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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #31
    Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
    @paul

    Politicians hire political consultants and strategists for this.

    If they want to pay me $100K a month maybe I'll explain it a bit

    I assume what you said was rhetorical ...
    Yes, we know they say the right things to get in. Then do as they're told to once they're in. Those $billions come with chains.



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    • Barry-xlovecam
      It's 42
      • Jun 2010
      • 18083

      #32
      Trump created a media spectacle -- Hillary had to buy her time because she was not a spectacle. That's fair.

      By being so controversial and offensive Trump won getting tons of publicity for free.

      Bernie Saunders was not electable IMHO. Too bad the Democrat party has shoved him aside in the Senate leadership this coming session. New boss -- same as the old boss.

      So, it is not a matter of equal time -- Hillary was only bad news while Trump was mixed news. Trump had a better message to slightly smaller group of followers. He won by being what his 'constituency' wanted to hear. Now comes the really hard part ...

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      • Bladewire
        StraightBro
        • Aug 2003
        • 56228

        #33
        Originally posted by Paul Markham
        I had hoped he would make more changes. The problem came when he realised he's not a dictator. which is what's going to be Trump's problem. It needs a bigger swing in voting patterns to change the course of the few.

        Watch Europe for inspiration.
        What did Obama even do in the 8 years he was in office?


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        • Paul Markham
          Too old to care
          • Jun 2001
          • 52942

          #34
          Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
          You missed my point (or I did not state it clearly) that people do not do research. They only watch TV and the names they see flashing before their zombie like gaze is all they remember.

          The more time you show a zombie something the more likely they are to just go with what they are familiar with.

          Yes, their is more interest in Kim Kardashian than who "runs" the country.
          Sorry, I did miss your point.

          Then they have no right to complain. Along with people who are scared to try to change the way their country is run. This better the devil you know attitude is what the billionaires rely on.

          We're being fucked by migration, free trade, Nanny States and the obsession to spend more than we earn. That includes Americans who think low taxes is a way to run a modern country. Then vote for their man to get them money from the increasing debt and more goods made outside the US.

          The future is going to be catastrophic for our children.



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          • Hannes
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            • May 2016
            • 1594

            #35
            just no logic
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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #36
              Originally posted by Bladewire
              What did Obama even do in the 8 years he was in office?
              So all those people sitting in the two houses are doing nothing and just for show.

              I agree with you that nothing has changed to make Americans lives better, over the last 8 and even 20 years. Is that only down to the President or are their more levels of Government involved?



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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #37
                Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                Trump created a media spectacle -- Hillary had to buy her time because she was not a spectacle. That's fair.

                By being so controversial and offensive Trump won getting tons of publicity for free.

                Bernie Saunders was not electable IMHO. Too bad the Democrat party has shoved him aside in the Senate leadership this coming session. New boss -- same as the old boss.

                So, it is not a matter of equal time -- Hillary was only bad news while Trump was mixed news. Trump had a better message to slightly smaller group of followers. He won by being what his 'constituency' wanted to hear. Now comes the really hard part ...
                I agree, especially with the "Now comes the really hard part". He will be up against 535 Members of Congress. Some will go with him and I think most will try to stop him. Even Republicans if he tries to slow down illegal migration and export of jobs.

                That's why people have to start making those 535 Members of Congress scared of losing their jobs. Voting for an outsider is the way to scare them. Thinking you can change them and vote for them is foolish.

                What's the Third biggest Party in the US?



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                • Paul Markham
                  Too old to care
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #38
                  Originally posted by MedCash_Geoff
                  just no logic
                  I know. Voting for the same people to keep fucking you is illogical.



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                  • bns666
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                    • Mar 2005
                    • 11553

                    #39
                    no logical explanation obviously...
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                    • Barry-xlovecam
                      It's 42
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 18083

                      #40
                      There is no larger 3rd or 4th party. That is a big part of the problem.

                      There is no 'uncola.' There are two colas to choose from. Both the Libertarians and the Greens are diametrically opposing extreme viewpoints.

                      I find little congruence with either of them and very limited congruence with the Democrat or Republican parties. So, I end up choosing who will do the least harm to my personal position. I don't find my situation that bad. So, trashing what is there and starting over is not a real option I am willing to entertain.

                      The ball is in the Republicans court 100% now. They will get the blame or credit due them -- no excuses accepted.

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                      • mikesouth
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 6334

                        #41
                        First...for the umpteenth time America is NOT a Democracy, it never has been and untill we trash the Constitution it never will be, although I will allow that the presidential election is a SOMEWHAT democratic process.

                        But to fix the problem I think we have to get rid of the two party system for one, and as someone else pointed out we have to get rid of paid political ads.

                        But the deeper problem comes in educating the voters, back when there was a concept in the media called equal time, that has pretty much been abandoned. I think there is a responsibility for the major networks to provide free, equal time to candidates, they are after all "public airwaves"

                        I don't know but maybe proportional representation is an answer, I haven't given that a lot of thought but I know it works elsewhere.

                        There is also an argument that people on the public dole lose the right to vote, I tend to disagree with that one even though it IS evident that people trade votes for handouts.

                        As my friend Tim Walker wrote today on MikeSouth.Com It is becoming increasingly difficult to determine where the truth is even in major news stories, it seems everyone is skeptical, and rightly so, the media has become the tool of the politicians to scare us into relinquishing our Constitutional rights. It's a complex problem with no easy answer...but it does need to be fixed. thats my
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                        • DatingNetwork-Derrick
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                          • Nov 2014
                          • 41

                          #42
                          It's always funny and scary af watching the gong show from the North. It will be interesting to see how Trump presidency directly affects Canada.
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                          • CDSmith
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                            • May 2001
                            • 51460

                            #43
                            Originally posted by DatingNetwork-Derrick
                            It's always funny and scary af watching the gong show from the North. It will be interesting to see how Trump presidency directly affects Canada.
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                            • Paul Markham
                              Too old to care
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 52942

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                              There is no larger 3rd or 4th party. That is a big part of the problem.

                              There is no 'uncola.' There are two colas to choose from. Both the Libertarians and the Greens are diametrically opposing extreme viewpoints.

                              I find little congruence with either of them and very limited congruence with the Democrat or Republican parties. So, I end up choosing who will do the least harm to my personal position. I don't find my situation that bad. So, trashing what is there and starting over is not a real option I am willing to entertain.

                              The ball is in the Republicans court 100% now. They will get the blame or credit due them -- no excuses accepted.
                              The ball is in voters court 100% now. Because so long as people vote for Republicans or Democrats funded by the 1%. The 1% win. In reality, the US isn't a two party State if it only gets money from one minority. So voting for those outsiders is the only way to grasp back control. Once in power the Greens are faced with the real world and have to change their policies. However, reducing fossil fuels is a great policy.

                              The biggest problem the US faces is population versus jobs that pay well enough to keep a family and raise enough taxes. If that trend isn't reversed their will be real problems.



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                              • slapass
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 14625

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                Then they're dumb. Because the devil they know is fucking them.
                                I know you keep going on about this but life in the US amazing. I think you are confused as this point. Go to a country with serious shit going on and then you will see some politics that makes you cringe.

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