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  • DWB
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    • Jul 2003
    • 31779
    #1

    I hate to be Mr. Negative but...

    Remember how united the USA was after 9-11? I thought then it was a new day and America was going to head in a new POSITIVE direction as all Americans stood together. Then it all fell apart.

    Do you think the people can keep this excitement right now and really help bring change to the country? Or will it fizzle again and go back to the same old same old?
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    • Rorschach
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      • Aug 2002
      • 5579
      #2
      The main difference being that George Bush is a retard and a puppet of his corporate bosses, whereas Obama appears to be the real deal.

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        • Fletch XXX
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          • Jan 2002
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          #3
          america was not united on 9/11 most were friehgtened to death. then came Iraq which is causing many of the problems we are facing.

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            • notoldschool
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              • Aug 2007
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              #4
              Originally posted by Fletch XXX
              america was not united on 9/11 most were friehgtened to death. then came Iraq which is causing many of the problems we are facing.
              It made us more racist. Glad to see there are less morans in this country than I first suspected.
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                • cykoe6
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                  • Apr 2005
                  • 4499
                  #5
                  The US is hardly united. It may be 53-47 or so but that is hardly united. Obviously people on the left are enthusiastic right now but that does not mean that there is more unity than there was yesterday.
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                    • mynameisjim
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                      • Aug 2007
                      • 2985
                      #6
                      Obama only won by a few million votes, so there really isn't much unity going around.

                      But the problem was this country was bankrupted by bad government and poor policy decisions that have left the American people struggling. All we ask is that those policies be undone and people made to feel they have a fair shot again.

                      Heck, If Obama and the Democratic Congress and Senate can just roll back 50% of the shit Bush did, I'll be happy.
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                        • seeric
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 41917
                          #7
                          the only people who voted for obama were seniors. the rest of the demographics voted for obama (source CNN). old people stuck in their ways, whether they didnt vote because he's black, or they're old money, or whatever, they will always vote with the old white guy.

                          i don't think it will fizzle, i think this guy will unite people who matter, that is young, influencial people, the people under 65 still in the workforce, who are the ones holding the reigns to the country.

                          all the debbie downers will still talk shit when in two years everything is not disneyland, when in fact it will take many, many years to fix the country.

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                            • Barefootsies
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                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Rorschach
                              The main difference being that George Bush is a retard and a puppet of his corporate bosses, whereas Obama appears to be the real deal.
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                                • crockett
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                                  • May 2003
                                  • 76818
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                  Remember how united the USA was after 9-11? I thought then it was a new day and America was going to head in a new POSITIVE direction as all Americans stood together. Then it all fell apart.

                                  Do you think the people can keep this excitement right now and really help bring change to the country? Or will it fizzle again and go back to the same old same old?
                                  I think you missed what happened after 9/11. The country and the world was united but Bush and the neo cons used that unity to push their agenda. Had a person like Obama been president I think we would see a very different world right now.

                                  9/11 was a defining time that a great man as president could have changed the wold for the better. Instead Bush instead used it to divide us.
                                  Last edited by crockett; 11-04-2008, 09:04 PM.
                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                    • DWB
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 31779
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                      most were friehgtened to death. then came Iraq which is causing many of the problems we are facing.
                                      Perhaps in the pussy states, but not in the midwest. You would have thought it was one big family after 9-11, all flying American flags anywhere they could. Not afraid of anything and wanted the heads of those who pulled the attack.

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                                        • Antonio
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                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 14136
                                          #11
                                          most predict that the economy is going to bad for at least another year and things will start looking better in 2010, so Obama or no Obama it's gonna be tough for the ordinary people

                                          I, on the other hand am really glad that Obama won - it simply means that the World is moving in the right direction

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                                            • DWB
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                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 31779
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                              I think you missed what happened after 9/11. The country and the world was united but Bush and the neo cons used that unity to push their agenda. Had a person like Obama been president I think we would see a very different world right now.

                                              9/11 was a defining time that a great man as president could have changed the wold for the better. Instead Bush instead used it to divide us.
                                              And then it quickly fell apart.

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                                                • mikeyddddd
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                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 16557
                                                  #13
                                                  Bush squandered the goodwill from 9/11.

                                                  Obama is much smarter than Bush. It will take a long time to get out of the hole Bush dug for us, but Obama will make enough progress that even his doubters will be convinced to work with him to accomplish what needs to be done.

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                                                    • steved
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                                                      • Nov 2003
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                      It made us more racist. Glad to see there are less morans in this country than I first suspected.

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                                                        • DWB
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                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 31779
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by steved

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                                                            • RedShoe
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                              It made us more racist. Glad to see there are less morans in this country than I first suspected.
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                                                                • cykoe6
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by mikeyddddd
                                                                  Obama is much smarter than Bush. It will take a long time to get out of the hole Bush dug for us, but Obama will make enough progress that even his doubters will be convinced to work with him to accomplish what needs to be done.
                                                                  You cannot have unity of purpose if there is a fundamental disagreement about what needs to be done. If the Democrats had nominated a moderate then I think the country could have been united but you cannot expect the whole country to unite around someone as far to the left as Obama.

                                                                  Certainly there is a lot of enthusiasm on this board for Obama but that does not translate into the whole country being behind him. Many people deeply disagree with his plans for the country and they are not likely to jump for joy and follow him down the big government path with clasped hands and a smile on their face.
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                                                                    • LiveDose
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                                                                      • Feb 2002
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Not much will change. DC is built that way on purpose...

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                                                                        • spunkmister
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                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                          • 1362
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                          Perhaps in the pussy states, but not in the midwest. You would have thought it was one big family after 9-11, all flying American flags anywhere they could. Not afraid of anything and wanted the heads of those who pulled the attack.
                                                                          I was still living in SF at the time and I remember there was a shortage of flags...everyone had one of those small flag pins, and had a flag on their car, outside their house etc etc...

                                                                          I even remember having a friend call me in the middle of the day to tell me she found a shop that just restocked on flags and asked if I wanted her to buy me one...

                                                                          There was def a feel of "unity" for a little while...but as the dust settled and decisions were made you saw that feeling subside to one of wtf are we doing?...

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                                                                            • Iron Fist
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                                                                              • Dec 2006
                                                                              • 23400
                                                                              #20
                                                                              If Obama does everything or makes inroads with what he promised, the next election could be a landslide easily...

                                                                              The DOW will need to be over 13,000 by then, but it can be a good measuring stick on if he will get re-elected. He seems to have the integrity to stick to the plan.
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                                                                                • mikeyddddd
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                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                  • 16557
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by cykoe6
                                                                                  You cannot have unity of purpose if there is a fundamental disagreement about what needs to be done. If the Democrats had nominated a moderate then I think the country could have been united but you cannot expect the whole country to unite around someone as far to the left as Obama.

                                                                                  Certainly there is a lot of enthusiasm on this board for Obama but that does not translate into the whole country being behind him. Many people deeply disagree with his plans for the country and they are not likely to jump for joy and follow him down the big government path with clasped hands and a smile on their face.
                                                                                  Obama is not as far left as the attack ads portray him to be. His cabinet and advisors will be pretty solid.

                                                                                  There are a lot of "Reagan" Democrats. I think there will be a lot of "Obama" Republicans before he is done.

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                                                                                    • PurrrsianPussyKat
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                                                                                      • Jan 2004
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by steved
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                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                          And then it quickly fell apart.
                                                                                          It fell apart because of what Bush used that unity for. If you remember the world was behind us and supportive of us in Afghanistan. That unity fell apart after Bush and co changed the focus of the war on terror to invading Iraq and using the lies of WMD's and Saddam's false support of terrorist to do so.
                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                            • Voodoo
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                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                              • 10600
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                              It made us more racist. Glad to see there are less morans in this country than I first suspected.
                                                                                              It's spelled "moron".

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                                                                                                • cykoe6
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2005
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mikeyddddd
                                                                                                  Obama is not as far left as the attack ads portray him to be. His cabinet and advisors will be pretty solid.

                                                                                                  There are a lot of "Reagan" Democrats. I think there will be a lot of "Obama" Republicans before he is done.
                                                                                                  If he governs from the center then you may be correct, but there is nothing in his history or in his stated policy positions which would indicate he intends to govern from the center. I hope I am wrong.
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                                                                                                    • mynameisjim
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2007
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I've been saying this for while, but look at how he ran his campaign. It was virtually flawless. He proved he knows how to pick the right people, make the right decisions, and motivate his people. If he can run the country like that, I see good things.

                                                                                                      I liked his speech tonight. He wasn't celebratory. He looked like he was determined to deliver on a promise.
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                                                                                                        • germ
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                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 3108
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                                                                          It's spelled "moron".
                                                                                                          It was a joke. He was referring to the picture posted above.

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                                                                                                            • pigman
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                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Bush was a tool. Obama got brainpower.
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                                                                                                                • uno
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                                                                                  It's spelled "moron".
                                                                                                                  I almost always spell it "morans" on this board because of that pic. Just a fun inside joke for whoever picks up on it.
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by germ
                                                                                                                      It was a joke. He was referring to the picture posted above.
                                                                                                                      He said it before the pic was posted, MORAN!

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                                                                                                                        • DWB
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                          I've been saying this for while, but look at how he ran his campaign. It was virtually flawless. He proved he knows how to pick the right people, make the right decisions, and motivate his people. If he can run the country like that, I see good things.

                                                                                                                          I liked his speech tonight. He wasn't celebratory. He looked like he was determined to deliver on a promise.
                                                                                                                          With all due respect to him and his people, it was great MARKETING. Now we have to see if he can be a great LEADER. The two are not the same but the world seems to think so.

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                                                                                                                                • StuartD
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Well, everyone raised their fists together yelling "get Osama Bin Laden!!!" and Bush went "you know, he's not really a priority.. I don't know where he is. We're going into Iraq now." and a lot of people went "huh??"

                                                                                                                                  Then came the lies about WMD's that half the country believed, half didn't.... and so forth. Spiral ensues.
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                                                                                                                                    • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                      • 14311
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Obama will use the "unity" to put more troops in Afghanistan and maybe even Pakistan.

                                                                                                                                      There will only be surface changes everything else will stay the same.

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                                                                                                                                        • cherrylula
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                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 15969
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dirtywhiteboy
                                                                                                                                          and then it quickly fell apart.
                                                                                                                                          "mission accomplished"

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                                                                                                                                            • cherrylula
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                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 15969
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by spunkmister
                                                                                                                                              I was still living in SF at the time and I remember there was a shortage of flags...everyone had one of those small flag pins, and had a flag on their car, outside their house etc etc...

                                                                                                                                              I even remember having a friend call me in the middle of the day to tell me she found a shop that just restocked on flags and asked if I wanted her to buy me one...

                                                                                                                                              There was def a feel of "unity" for a little while...but as the dust settled and decisions were made you saw that feeling subside to one of wtf are we doing?...
                                                                                                                                              Yeah and all the flag making factories in China had to keep their slaves a few extra hours every day to fill all the orders.

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                                                                                                                                                • Sausage
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                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I was half expecting the US to nuke the ME after 9/11.

                                                                                                                                                  Surprised they showed so much restraint.
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                                                                                                                                                    • seeandsee
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
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                                                                                                                                                        • TripleXPrint
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          People will always display American flags and Remember 9/11 bumper stickers for generations to come. I doubt anyone will be wearing an "Obama in '08" or "CHANGE" t-shirts in 6 months.

                                                                                                                                                          When all the promise checks start to bounce and the unrealistic expectations put on Obama doesn't come to fruition there's going to be a major unravelling and people will start pointing fingers. There might be a lot of unification right now but I think more now than ever in the history of the U.S. was the turnout of ignorant voters in the electoral this high.
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                                                                                                                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by steved
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                                                                                                                                                                • RevSand
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                                                                                                  With all due respect to him and his people, it was great MARKETING. Now we have to see if he can be a great LEADER. The two are not the same but the world seems to think so.
                                                                                                                                                                  Quoted for truth... I am REALLY hoping all the hype will be true and he will make a difference but only time will tell...


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