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the biggest weakness of NATS

11-25-2008, 09:47 AM

is the reliability of receiving the payments from the Program owners. You know CCBill or Epoch wont overlook sending checks out.

as highlighted by the owners of NATS/Teendolls. its funny they are the ones pointing it out.

teendolls payments SUPER late?
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=815519

Anybody receive payments from Teendolls lately?
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ight=teendolls

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11-25-2008, 09:50 AM

same owner of teendolls and nats?

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11-25-2008, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by kandah

same owner of teendolls and nats?

yes, ironic isnt it

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11-25-2008, 09:53 AM

Damn son, peeps gotta pay up

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11-25-2008, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by kandah

same owner of teendolls and nats?

Anyone that would trust there entire customer list and all information to them is nuts in my opinion....Just seems like very bad business to me.

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11-25-2008, 09:58 AM

There's more than that...
The way rebills are dealt with sucks big time... most programs don't even show what is rebill and that is not

I need to see exactly how many sales and how many rebills a refering URL did over time...
CCBILL can show me that

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11-25-2008, 09:59 AM

i hate any drama related to "being paid" one way or the other.

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11-25-2008, 10:00 AM

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11-25-2008, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by biskoppen

There's more than that...
The way rebills are dealt with sucks big time... most programs don't even show what is rebill and that is not

I need to see exactly how many sales and how many rebills a refering URL did over time...
CCBILL can show me that

NATS shows the rebills and new sales, it depends on how the program owner sets his stats.. no ?
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11-25-2008, 10:01 AM

more drama llamas
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11-25-2008, 10:03 AM

Anonymous nicks posting about things they really don't know shit about, how original.

And yes, NATS has a huge weakness, thats why it has such a large market share above and beyond any of its competitors.

If anyone here wants to actually accuse me of stealing people's info rather than just hinting at the issue, please do so.

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11-25-2008, 10:07 AM

The biggest problem with nats is that it allowed every retard and his brother to open an affiliate program...
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11-25-2008, 10:09 AM

sorry to jump in this but I don't know how else to reach Nats.

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11-25-2008, 10:10 AM

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11-25-2008, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Sexentertain_mike

sorry to jump in this but I don't know how else to reach Nats.

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didn't mean to hijack but its for a good cause

We're very easy to get in touch with:

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11-25-2008, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

Anonymous nicks posting about things they really don't know shit about, how original.

i just know what i read.

Originally posted by rowan

Why are teendolls taking 11 months to send my $$$?

Originally posted by rowan

I've heard from 3 other webmasters now that this late payment problem seems to be typical, not a once-off glitch. Why can't teendolls pay on time?

Originally posted by Caffiend

Are TD payouts going out late again? I can't get a response to any of the emails I've sent.

Originally posted by AlexGree

My affiliate id in teendolls is "simplebmg"
I didn't get any payout from you since February.
But now I see a payout in my payment history in affiliate area. But I can't find this one in my epassporte statement.

I can't get a response to any of the emails and icq messages I've sent. Can you provide the detailed information about this payout (amount, date and epassporte account you paid from)

if you paid...

Originally posted by AlexGree

but now situation is not seems good for me...

all pending payments in my payment history in affiliate area was updated to "paid", but nothing was paid actually... the promises only

Originally posted by Caffiend

AlexGree, the same thing happened to me. Payments changed to 'paid', but no money received. No luck chasing anyone down on ICQ, either. Do only the big fish get dealt with now?

Originally posted by alextm

hey John! teendolls owe me money for 3 or 4 accounts
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11-25-2008, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

Anonymous nicks posting about things they really don't know shit about, how original.

And yes, NATS has a huge weakness, thats why it has such a large market share above and beyond any of its competitors.

If anyone here wants to actually accuse me of stealing people's info rather than just hinting at the issue, please do so.

I don't know you or use your program but I don't see any comments being made here that are not valid points. Also I don't see any "Anonymous nicks" making any comments?. If it is true you own a paysite and nats, well sure thats a bit concernin g to many people as it it would be very easy for you to use any info you had access to for your own site? That really is a very valid point. Oh well continue on.

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11-25-2008, 10:22 AM

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11-25-2008, 10:24 AM

You guys should really start suing sponsors that dont pay when they are supposed to. You are trying to run your business they should run theirs
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11-25-2008, 10:29 AM

I agree that this is one of the biggest problems with NATS programs.

In the past, I had to chace several program owners to get my money. There're still some that haven't paid over 1 year.

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11-25-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by tranza

I agree that this is one of the biggest problems with NATS programs.

In the past, I had to chace several program owners to get my money. There're still some that haven't paid over 1 year.

So this is not a problem with say Executive Stats, MPA3, or Partnersoft?

It is an issue with some companies who run the software, not the software itself.

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11-25-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So this is not a problem with say Executive Stats, MPA3, or Partnersoft?

It is an issue with some companies who run the software, not the software itself.

its obviously a big enough problem with NATS to where the owner cant even get it to pay affiliates as agreed, after *repeated* attempts.

and im not the one pointing that out, its your affiliates

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11-25-2008, 10:41 AM

yes more drama please.. pornguy now u see what i mean.

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11-25-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So this is not a problem with say Executive Stats, MPA3, or Partnersoft?

It is an issue with some companies who run the software, not the software itself.

Indeed. It really comes down to the owners running the business and there negligent or lazy practices. So maybe a more useful thread would be "List sponsors using NATS that are reliable businessmen who fucking pay on time."

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11-25-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Wiredoctor

I don't know you or use your program but I don't see any comments being made here that are not valid points. Also I don't see any "Anonymous nicks" making any comments?. If it is true you own a paysite and nats, well sure thats a bit concernin g to many people as it it would be very easy for you to use any info you had access to for your own site? That really is a very valid point. Oh well continue on.

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11-25-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So this is not a problem with say Executive Stats, MPA3, or Partnersoft?

It is an issue with some companies who run the software, not the software itself.

I agree but I suspect you do not want users of your software using it to rip off affiliates so why not be innovative and integrate a simple feature in your software to help discourage the problem. I don't know how your software works but if it does not already it should require the admin to enter in a affiliate payment frequency and if the admin does not at least "mark" periods as paid by the payment due date than the software should be disabled, email sent to admin and all affilaite links should redirect to a page at NATS saying something to the effect of "Sorry the user of this software is in violation of their own terms and thus the software has been disabled. If you are the administrator of this program please pay your affilaites as per your terms to reenable this software." You could send multiple emails to the admin of the software leading up to the payment date to remind them so they would have plenty of opportunity to pay on time.

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11-25-2008, 05:32 PM

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I agree but I suspect you do not want users of your software using it to rip off affiliates so why not be innovative and integrate a simple feature in your software to help discourage the problem. I don't know how your software works but if it does not already it should require the admin to enter in a affiliate payment frequency and if the admin does not at least "mark" periods as paid by the payment due date than the software should be disabled, email sent to admin and all affilaite links should redirect to a page at NATS saying something to the effect of "Sorry the user of this software is in violation of their own terms and thus the software has been disabled. If you are the administrator of this program please pay your affilaites as per your terms to reenable this software." You could send multiple emails to the admin of the software leading up to the payment date to remind them so they would have plenty of opportunity to pay on time.

I appreciate your trying to offer something to move the issue forward rather than just the empty comments most offer. However, what you suggest isn't exactly feasible. There are a lot of legal issues that surround what your suggesting and I'm sure the endless armchair lawyers on this board will chime in, but its just not something that is so easily doable the way you are suggesting.

If you have payment issues with the program you would need to seek to remedy that yourself. NATS is a software product, just like apache or mysql is.

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11-25-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Wiredoctor

I don't know you or use your program but I don't see any comments being made here that are not valid points. Also I don't see any "Anonymous nicks" making any comments?. If it is true you own a paysite and nats, well sure thats a bit concernin g to many people as it it would be very easy for you to use any info you had access to for your own site? That really is a very valid point. Oh well continue on.

So you don't know me, or even NATS, but you're going to accuse me of possibly stealing and misusing people's data?

There are plenty of anonymous nicks here. This board is more and more filled with people who aren't even involved in the adult industry or those who are but have 15 other fake nicknames so they can post things that they don't want to post as being identified to them.

If you don't know anything about my software I really don't think you should be accusing me of misusing it.

What is it that you do in this industry?

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11-25-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

I appreciate your trying to offer something to move the issue forward rather than just the empty comments most offer. However, what you suggest isn't exactly feasible. There are a lot of legal issues that surround what your suggesting and I'm sure the endless armchair lawyers on this board will chime in, but its just not something that is so easily doable the way you are suggesting.

I see your point, well perhaps the software could gradually lose features or something else less severe as specified in your license of course. I guess a couple days late should not cause any major loss of features but I'd like to beleive there is a point where you would not want your software used by a program that has not paid affilaites for a lengthy period of time? If so, rather than just waiting for that point to come and then pulling their license (if that is even something you can do) it seems it would be better for all to discourage them from getting to that point in the first place by slowly degrading the software features. Anyway, just something to think about.

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11-25-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So you don't know me, or even NATS, but you're going to accuse me of possibly stealing and misusing people's data?

There are plenty of anonymous nicks here. This board is more and more filled with people who aren't even involved in the adult industry or those who are but have 15 other fake nicknames so they can post things that they don't want to post as being identified to them.

If you don't know anything about my software I really don't think you should be accusing me of misusing it.

What is it that you do in this industry?

He isn't accusing you of anything. He is stating a potential conflict of interest some people may have. No different when people worried about whether Google Analytics would be a conflict of interest for Google.

But I do agree with you on the payment issue. NATS is just a software for running your affiliate program. They are not responsible for the contractual relationship between a sponsor and affiliate.

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11-25-2008, 07:48 PM

so whats the status on affils that havent been paid, i know rowan has been waiting for ages

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11-25-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by fris

so whats the status on affils that havent been paid, i know rowan has been waiting for ages

Bravo was taken care of. I'd be more than happy to help Rowan also, but he refuses to listen to anything I have to say, he just wants to keep on posting here. You can see a clear example of it at the start of his thread where I explain it and he just goes off. He's more than welcome to contact me to actually sort it out, but for some reason he refuses to.

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11-25-2008, 08:01 PM

Just got my Teen Dolls check on Friday I think it was.
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11-25-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So you don't know me, or even NATS, but you're going to accuse me of possibly stealing and misusing people's data?

chill out dude. he is saying you have access to proprietary data that others dont. i personally dont think you would misuse it, but its there.

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There are plenty of anonymous nicks here. This board is more and more filled with people who aren't even involved in the adult industry or those who are but have 15 other fake nicknames so they can post things that they don't want to post as being identified to them.

then pay your affiliates and they wont point it out.

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11-25-2008, 08:03 PM

WTF does NATs have anything to do with payouts? Its the responsibility of the program/owner to dump their payments and push them out.. NOT TMM/NATs..

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11-25-2008, 08:08 PM

This is the dumbest thread in GFY in a long time. Blaming the software for a program not paying? Why not blame the host to while you're at it.
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11-25-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by count of monte cristo

chill out dude. he is saying you have access to proprietary data that others dont. i personally dont think you would misuse it, but its there.

I appreciate that. But there are those who love to bring it up as "I'm not accusing you but you could do it". That is an accusation just the same to me. There are lots of people in this business who run things they keep very secret from people, in fact, there's even some in this thread. I on the other hand don't hide a thing from anyone. Anyone is more than welcome to get a look at TeenDolls and see its whopping 5-6 sales a day. I'd hope if I was stealing people's data, it would be doing much much more than that. People are also speaking way out of bounds of what they know, as I don't even have access myself to our client's data. We do not store any passwords (server or admin) and we request access when needed and request its removed when we're done. The whole "conflict of interest" nonsense is really uncalled for and if people knew me or the details of NATS or the situation they would realize that.

then pay your affiliates and they wont point it out.

I've never complained about people pointing it out. In fact I've apologized that payments haven't been perfect in the past and indicated its no one's fault but my own and my non-stop 12-16 hour work days. I've dropped epassporte recently for various reasons and made other steps to hopefully get them in order. Never once have I been pissed at someone who has a payment due for pointing out that they do. Its their money and its unfortunate that other priorities of mine have kept some of them from getting them on time. That shouldn't be their burden.

However, I don't quite know what your motives are for creating this thread listing two threads, one which was on the front page, and the other which was over a year old and trying to somehow say that it is some sort of deficiency unique to the NATS platform. The fact that you carry no sig and don't identify yourself to anything in this business only makes me wonder more about those motives.

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11-25-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by media

WTF does NATs have anything to do with payouts? Its the responsibility of the program/owner to dump their payments and push them out.. NOT TMM/NATs..

I had a different take when I read the first post.

is the reliability of receiving the payments from the Program owners. You know CCBill or Epoch wont overlook sending checks out.

As in using the third party processors like ccBill means that folks don't have to screw around with sponsors who don't pay on time. Mentioning NATs might just be they are unfamilar with all the affiliate software packages.

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11-26-2008, 05:27 AM

i for one, hate to say it, look at stats all day long, but keep bad accounting. i get piles of checks and every week or 2, or more often if i need the money, i take them in. i just assume that they sent what they did and dont check.
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11-26-2008, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

Bravo was taken care of. I'd be more than happy to help Rowan also, but he refuses to listen to anything I have to say, he just wants to keep on posting here. You can see a clear example of it at the start of his thread where I explain it and he just goes off. He's more than welcome to contact me to actually sort it out, but for some reason he refuses to.

1. You explained the issue back in March. "As I've said it's my fault. I've allowed myself to go in too many directions and TD has suffered as a result of it. Very simple answer. My fault."

2. That was following up a surprise payment, eg past missed payments. This latest issue is one of late/nonexistent payments since.

3. Nearly all attempts to contact teendolls by email have failed. I only got through once I started guessing at addresses like root@, webmaster@ etc which were not listed as support contacts.

4. GFY court works. Usually. Why are you so obsessed with taking it private?
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11-26-2008, 06:06 AM

Anybody that is indeed missing any payment is (as most of those that complained in the past found out) better off contacting me or John, so we can sort it out.

Posting under low-post count nicks, without any contact information or sites, makes it "a bit hard" for us to know who you are and actually take care of your problem (assuming thats the goal and there is no other agenda)

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11-26-2008, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by rowan

1. You explained the issue back in March. "As I've said it's my fault. I've allowed myself to go in too many directions and TD has suffered as a result of it. Very simple answer. My fault."

2. That was following up a surprise payment, eg past missed payments. This latest issue is one of late/nonexistent payments since.

3. Nearly all attempts to contact teendolls by email have failed. I only got through once I started guessing at addresses like root@, webmaster@ etc which were not listed as support contacts.

4. GFY court works. Usually. Why are you so obsessed with taking it private?

Again, I'm more than happy to help you, call me, 732-385-1536 x1111

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11-26-2008, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

Again, I'm more than happy to help you, call me, 732-385-1536 x1111

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It's 2:10am in Australia and my family is sleeping.

WTF is there to help me with? Send the payment. What else would you need to do?
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11-26-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by rowan

It's 2:10am in Australia and my family is sleeping.

WTF is there to help me with? Send the payment. What else would you need to do?

Again, I'm more than happy to help you, call me when its not 2:10 in the morning, or ICQ me, 5596373, or email me at the email address I've given you many times, albright/toomuchmedia/com

For some reason you have no interest in actual resolving any issue, all you want to do is have an argument here. I'm not going to. If you want it resolved, AGAIN, I'm more than happy to, and I've given you three ways to contact me to do so.

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11-26-2008, 06:22 AM

Again, I don't need your help (what on earth does that mean?), just send the payment you owe me. Thanks in advance.
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11-26-2008, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by rowan

Again, I don't need your help (what on earth does that mean?), just send the payment you owe me. Thanks in advance.

Its really simple, but you don't seem to get it. In order to be able to get the payment to you, I need to speak with you. Or you can post your pay to name and mailing address here.

I'm not going to argue with you here, where you apparently think its "court". In fact, I'm done replying to you on here. I've given you plenty of ways to contact me. Either take advantage of one of them or stop wasting your energy.

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11-26-2008, 06:25 AM

I do not get how people say that they can not reach John to talk to him about any issue that they may have. His contact info is on the NATS site and on the TEEN Dolls Site. If I have ever called him up to ask him a question regarding NATS I have either got him on the phone or received a call back with in a few hours. If you pick up the phone and make a call and not rely on typing your issue, you get results. None of this needed to go to the boards and could have been resolved by a call.

The funny thing about speculating that there is an issue with the owner of NATS having their own Affiliate program as well is like accusing QuickBooks for stealing your clients since they could gain access to your online version. They just make the software and they have their own program to use to test the new versions out on.
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#48

11-26-2008, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

So you don't know me, or even NATS, but you're going to accuse me of possibly stealing and misusing people's data?

There are plenty of anonymous nicks here. This board is more and more filled with people who aren't even involved in the adult industry or those who are but have 15 other fake nicknames so they can post things that they don't want to post as being identified to them.

If you don't know anything about my software I really don't think you should be accusing me of misusing it.

What is it that you do in this industry?

Idiot I never accused you of anythig !!! I simply pointed out a poterntial serious conflict between you the owner of an adult paysite and You the owner of an adult affiliate software program in which You the same owner has all the customer info of thousands of affiliates?? Do you get it now? or is this concept still over your head?

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#49

11-26-2008, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by Wiredoctor

Idiot I never accused you of anythig !!! I simply pointed out a poterntial serious conflict between you the owner of an adult paysite and You the owner of an adult affiliate software program in which You the same owner has all the customer info of thousands of affiliates?? Do you get it now? or is this concept still over your head?

Wow, idiot. Good one!

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#50

11-26-2008, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by tranza

I agree that this is one of the biggest problems with NATS programs.

In the past, I had to chace several program owners to get my money. There're still some that haven't paid over 1 year.

which ones besides teendolls?
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