFF and said most just wanted sex like him...but stressed all those girls were fucked up in the head.
                                                                                      a million dollars is worth shit for them... 1 million dollars if 0.2% of their debt.

                                                                                      420 millions is not pocket changes.
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                                                                                      • brassmonkey
                                                                                        Pay It Forward
                                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                                        • 77390

                                                                                        #143
                                                                                        Originally posted by WWC-BAKO
                                                                                        This thread is fucking lame, AFF rocks!
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                                                                                        • mopek1
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                          • 3229

                                                                                          #144
                                                                                          When this thread started many here said AFF would close within 90 days and were pretty sure of it.

                                                                                          Now that they are still operating and sending checks out as usual nobody is saying anything?

                                                                                          Why is the sky always falling in these forums?

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                                                                                          • JayMoyes
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                                            • 321

                                                                                            #145
                                                                                            I just got a weird e-mail from AFF. I almost never hear from the company, and this just came out of the woodwork last night...

                                                                                            Hello,

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                                                                                            • Half man, Half Amazing
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2008
                                                                                              • 372

                                                                                              #146
                                                                                              WWC Bako - you fucking suck. Good luck selling the same content that is available for free on all those piracy sites AFF keeps in business.
                                                                                              Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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