Only in fucking USA ( lol ):'Joe the Plumber' Considers Run for ....

He can't do any worse than the tools already in place so let him have at it.

they want him, he will do they tell him to do. I dont think he will survive the upper rectal.

There is something about this guy that just doesnt resonate with me.

what a fucking joke

Not named Joe
Not a plumber
Not "getting ready" (exact quote) to buy his bosses business.
Going to benefit from Obama's tax and health plans and not McCain's
Would not vote for a black candidate if they were giving out free fifth wheel trailers and the other option was to burn alive.
Just another sucker cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Why not ! If your average "Soccer Mom" dipshit can be VP ?

These are called facts.
Please refrain from using them.
Thank you.

Actually, his name is Joe. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher

Many people go by their middle name.

He works for Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. so I guess that makes him a plumber too.

he's not a licensed plumber just like i'm not a licensed Dr.

sure i do rectal exams on the weekend but i'm going to get in trouble when the state finds out i practice medicine without a license.....

Neo-cons like baddog make up excuses for everyone on their side don't they?

Anyways since republicans are so big on being "experienced" before being elected then what's make "Joe" experienced enough to be a Congressman?

And is related to Charles Keating.

I'm surprised byow much that is NOT being brought up. I thought the media was "liberal" you'd think they'd be all over it.

Joe the Plumber = Super Douche. He needs to pretend to fix toliets and go away. Talk about your 15 minutes of fame.

He is NOT even a liscensed plumber so I guess that makes him a fake plumber. Notice FOX is the network that is keeping him in the news...anything to keep from reporting how shitty Mccain runs his campaign.

So how is he different from the other republicans?

directfiesta...
So you are implying that the US is the only country that unqualified people run for political offices?

Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

Beating a sitting congressman - not easy.
Doing it with his last name - Wow! Unless he can legally change his name to Joe the plumber and keep his 15 minutes going.

Side note- Has anyone else seen the stupid ass "I'm Joe the plumber" Spartacus style commercials Mccain's people have running? Just started catching them today.

ok, so the parts about his actual name and that he's "not officially" a plumber are debatable.

Could it be the fact that's he's a lie?

He's not a licensed plumber.
He doesn't pay his taxes.
Only makes 40k a year so his biggest gripe about Obama wouldn't even affect him.
Oh and last but not least his name isn't is fucking "Joe".

Now that I think about it.. He'd make a perfect Republican politician.

Hell maybe he can be Palin's VP in the next election..

the liberal media is a myth created by pundits.So they could play the everyone is against us theme.

hahaha usa medias

it figures you liberal commie bastards would give a REAL HARDWORKING AMERICAN like Joe The Plumber a hard way to go for wanting to SERVE his country.

Yep, he's just another Republitard.

Unless their middle name is "Hussein."

direct fiesta prefers focusing his biased views on a country other than his own.

it's easier that way and corresponds with the sheeple mentality of pointing fingers at america from outside.

oh canada!

'hockey mom' ;)

How uninformed and insensitive of me.
my bad

Joe said he wasn't required to have a license because his boss was licensed..
but:

His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show. But anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.

And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.


He's licensed in other counties, but not the one he's based in..
Could be a little problem for em' both if not fixed...

sounds like a typical politician already to me

lol now i know you're just a fake nick..you can't possibly be this lame.

If I recall he is a short time away from finishing his courses to get his license. His boss is retiring soon and he wanted Samuel Joe to take over the business. I think someone that does plumbing work day in and day out every day would likely be considered a "plumber". He works for a plumbing company, gets paid by a plumbing company, and makes his living doing... plumbing work. I guess that makes him Joe the Chef?

Jimmy Carter

Apprenticeships are 4 years, a Journeyman becomes one after serving 4 years as an apprenticeship. They then take a test and if they score high enough they become a Journeyman Plumber. So "Finishing his courses to get his license" is kinda bullshit. To get his apprentice license all that is required is that he be employed by a licensed contractor with direct supervision by a Journeyman and paying a few bucks.

In most counties and states sticky that is not how it works, to operate a Plumbing business one needs a Masters License which require 8 years experience, 4 as an apprentice and 4 as a Journeyman, that is I think figured on 2000 workings hours per year not just saying you have been doing it for 8 years. He could buy the company 100% and never carry a license at all in most places. He can of course hire a Licensed Master.

If you work for NASA that does not make you an Astronaut, working at a hospital does not make you a surgeon even though you could say you work in the medical field "while you emptied a bedpan". He could be Joe the book keeper or Joe the janitor or even Joe the expediter and still be doing "plumbing work" since it is all plumbing related. The fact is in most locations Joe could own the company and still not be a Plumber.

What you must know to be an Apprentice Plumber:

Shit runs downhill
Payday is Friday
DON'T chew your fingernails


Last, there is no comparing the license that an Electrician or a Plumber carries with a Doctor. The Electrician and Plumber are licensed to do the work in those fields, a Doctor on the other hand is only licensed to "Practice" medicine the same as an Attorney is licensed to "Practice" law.

Well I did heating and cooling from when I was old enough to ride along in the truck till I was in my early 20's for my dads company. Only licenses I ever got were certifications for freon use. Yet when I came to someones house they still said "The heating and cooling guy is here"

He works as a plumber. Democrats split hairs over the stupidest shit lol.

Regardless of all the current details, if he took over his bosses business and made the income his current boss makes, Obama said it flat out. Yes he would be taxed. He would have his "wealth spread around".

Single father of a 13 year old boy asks a question IN HIS OWN FRONT YARD (yup obviously they lured Obama there and he was led into the trap DOH Keatings are devious bastards grr), and the left tears the guy up for asking a question. Investigate the guys tax and personal records and spread them all over the world. WHY oh WHY do you think that they all got their panties in a twist going after a working plumber? Sad.

you must know plumber. lol

for me, the details of his plumbing license status have nothing to do with my opinion. To me he is just some dude that asked Obama a question. How asking a question qualifies some one to run for Congress, is a fucking joke to me.

hahahahahaha

There is something fishy here.. this doesn't sit right with me man... just doesn't seem right... however a plumber running for congress is not that shocking to me anymore... geee... wonder why.....

You're right, the part about him not "officially" being a plumber is kind of splitting hairs, but its a side note that fact lends itself to is that nothing about where this guy was coming from with his question nor the way that McCain is using him in his campaign makes sense. Everything about him and what he said has a big hole in it. If he was making over 250k, then no problem, legitimate question, plumber or not, no problem... legitimate question, done. But again the fact remains, since he does not make over 250k, his question was illegitimate. He even fumbled over the amounts that the business makes to make sure that he stated an amount that would be ober 250k. To fake it was the only way that Joe could put a proverbial finger in Obamas chest (for whatever reason he has to do so) somethinig he would not have had any leverage to do so had he told the truth... that he makes 40k/year and is not "getting ready" to buy his bosses business, as he said, "Its a dream of mine". Since the truth is not much to stand on against Obama (in fact its reason to stand with him), Joe had to make something up.

Obama said he would be taxed when he was under the impression that Joe would be making 280k per year like Joe said. Surely he would take the man at his word. Now that Obama has the correct information and Joe admits that he makes no where near that, the fact is clear, Joes taxes will remain the same as they are now under Obama. You can't lie and say you're gonna be making 280k and then run around and say "see he's gonna tax me" when you actually only make $40k. That's simply a lie.


Bottom line, IF YOU MAKE OVER 250k YOUR BUSH TAX CUT WILL GO AWAY, IF YOU MAKE UNDER 250k YOUR TAXES WILL STAY THE SAME. Read that over a couple of times, repubs seem to not hear that.

Single father of a 13 year old boy askes a question based on a made up scenario where he would make over 250k. Thats what this is all about, whether he makes or is about to make 250k+ or not. He said he was "about to", he IS NOT about to. That's what this is all about. He faked it. When you fake or lie about something, especially something that has important implications, people absolutely do get their panties in a twist and will and should go after you every time. Lie in court and you go to jail. If you're gonna lie, you have to be willing to face the consequences and that's what Joe is going through right now. It's not a poor guy who asked a legitimate question in his front yard. It's a guy who stretched the truth and asked an illegitimate question in order to be able to corner a guy who he is against (for some reason that's not logically nor reasonably apparent). You can win a lot of arguments by lying but it doesn't make you right.

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR = taxes WILL go up
UNDER TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR (Joe Plumber for now and years to come) = taxes WILL NOT go up

That being said, see the "Sara Pailin meets Joe The Plumber" scene which is converting like crazy at CougarsInHeat.com now!

there are way to many posts to read threw now but not having a liscense dosent mean anything. its just something the state gives you saying you have a business. i spray drywall texture but i dont need a liscense. and how many people here still drive even though they have a suspended liscense. just cuz you dont have a liscense to drive dosent mean you dont know how to drive. anyway. about that $250,000 that obama wants to tax. if you can make 250,000 a year then you should definatly be able to afford health care for your employees. bad john mccain for thinking thats a terrible plan. and if you make 250k shame on you for thinking you will be broke for having to pay higher taxes, like the world is comming to an end. just the concerns joe the plumber has.

Its simple really. He asked Obama a simple hypothetical question in his own front yard. He did not request Obama to come there. So much for the (keating conspiracy) lol. He asks him the question we all know what he asked. Obama answered. Doesn't matter whether he already owns it. In fact I think its pretty damn smart to find out the answers before he takes over the business. Him and his boss had already talked about him taking over the business. So regardless of the license, his current salary etc, the guy wanted an answer. Obama answered in a way that obviously sparked up an issue with a large percentage of the country. Spread the wealth. All these diversions on Joe, and Joe's background, tax history, current license situation, etc etc are all bs.

Why in the world a private citizen asking an honest question deserves him to have his life torn apart is beyond me. I don't care if he is running for office. If he does more power to him. We need more people like that in office imo. Common sense non elitists that know they are in office to serve, not to be served. Ok back to my Wendy's frosty and Hamburger mmmmm.

I couldn't agree more

Joe The Plumber has a better grasp on politics than most.

Republitards Unite!

p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c

Neither statement is true whether or not Obama or MCCain is president.

Would McCain like to keep the Bush tax cuts for all? Sure. Does the president pass tax laws? no. CONGRESS does. He can ASK Congress to keep the Bush tax cuts for the highest income bracket. What are the odds a Democratically controlled Congress will do that? NONE. So McCain is making promises he KNOWS he can not possibly keep. Also Mcain want to tax the health care benefits fup those same people making $250,000 as income which they are not now curently taxed. So how is he not raising taxes? McCain wants to give everyone making undeer a certain amount a $5000 check to spend on health insurance. How is that not a government handout? McCain supporters can not explain these things.

The fact you agree with sticky tells me all I need to know about you.