The difference under Obama would be $257.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23780.html
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23780.html
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MCCain is so full of shit 9it's not even funny.
A) first of all he's running for President not King or Congress. The President doesn't enact tax laws CONGRESS does. If McCain wants to keep the Bush tax cut for the upper bracket he has to ask CONGRESS ot do it. Do you HONESTLY think a democratically controlled Congress will do that? Do you HONESTLY think a democratically controlled Congress will do ANYHTHING McCain wants without severe compromising on his part?
B) He talks about government giveaways and handouts and socialism. Didn't he vote FOR the bailout? yes. Isn't he proposing a $5000 tax CREDIT for his health care plan? YES. for those that don't know a CREDIT is not a DEDUCTION. A deduction you are just reducing your own taxes. A credit means the GOVERNMENT is giving you a check for $5000. Now where is this CREDIT money going to come from? Well he's going to TAX the HIGHEST income earners health insurance. So in other words he taking money form the wealthiest Americans and is going to REDISTRIBUTE it to everyone else. And this is different from Obama how?
He says Obama's health care plan is bad. Considering it's the SAME health plan McCain gladly accepts as being a member of the government and I find that laughable. If it's so bad why doesn't McCain get his own plan? It's not like he can't afford a private plan. his wife is worth over $100 million.
Also he says the government should stay out of healthcare. Last time I checked the money that you get from his health tax credit is coming form the GOVERNMENT. I about 100% positive the check will say "United States of America" on it somewhere. Is he seriously trying to tell us that he plans on giving everyone a $500 check and he's doesn't have any plan to make sure that check gets spent on health insurance instead of a HDTV or a vacation? If not then his "health" care plan is not only stupid, but won't solve the health care problem at all. If he does have some sort of accounting for the money then that IS in fact getting the government involved.Comment
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There is no arguing with these types either. Anything you try to explain to them about Obama is false and he is a liar.
What I also find is that the Republican target voting base doesn't even understand how the US government works. That's why Palin can get away with spewing this crap...
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Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, ?What does the Vice President do??
PALIN: That?s something that Piper would ask me! ? [T]hey?re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/
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Here is the thing. They are all blowing smoke up your ass.
There is nothing either of them can do to fix shit or generate enough money to do anything. It's all a pipe dream and false promises to get them elected.
No need to worry.
Besides, if you are smart you do not pay much in taxes anyway. Let the poor uneducated people pay all the taxes.Comment
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wow, that picture is worth 1,000 misspelled wordsComment
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Obama will win it in the end. you will see....Comment
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I hope Obama increase taxes, for most people.
Your government need to stop making a deficit.Suffering arises from attachment to desires.
Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases.Comment
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Heres the breakdown as far as I understand it...
Obama wants to increase taxes by 3% for those making a profit of over 250,000... remember I said profit. So if someone is making 300,000 profit... 50,000 of that will be taxed at the higher level resulting in having to pay about $1500 more than they are now for that same amount. People who are making over 700,000 profit have a higher bracket and so on.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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The problem is that there's a bad word for a government that supports it's people "socialest" (according to that pic).
There is no bad word for a government that borrows money until it's the poorest rich country on the planet and then creates money out of thin air that the tax payers have to pay back.
Create a governmental political word for that type of government and suddenly there'll be a new bad guy in town.Comment
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fuck government, that shit is broken either way
money is the only politics in this world
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They talk about how broke this country is yet they keep giving tax refund "stimulus" checks out.
How the hell is this country in an economic crisis if they keep sending families checks for a few hundred bucks each???
LIES LIES LIESComment
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I'll gladly pay the extra money $257 etc...... not to have McCain/Palin in the whitehouse. Do you think the adult Industry is going to be immune from a witch hunt from this religious slag???????email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net
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Partisan politics.
par·ti·san 1 (pärt-zn)
n.
1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.
2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.ICQ 557504926Comment
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its not partisan the link i postedPartisan politics.
par·ti·san 1 (pärt-zn)
n.
1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.
2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.
The Tax Policy Blog is the official weblog of the Tax Foundation, a non-partisan, non-profit research organization that has monitored tax policy at the federal, state and local levels since 1937.Comment
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Americans!, Be smarter, didn't You get tired how republicans fucked your economy during the 8 years and How United States lost it's Prestige during 8 years, because of Their fucking politics?
vote for economy this time and all times.
Ok i agree since Your presidents are mostly dumbfuck puppets, Nothing will change in fact, but at least Your Strategy makers may re Regulate their plans within looking Your views...Last edited by AtlantisCash; 10-23-2008, 10:19 AM.Comment
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No, he posted a link to other people's claims...
Look, if Obama wants to write me an affidavit saying that the extent of the increase in my tax obligations will be limited to an additional $257 a year, then I'll write him a check for $1,028 to cover his 4 years of idiocy and cast a vote for him.
But frankly, THAT has as much a chance of happening as does a "only $257/yr increase"Last edited by Stephen; 10-23-2008, 11:00 AM.Comment
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From the bottom of their homepage (where the figures you quoted are from):
"Disclaimer: All views expressed on the Tax Foundation?s Tax Policy Blog are those of the individual authors, and do not necessarily represent the views of the Tax Foundation, its Board of Directors, or its financial contributors. The Tax Foundation makes no representation concerning the views expressed, and does not guarantee the source, originality, accuracy, completeness or reliability of any statement, information, data, finding, interpretation, advice, opinion, or view presented."
So, you can take those numbers as seriously as any posted on any public forum...Comment
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Also, I don't know if you noticed a little further past the claimed $257 increase:
"Under McCain, Joe the Plumber would pay $56,731 in 2011. Under Obama, Joe the Plumber would pay $58,371 in 2011. That means his tax liability would be about $1,640 lower under McCain compared to Obama in 2011."Comment
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I make under 200K a year, and it will take me a good while to get to 250K, so I'm not worried.
In any case, paying a few extra bucks is worth not having that pr*ck of McCain in office.Comment
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Well actually the two guys who wrote that are on staff at the tax foundation and lets look at them
Gerald Prante
Senior Economist
Gerald Prante is a senior economist at the Tax Foundation and a Ph.D. student (ABD) in economics at George Mason University. While at the Tax Foundation, Gerald has done work on issues at both the federal and local levels with a special emphasis in data analysis, including microsimulation models and local geographic data. On issues, he specializes in the federal income tax at the federal level and property taxes at the state/local level. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Atlantic Monthly, the Economist, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, USA Today, and the New York Post, among others. He has appeared on C-SPAN's Washington Journal program, as well as CNBC and numerous radio programs. Gerald holds a bachelor?s degree in economics and political science, and a master?s degree in economics from Southern Illinois University Edwardsville. Gerald has also taught economics at Southwestern Illinois College and East Central College. While at the Tax Foundation, he is pursuing a doctorate in economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, specializing in the fields of public finance and industrial organization. He is currently working on his dissertation.
Mark Robyn
Analyst/Programmer
Mark Robyn is an analyst at the Tax Foundation. He conducts research in support of Tax Foundation economists working on a variety of federal, state, and local tax policy issues. His research has focused on various subjects such as the alternative minimum tax, the earned income credit, and the child credit. Mark has also aided in the development of the Tax Foundation's federal income tax computer simulation. Mark holds a B.S. in applied mathematics from Geneva College.
If not them how about the washington post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060900950.htmlComment
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Um if you can afford $56,731 yo can afford $58,371.
Let put it another way. If his tax was $100 under McCain it would then "supposedly" increase to $102.89 under Obama. WOW $3. Big whoop. Of course this doesn't take into account that McCain would tax Joe's health insurance premiums.Comment
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