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do you get this on your affil links or just when you go to the main page with no ref code ?
because i dont seem to see the popunder on my affil links
i might just be sleepy though
test here
http://www.livejasmin.com/freechat.p...am&pstool=15_2hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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ICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.caComment
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They have to do this to sponsor the show in january at internextComment
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even when you do send on affiliate link and not see the popup, you still will loose the client to re-catch it again cause after 14 days, he still is on the livejasmin domain, giving the next amounts of rev share to livesex. And this in PPS status, so you loose your spender forever.
If they would not have placed it, a discussion like this is not needed
They did placed it, so they must have some sort of a motivation to do this.
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i cant seem to see this popup code on any of my affil links, can anyone else ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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probably they will use the BOOKMARK button on the live chat rooms, saving the url livejasmin.com. and revisit after a few weeks or months the site again, cause it has a 14 day cookie, it does NOT mean they spend within the 14 days ofcourse
So when he comes back on day 15 to livejasmin(d0t)com and he used his bookmarks for this, he will see it. Then... just read on.... a pop-up will come, and they see the tube site with extreme long free movies. From there they see the livejasmin links again on a PPS status, ones they spend there, Livesex account gets 40$ one time, and thats it. This client will not be able to create revenue for you anymore.
Again a 14 day cookie does not say they spend it all in 14 days.
This whole system is hurting those who are not able to create to much bookmark traffic on their own domains.
Again, they should not place it at all, they are way to big and successful to use these kind of marketing ways.Comment
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Conclusion, another door is closed for the affiliates to create a recurring revenue, despite the 14 day cookie. The more doors being closed, the stupider this whole thing becomes. And if i was wrong, there would be not even a pop-under to a bookmark tube site. But unfortunately i am not wrong, it`s there, it has a reason.
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AWE are the shadiest mofos in the cam business if you ask me. We had sooooo many issues with them using stolen content from our sites etc and more. When confronted, they like to play the avoidence game until you threaten em w/ legal action.
If you're looking for hardcore cams, definitely work with Dwreck.Comment
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i dont even see a bookmark button, but if they bookmark with your ref code it doesnt matter much , the cookies arent overwritten so if they visit your ref code first then your ref code is set for 14 more days. The whole 14 day cookie things has been rehashed about a million times , i dont think they are going to change it anytime soon.
The guts of this thread is about popunders, i dont see any popunders on my links, if all they have is a popunder on their own main typein domain then i wouldnt worry much.
But then again i could just be missing the end result . I do understand the direction you are trying to go with this , just not sure if it's as bad as you thinkhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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See, on the other hand, they could CUT themselves in the fingers. When people type in the domain and see a pop-under, they might think THIS SITE SUCKS, and go back to your links again.
I have no direction in this thread, i am more doubting the presence of a popup on a non revs link, going to a PPS sponsor account. PPS means, never able to become revs again, or be able to make for a webmaster who sends him ( again ) a recurring sale
Yes the bookmark link is there, its a non revs bookmark button on the free live chat pages. Certain campaign pages have also NO bookmark link. The some older campaign pages haveLast edited by Tjeezers; 11-07-2008, 09:10 AM.Comment
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what the hell is happening, it looks like every sponsor is trying to fuck us with all these cross sales and now this.
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because you have chopped liver and theres a hand right behind yours with filet mignon
but seriously , unless i am missing something this is very very minor, from the way the thread started you would think they are doing popunders on affil links.
If a surfer signs up thru your affil link then comes back 3 days later and buys credits after manually typing in livejasmin your cookie is not overwritten thus any popups would also not overwrite your cookie , i.e. you still get credit.
If a surfer came back 20 days later and manually typed in livejasmin , you wouldnt get paid anyways because your ref code is overwritten after 14 days.
So unless i am missing something you dont lose anything . i could be totally wrong about this , but please explain further
edit: ok i think i see the leak , you are saying if surfer comes back 20 days later manually types in the domain they would get pps cookie and thus if they then went back to your site another 15 days later and bought credits under your ref code you wouldnt get anything because they are now pps. This i suppose is true but cmon now thats a bit far fetched.. represents such a small amount, for all we know a pps cookie wil always overwrite revshare cookies anywaysLast edited by SmokeyTheBear; 11-07-2008, 09:18 AM.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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um you are wrong, they have a link right at the top that says live webcams. and as soon as a webmasters client clicks on it and then buys a show, they get taken away from the rev share pool and nobody can make money from them again and awe gets the whole % from them for life and not the webmaster. its very bad, esp when all you get is a 14 day cookie in the 1st place.
from what i am starting to learn and see, is there any adult programs out there that u can trust? or all of them just fucking all the smaller webmasters out of their traffic?Comment
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And after these 20 days then the surfer is "clear" he gets livesex pupup and gets PPS cookie set and thats the end, no more chance to earn from that surfer. As PPS is forever, even if he will delete the cookie its also tracked by username.because you have chopped liver and theres a hand right behind yours with filet mignon
but seriously , unless i am missing something this is very very minor, from the way the thread started you would think they are doing popunders on affil links.
If a surfer signs up thru your affil link then comes back 3 days later and buys credits after manually typing in livejasmin your cookie is not overwritten thus any popups would also not overwrite your cookie , i.e. you still get credit.
If a surfer came back 20 days later and manually typed in livejasmin , you wouldnt get paid anyways because your ref code is overwritten after 14 days.
So unless i am missing something you dont lose anything . i could be totally wrong about this , but please explain furtherComment
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The fact your missing is that this pop-under is a Pay Per Sale Account.
This eliminates every option to CATCH this client again after some time to gain again a 14 day revenue. So slow but with certain moves the pool with fresh fish is re-generated into PPS clients, not giving any webmaster an option to gain more revenue.
PPS sales are end of the revenue party.Comment
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Length: 24:01I already stop to promote awe.Asian beauty in purple
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if they dont respond soon to this or do something for their webmasters that got screwed out of their loyal clients who keep buying cam shows, and give credit back, i'll stop sending all of my cam traffic to them.Comment
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NeonCams have a "clean history".You may check it out as well.
Anyway,with this shit and garbage tubesite with 24 long movies,AWE shotself in his leg and now bleeding.
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its their site with their refcode not yours, they choose to go pps, i dont see how this is any different than competing against another webmaster promoting pps. If someone like choker used his traffic and forced pps cookies on people he would do much more harm than awe doing it on their front page on a popunder that you need to click to set cookie.
I would like to hear a bit more about the cookie details though like does a pps cookie write over a revshare cookie instantly or only if the cookie is free, it does make a differencehatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Here is how it works in a nutshell.
Their REV SHARE is 14 day cookie, NOT for life
Their PPS is 40$ and nobody can make money from that user again !!!!
If i am sending my traffic to livejas and one of my clients hit their popunder and go to their stupid little tube site, and click on live webcams at the top, then i lost my loyal client for ever!!!
The way they have it set up is perfect for anybody in this business who knows how to make good websites and keep their traffic on their sites only! You can make a killing with little traffic. My ratio was 1:90 for the longest, untill about the time this new tube site was up " i went back and checked stats" then my sales started to drop month by month.Comment
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look, the reason AWE has the 14 day cookie thing is this :
You can try to get this client again and get more revenue from this spender. If you do not get him back, someone else will, and he will get the revenue then.
Now they are trying to grab this client, and less revenue for the webmaster is left. So the motivational reason for the 14day cookie becomes more useless then ever. AWE is now active trying to be a webmaster also. They have the privilege they can do this on their own domain, and with a tube site filled with long play movies. Who wants to compete with this?
Now webmasters competing webmasters, i dont have a problem with
but we talk about Sponsor competing against the webmaster by catching the client on a PPS tube site and keep him for themselves without giving their affiliates a chance to grab him again.
Lets keep it simple shall we? 14 day over, AWE does the first try to catch the client with a pop-under on their own site. not the webmaster....
When u use a PPS, you are serious draining the pool with new fish.Comment
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Sorry to interrupt you here
When you send traffic to livejasmin, you do this under your own REF PSID link
no popup there. ( please keep this in the back of your mind to not start confusion )
We are talking about the options to re-catch your client again, this option is now very smaller then before. After 14 days, the client goes back in the pool, and when the client still visits your websites, you keep him longer then the 14 day. When he does not, AWE will be the first one to catch it under the terms of PPS, so no revshare ever possible to get from him. PPS is the end of all Revshare.
So the statement they use to keep up the 14 day cookie thing is under pressure. If a sponsor tries to get them under a own PPS account, like what is happening now, something serious goes wrong.Comment
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He might be referring to FreePorn(dot)com, owned by Webcams(dot)com
It is also a tube site with pretty much long play videos on there.
I dont know the details anymore, but nevertheless, i do not send them to much traffic anymore after i read how their repps jump in the fire to defend their Marketing Talents.Comment
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been stated and understood by pretty well everyone for ages.
thats generally how it works, again i think everyone understands the concept of pps vs revshare
couldnt happen because they dont get a popunder from your links
or it could have been global warming or many other things.. look i'm not trying to bash you , its good for people to be aware of what is happening to their traffic, i hate shady shit jus as much as the next guy. awe is one of the top of a niche they can pretty well do what they want without suitable competition.
Go look at the amount of performers on the other cam sites mentioned, its laughable... thats why awe will still outperform.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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i just want to say them :
FUCK YOU AWE !
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Last edited by Mutt; 11-07-2008, 11:18 AM.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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wasn't sure what he was actually saying in the above quote- it could be taken two waysI moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Looks like it may be time for me to try a new sponsor.
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Anyone knows the Tube Model that is created by Cams.com and Penthouse.com?
You send to tube penthouse your traffic, and the live cam adds carry your ID. As soon the tube surfer joins Tube Penthouse, you get some cash, and... thats the best thing... your signed up penthouse tube surfer see the cam adds with your refferal link code in it for always.
This model is now like ehhh 6 months old or something? I was freaking out on the begin after reading 4 lines. My mind said, TUBE? Shit i am in trouble.
But as soon Nancy explained to me the plan, and how affiliates can make more cam sales, i was happy. Hoping also that many would take over this idea.
Ball breaker conclusion:
If a sponsor wishes to play with tubes, and test it out. Then TEST it with your affiliates. Do not go sneaky behind our backs do things to make your own wallet bigger and ours smaller in time. We have a hand in hand relation as webmaster and sponsor. When you think you hold our hand long enough and start running off, we feel abused and misunderstood. We are not your parents and let you go when your finally able to make your own steps and choices. Despite you learned it from us ;) ... No We are your partners. The ones who help you from ZERO to HERO. It should be a contract for life. Do not do shady things, we will be like your parents then and kick you under your ass.
Of course above all sounds to beautiful for words. In the mean time reality is a face kicker and you see left and right this everlasting process of sponsors who try to back out of the relation they started with us from day 1.
Enough said for now, untill AWE shows up and explain her plans about this pop-under this thread is not getting power or a conversation level yet of any size that impresses me and makes me say '" I am wrong, sponsors never fuck webmasters '"Comment
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As i remember all these stories....
gfy: blame, blame, blame, blah-blah-blah...
program: pause...
gfy: blame, blame, blame... pull links... blah-blah-blah... blame-blame-blame...
administration: thread was killed. no new threads on this issue...
program: sorry, sorry, sorry... coder, mistake, sorry, fixed, sorry, sorry... fucking coder, fucking mistake, we love you all... sorry, sorry, sorry, keep sending your quality traffic...
gfy: that's cool, i knew it will happen, i'll add your links right now, nice to hear... blah-blah-blah...
who's the next?
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Response
Dear Affiliates,
I was notified about the concerns/questions you had in regards to the popunders displayed on LiveJasmin.
We understand how valuable your traffic is to you, most of you have been with AWE for a long time and have come to trust, respect and profit off of the way we do business.
Naturally, as in the case of any business, it is nearly impossible to please everyone and we respect and accept the fact that not everyone is interested in working with us.
However, I urge those in doubt to go straight to the source by contacting us and getting relevant answers to your questions.
Our business did not get to where it is today by short-sighted thinking.
If we were in this business for the quick buck we would operate by different values and standards.
I personally commend those who refrain from coming to premature conclusions before getting specific, adequate information about an issue.
Having just returned from a business trip allow me to briefly clarify the methodology by which popunders are currently (and have been) displayed for end users.
- Popunders are only displayed for certain countries
- Popunders DO NOT appear for any visitor that comes through an affiliate link
- Popunders DO NOT appear for any visitor carrying an affiliate cookie
We also respect our end users' need for a pleasant online experience, therefore popunders are only displayed periodically.
Feel free to contact any of our team members directly with any further questions and/or concerns.
In addition, I will check this thread tomorrow.
LifeSelector Affiliates - Make money today promoting the online porn of tomorrow.
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That PPS seems short-sighted and is punching affiliates right in the satchel though, especially on huge traffic sites.
I kinda like the 14-day REVS pool that is built up by AWE, but when livesex and livesexlist use PPS, it pulls fish out of the pool. If the 14-day cookie for revshare is so awesome, why do the in-house AWE traffic sites use PPS?
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