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11-06-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by sortie

True,

but don't underestimate the ingenuity of the people before us.

They produced many inventions that led to us being able to build on top of them.

There were less people and therefore less people to invent in those days.

They invented ways to make our life easier so that we have way more free time to invent.

If we added up all the inventions over time; those who came before us had
more inventions but didn't have mass marketing for everyone to know about them.

Some of our new inventions are old inventions that now make a lot more sense
because we finally understand what the inventor was seeing.
What comes strongly to my mind here is chemotherapy and placebo medication.
Ancient "witch doctors" used all of this for centuries before "modern man" understood it.

We ain't "modern". We have just collected more tools over time and are arrogant about it.
Neanderthal would have invented a computer too if he had not ran out of time.

I didn't say man hadn't progressed in the thousands of years before the last 100.. What I said is we have progressed at a faster rate in the last 100 years vs any other time in history.

No one argues that for instance the Greeks achieved extremely complex things or that the Egyptians built things that still baffle us today. It still is nothing compared to what we have achieved in the last 100 years.

We are not arrogant about it, we should be proud that we live at this time because humans have accomplished more in this short time than any other time in history. It's just a shame we worry more about the next iPhone than solving the problems that face us.

From the time of the Greeks until just before the Civil war man traveled by horse and buggy or wooden ships. In the short time frame after the civil war we have built automobiles, massive size boats, invented aircraft and traveled to the moon, ect..ect..

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11-06-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

for mankind to take the next step, we have to get rid of religion

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11-06-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Stellar

Question,

considering all that has happened in the past 100 short years in terms of total advances in technology and innovations.. do you think man has gone unaided while doing so?

You feel that way because you had a "C" average in school and fail to
realize that others can accomplish way more than you can; so obviously all
the smart people had extraterrestrial help as you can't face the fact that
you are fucking dumb.

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11-06-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by crockett

I didn't say man hadn't progressed in the thousands of years before the last 100.. What I said is we have progressed at a faster rate in the last 100 years vs any other time in history.

No one argues that for instance the Greeks achieved extremely complex things or that the Egyptians built things that still baffle us today. It still is nothing compared to what we have achieved in the last 100 years.

We are not arrogant about it, we should be proud that we live at this time because humans have accomplished more in this short time than any other time in history. It's just a shame we worry more about the next iPhone than solving the problems that face us.

From the time of the Greeks until just before the Civil war man traveled by horse and buggy or wooden ships. In the short time frame after the civil war we have built automobiles, massive size boats, invented aircraft and traveled to the moon, ect..ect..

Ya know something?

I can start today and build a car like none ever seen before.
It will not take much time at all if I spend the money.

The reason it will be so fast is because:

I don't have to invent a fucking wheel!

Or a piston, or a cam, or a tranmission, or a break system, or a steering device,
or an electricity generator know as the alternator, or a air bag or a sun roof or a..........

It's so much faster for me because all the "slow people" born before me already
made that shit.

Our book of knowledge got bigger and now with the internet we can sift through the
even bigger book even faster.

Get the fuck over it. You are no more intelligent that the first man who landed on this
planet. He had to figure out how to survived right away, but you die in 3 days in
the same jungle with all your brains. Go figure dude!

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11-06-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by sortie

Ya know something?

I can start today and build a car like none ever seen before.
It will not take much time at all if I spend the money.

The reason it will be so fast is because:

I don't have to invent a fucking wheel!

Or a piston, or a cam, or a tranmission, or a break system, or a steering device,
or an electricity generator know as the alternator, or a air bag or a sun roof or a..........

It's so much faster for me because all the "slow people" born before me already
made that shit.

Our book of knowledge got bigger and now with the internet we can sift through the
even bigger book even faster.

Get the fuck over it. You are no more intelligent that the first man who landed on this
planet. He had to figure out how to survived right away, but you die in 3 days in
the same jungle with all your brains. Go figure dude!

You seem to not be able to read or grasp what I'm talking about. Please carry on in one of the "would you hit it topics".

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11-06-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by crockett

I was just watching TV and that movie the Assassination of Jessie James was on. I'd seen the movie before but the date he died got me thinking. He was killed in 1882 that was only 90 years before I was born and it was such a diffrent time then.

When he was alive the cross country trains was a rather new thing. The major form of transportation was still the horse an buggy. So now it's been 126 years since he was killed. In that amount of time the automobile was invented, man harnessed the atom, we left this planet and landed on the moon. Technology has boomed which has changed the lives of almost everyone on this planet.

For thousands of years man worked with basic hand tools and in roughly 100 years we have advanced faster than we advanced in the previous 1000 combined. You think we can continue to do so, or will we eventually get stuck at some point and not be able to keep advancing at such a rapid pace?

I found your lack of faith disturbing
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11-06-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by crockett

You seem to not be able to read or grasp what I'm talking about. Please carry on in one of the "would you hit it topics".

You seem to be indulging in a disgusting fantasy about how "modern humans"
are "superior"; yet never realizing that the only science you have to back you up
is based on a bunch a bones some idiot dug up and proclaimed it to be inferior.

You are suffering from the "monkey religion".

The monkey religion is formed of people who believe humans evolved from apes.
There is really no scientific facts to truly support that, it's just a logical theory.

Logical theories are not facts.

But yet, the monkey worshiper is just as adamant as the Jesus freak and neither
of you have enough proof to convince reasonable people who actually think.

Yet you both continue to preach!

Preach on brother, we will meet our monkey makers in heaven someday.

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11-06-2008, 08:38 PM

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11-06-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

For mankind to take the next step, we have to get rid of religion

This is true, but what will it be replaced with? Religion changes faces every 2 to 3,000 years or so and christianity is just the new kid on the block. No matter what you do, you can never remove something like religion because humans will always find something they can not explain and create myths around it. I would like to see the face of religion in another 1,000 years or so.

Originally posted by crockett

Violence & Greed are two of the biggest driving factors in human existence. Man has been fighting for more power and wealth or resources since well before we climbed down out of the trees.

What makes you think that is what is needed to advance? One might say man has been preprogramed for it because it's a basic need for survival.

What makes you think is ISN'T? I know I am probably going to get some shit for saying this, but I think above all else, our success as a species relies on one very large problem. And that is unshackling ourselves from a counterintuitive and predictably nihilistic monetary system.

"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives." H.S.T. 09/12/01
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11-06-2008, 08:50 PM

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11-06-2008, 08:53 PM

Nice thread.

I'll opine that man needs religion / war / strife or some other unhappy shit to advance; whether we do it as a whole against a giant asteroid or against one another. Crockett brought up a good point about war bringing about technological advances; we owe a lot to war-tested medicine in our daily lives, for instance. If this planet were a world filled with a bunch of happy people, why innovate? Curiosity's great and all, but it seems the drive to be better than someone else is a great factor at innovating.

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11-06-2008, 09:05 PM

There is a show on TV called "Ancient Discoveries". It is amazing what man knew (namely the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians) before the dark ages. If all that knowlege had not been lost during that time, there is no telling where we would be today, probably already living on mars, or having a clean fuel that is not based on fossil fuels. Truely amazing!

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11-06-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by April777

There is a show on TV called "Ancient Discoveries". It is amazing what man knew (namely the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians) before the dark ages. If all that knowlege had not been lost during that time, there is no telling where we would be today, probably already living on mars, or having a clean fuel that is not based on fossil fuels. Truely amazing!

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Yea that's the point I'm kinda getting at. It's very clear that the Accent Greeks for example had extremely complex machines for their time. Heronas of Alexandria for example actually devloped the first steam engine, but he failed to grasp what it could have been used for. Had he put two and two together history could have been very advanced.

Yet they eventually reached a limit to what they could build, simply because they were limited to metal, wood stone and cloth. Man for the last 1000 years has been limited to those basic materials.

It wasn't instill the 20th century and the last 100 years that we have advanced past that stage. The ability to to work with large amounts of steel or iron for example didn't come along until the 20th century. Sure they used iron before hand but only in small amounts but never at a large scale.

What sortie can't get through his thick head, is I'm not arguing that man hasn't known how to work with iron or make wheels, ect..ect. I'm simply stating man has advanced faster in the last 100 years than at any time in our history and wondering if we can keep on advancing at this pace or will we eventually hit a bottle neck do to lack of new techonlgy, materials ect..ect..

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11-06-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by psili

Nice thread.

I'll opine that man needs religion / war / strife or some other unhappy shit to advance; whether we do it as a whole against a giant asteroid or against one another. Crockett brought up a good point about war bringing about technological advances; we owe a lot to war-tested medicine in our daily lives, for instance. If this planet were a world filled with a bunch of happy people, why innovate? Curiosity's great and all, but it seems the drive to be better than someone else is a great factor at innovating.

Yea see that's what I agree with too.. Even if you got rid of religion man would come up with something else to take it's place. I watched a show on TV a while back where they said it's a basic need of the human mind to be part of something that's bigger than one's self.

They claimed it's what made humans work together to join clans, villages,cities, govts religions ect..ect.. which eventually civilized us.

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11-06-2008, 10:25 PM

In 20 years or less google will become self aware and will proceed to eradicate all humans.
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11-06-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Yea see that's what I agree with too.. Even if you got rid of religion man would come up with something else to take it's place. I watched a show on TV a while back where they said it's a basic need of the human mind to be part of something that's bigger than one's self.

They claimed it's what made humans work together to join clans, villages,cities, govts religions ect..ect.. which eventually civilized us.

I just think without competition, human innovation slows. It doesn't stop, due to curiosity, but it slows. A micro-world example would be a "coder" thread on this board:

1.
if($she == 'hot')
{
$str = 'Must have a penis';
print $str;
}

2.
if($she == 'hot')
{
print ( 'Must have a penis' );
}

3.
print ( $she == 'hot' ? 'Must have a penis' : '' );

4.
Fwap fwap fwap.

fuck... i dunno... I'll get out of your fine thread before i wreck it... sorry man.

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11-07-2008, 12:04 AM

I think that the global economy is probably going to franticly change as things become more centralised,efficient and automated. It will be completely fucked up for a while but hopefully will get better

not to long ago every town had a blacksmith. nowadays its pretty much just a manufacturing plant in china.

Hopefully the economy will restructure allowing people not to have to do repetitive work that doesn't require much intelligence.

I think 100 years from now the majority of the human race will be scientists.

Hopefully the progress made between 2050 and 2100 will dwarf the past century.
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