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  • u-Bob
    there's no $$$ in porn
    • Jul 2005
    • 33063

    #1

    Program owners: hide your "webmaster" links / traffic leaks

    Why put a big "webmasters click here to make money" button, banner or link on your paysites, when a tiny "webmasters" link at the bottom of the page would be more than sufficient?
  • bobby666
    boots are my religion
    • Nov 2005
    • 21765

    #2
    my webmaster links are usually more than tiny

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    • Lycanthrope
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2004
      • 4517

      #3
      Amen, and for fucks' sake, put your content and hosted galleries in a protected area.

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      • Pete-KT
        Workin With The Devil
        • Oct 2004
        • 51532

        #4
        ours are tiny and at the bottom

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        • tiger
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2002
          • 6986

          #5
          Originally posted by Lycanthrope
          Amen, and for fucks' sake, put your content and hosted galleries in a protected area.

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          • selena
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2004
            • 7995

            #6
            Originally posted by Lycanthrope
            Amen, and for fucks' sake, put your content and hosted galleries in a protected area.
            I have quit promoting otherwise good sponsors over this.
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            • TheDoc
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 13827

              #7
              Whaattt?

              So you "think" having a link that says, Webmasters Make Money Online - vs just Webmasters - Produces more clicks or a traffic leak? Wait wait... so a paysite owner trying to make money, is going to "give up traffic" - knowingly to a long phrase Webmaster link?

              Is the coffee spiked this morning?

              I use "phrases" because I care about Search Engine Traffic. Your link or my hard link (if no affiliate id is present) using "text phrases" is GOOD FOR YOU...

              Just a crazy thought, but a surfer "actually buying porn" is going to either not click it, even if it's font size 20 and blinking red - or they will hit back. Otherwise, they aren't buying anyway..

              A traffic leak.. What's next, stamping content is producing type-ins?
              ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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              • Manowar
                jellyfish  
                • Dec 2003
                • 71528

                #8
                Originally posted by Lycanthrope
                Amen, and for fucks' sake, put your content and hosted galleries in a protected area.
                i wish more people did this.

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                • Vigilante
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 696

                  #9
                  Hmm nooby question i guess but how do i secure my gallerys? Some script protecting thing?

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                  • Klen
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 32234

                    #10
                    Yeah i just noticed that on dogfart paysite huge fancy banner on bottom for webmasters.

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                    • TheDoc
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 13827

                      #11
                      Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                      Yeah i just noticed that on dogfart paysite huge fancy banner on bottom for webmasters.
                      Hehe, ok the dogfart one is a bit much.. it wouldn't be so bad if it has some tour, join, member text of some kind above it. That setup is just stupid in general though, even if it was smaller, it's location is still retarded.
                      ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                      • After Shock Media
                        It's coming look busy
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 35299

                        #12
                        I do not see them as a leak etc. I do however wish paysites would remove them all together.

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                        • u-Bob
                          there's no $$$ in porn
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 33063

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                          Just a crazy thought, but a surfer "actually buying porn" is going to either not click it, even if it's font size 20 and blinking red - or they will hit back.
                          why even take the risk?

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                          • u-Bob
                            there's no $$$ in porn
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 33063

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                            Hehe, ok the dogfart one is a bit much.. it wouldn't be so bad if it has some tour, join, member text of some kind above it. That setup is just stupid in general though, even if it was smaller, it's location is still retarded.
                            check this one: http://bustbox.com/site/index.php?affcode= the "webmaster" button is right up there with the surfer navigation buttons...

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                            • NickB.
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2001
                              • 8865

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                              Whaattt?

                              So you "think" having a link that says, Webmasters Make Money Online - vs just Webmasters - Produces more clicks or a traffic leak? Wait wait... so a paysite owner trying to make money, is going to "give up traffic" - knowingly to a long phrase Webmaster link?

                              Is the coffee spiked this morning?

                              I use "phrases" because I care about Search Engine Traffic. Your link or my hard link (if no affiliate id is present) using "text phrases" is GOOD FOR YOU...

                              Just a crazy thought, but a surfer "actually buying porn" is going to either not click it, even if it's font size 20 and blinking red - or they will hit back. Otherwise, they aren't buying anyway..

                              A traffic leak.. What's next, stamping content is producing type-ins?
                              I really enjoyed readin that

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                              • fuzebox
                                making it rain
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 22370

                                #16
                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                Just a crazy thought, but a surfer "actually buying porn" is going to either not click it, even if it's font size 20 and blinking red - or they will hit back. Otherwise, they aren't buying anyway..
                                A while back there was a thread called "how did you get into the adult industry" or something... Many, many people replied that they were surfing porn and the "make money" link caught their eye...

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                                • ~Ray
                                  visit hardlinks.org
                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 18361

                                  #17
                                  and be sure to include our webmaster referral code
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                                  • Klen
                                    • Aug 2006
                                    • 32234

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                                    A while back there was a thread called "how did you get into the adult industry" or something... Many, many people replied that they were surfing porn and the "make money" link caught their eye...
                                    If my memory serves me well,i think i started same way.

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                                    • Puremeds-J
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Sep 2008
                                      • 939

                                      #19
                                      I don't consider it a traffic leak. But I do agree a small link at the bottom should be just fine.

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                                      • InternetIsForPorn
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2007
                                        • 848

                                        #20
                                        I remember numerous instances when I couldn't find the affiliate link because it was a shiny banner.

                                        I was looking for a small text link at the button "Webmasters" "Affiliates" or whatever.

                                        It's the standard these days, do some sponsors actually think it's gonna get them more affiliates?

                                        Bullshit

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                                        • starpimps
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Sep 2006
                                          • 6954

                                          #21
                                          i hide my webmaster link but doing a leet 98 seo trick..text same color as bg
                                          Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls

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                                          • MaDalton
                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39864

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Lycanthrope
                                            Amen, and for fucks' sake, put your content and hosted galleries in a protected area.
                                            can someone explain this a little more, please? i guess we're not talking about the member content
                                            AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003
                                            Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites
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                                            • MaDalton
                                              I am Amazing Content!
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 39864

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                                              can someone explain this a little more, please? i guess we're not talking about the member content
                                              ok, now i got it. i thought that was common anyways
                                              AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003
                                              Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites
                                              Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you!
                                              Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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                                              • bloggingseo
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2007
                                                • 1793

                                                #24
                                                Geez I would think a small link at the bottom would be common sense

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                                                • TheDoc
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 13827

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                  A while back there was a thread called "how did you get into the adult industry" or something... Many, many people replied that they were surfing porn and the "make money" link caught their eye...
                                                  If someone clicks the link, signups and becomes a Webmaster (that was a surfer) you converted them into a different business model. That's a good thing for you and the webmaster that referred them.

                                                  If they were still a surfer, they would go back - if they never saw a link like that before... And yes, I'm sure some surfers signup to programs, but most programs check accounts and approve them, or at least verify they are real.

                                                  Today you visit amazon and you can signup and promote them, it's that way on almost every site. The links are all over, so people clicking them, to signup and promote you, isn't like it once was.


                                                  And I do agree, a huge banner, flashy or whatever at the bottom for Webmasters is pointless. But this post was about text links and not buttons/banners. And text links, even duplicate result links from affiliate id's still get results in Google and for sure in other Engines.
                                                  ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                  It's all disambiguation

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                                                  • BradM
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                    • 3397

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                    A while back there was a thread called "how did you get into the adult industry" or something... Many, many people replied that they were surfing porn and the "make money" link caught their eye...
                                                    That's how I got in.

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                                                    • woj
                                                      <&(©¿©)&>
                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                      • 47880

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BradM
                                                      That's how I got in.
                                                      yea, that's how most got in I would think....
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                                                      • MrAwesome
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                        • 898

                                                        #28
                                                        both sides are valid...
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                                                        • u-Bob
                                                          there's no $$$ in porn
                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                          • 33063

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                          And I do agree, a huge banner, flashy or whatever at the bottom for Webmasters is pointless.
                                                          Exactly, a small text link at the bottom of the page is more then enough (and the anchor doesn't even matter).

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                                                          • CaptainHowdy
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Dec 2004
                                                            • 94162

                                                            #30
                                                            Good call, u-Bob ...

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                                                            • sweetredhead
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jun 2008
                                                              • 443

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                              Whaattt?

                                                              So you "think" having a link that says, Webmasters Make Money Online - vs just Webmasters - Produces more clicks or a traffic leak? Wait wait... so a paysite owner trying to make money, is going to "give up traffic" - knowingly to a long phrase Webmaster link?

                                                              Is the coffee spiked this morning?

                                                              I use "phrases" because I care about Search Engine Traffic. Your link or my hard link (if no affiliate id is present) using "text phrases" is GOOD FOR YOU...

                                                              Just a crazy thought, but a surfer "actually buying porn" is going to either not click it, even if it's font size 20 and blinking red - or they will hit back. Otherwise, they aren't buying anyway..

                                                              A traffic leak.. What's next, stamping content is producing type-ins?
                                                              Great Rant
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                                                              • mynameisjim
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                • 2985

                                                                #32
                                                                A small link at the bottom that says "webmasters" is fine. Some sites do go overboard though. One sponsor I promote has movie galleries and the only clickable link below the fold says "$$Webmasters Make Money$$" I don't think galleries should have webmaster links.
                                                                jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 13827

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                  Exactly, a small text link at the bottom of the page is more then enough (and the anchor doesn't even matter).
                                                                  Exactly is in reference to a banner/button - which this post isn't about and everyone can agree that a graphic isn't needed. So I'm not sure why this would be brought up again.


                                                                  The size of the anchor text, or amount of words used, within reason of course. Isn't going to draw in more surfer clicks. So having "webmasters" vs. "adult webmasters make money" isn't going to be a traffic leak.

                                                                  That is what the post is about - and a larger text phrase isn't a traffic leak.

                                                                  And yes, it does help with search engines. Yes, the link coming in helps anyway, but you can use the anchor text to help control and move the keyword/phrases that you list on. So instead of letting the bots tell what the page is about, you use anchor text to control the meaning of pages/sections and flow - so you rank better and with more phrases.
                                                                  ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                  • TheDoc
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 13827

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                    A small link at the bottom that says "webmasters" is fine. Some sites do go overboard though. One sponsor I promote has movie galleries and the only clickable link below the fold says "$$Webmasters Make Money$$" I don't think galleries should have webmaster links.
                                                                    That's a different subject all together.. for sure if it's large and above the fold.

                                                                    I have had the links, removed them, then included them with a clean footer on galleries. For the most part, I try to not include them on the galleries. Webmasters will click through to the tour, I assumed.

                                                                    I "think" most programs would track/credit you with the sale on those links. So you would notice traffic on it, depending on the program. And to be honest, galleries get sooooo much traffic - the ratio they send to the program with links is so tiny you don't even notice it on alexa.

                                                                    So prob not so much a traffic leak, but for sure an area that the link isn't needed at all.
                                                                    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 13827

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                      Exactly, a small text link at the bottom of the page is more then enough (and the anchor doesn't even matter).
                                                                      Ok, i see in your org post you did say long text or banner/button.. my bad.

                                                                      Anyway, banners/buttons on tours or promo tools = stupid. My guess would be, complain to the program. If you don't complain, the program never knows it's an issue. It may not be a traffic leak, so they don't care.. but if at least tell them you care - the bug as been set.

                                                                      Even one complaint may get it changed, lots of complaints will almost for sure get it changed. And/or find one of the bigger Webmasters that push them and ask them to complain for you.

                                                                      Programs have lots of errors, problems, stupid things.. and honestly, it can go screwed for months or even years, before one Webmaster ever says anything.
                                                                      ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                      It's all disambiguation

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                                                                      • fuzebox
                                                                        making it rain
                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                        • 22370

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                        If someone clicks the link, signups and becomes a Webmaster (that was a surfer) you converted them into a different business model. That's a good thing for you and the webmaster that referred them.
                                                                        Seeing as most programs don't carry the affiliate ID, that does nothing for the webmaster that referred them

                                                                        I assumed most people don't want more newbies in the industry, the "slice of pie" argument is brought up every time someone complains about how it wasn't as easy as it was in 1999. I personally think it's irresponsible to try and convert your customers into competitors.

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                                                                        • TheDoc
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 13827

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                          Seeing as most programs don't carry the affiliate ID, that does nothing for the webmaster that referred them
                                                                          Silly programs... like programs with no referral program that have webmaster links?
                                                                          ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                          • TheDoc
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 13827

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                            I assumed most people don't want more newbies in the industry, the "slice of pie" argument is brought up every time someone complains about how it wasn't as easy as it was in 1999. I personally think it's irresponsible to try and convert your customers into competitors.

                                                                            I feel that we need LOTS more Webmasters, 1000's if not 10,000's of more.. we need to bring back everyone that left, get all the webmasters that changed to paysites, to start slinging traffic again.

                                                                            We need MORE world exposure. As our Webmaster base shrinks - so does our overall adult traffic bubble. Those extra 1000's of Webmasters, help bring in fresh traffic, dirty traffic, more se traffic... more of everything - so everyone globally had more traffic to deal with.
                                                                            ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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