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Anyone who thinks tube sites arnt fucking paysites and recurring is crazy

10-17-2008, 03:11 PM

why produce content when all the tubes send there traffic to only cam and dating sites.
why dont dating and cam sites produce content like everyone else and water mark them so you get traffic.
this is the main reason I had to start a new product getrichinporn.com since paysites are getting fucked and no way to stop it.

I dont care what type of tube site or tgp or whatever that offers free hardcore is fucking the paysite membership recurring model

soon everyone will just launch cam and dating sites and not produce content whats the point

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10-17-2008, 03:14 PM

yes, but there are still plenty of trials to be sold to subniche surfers.
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10-17-2008, 03:14 PM

on another note what is a good script to add videos to alot of tubes
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10-17-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

yes, but there are still plenty of trials to be sold to subniche surfers.

not even. if someone can jack off free they will times are tough now people wont pay if they dont have to. you might get newbies but the future surfers are internet savvy they grew up online
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10-17-2008, 03:28 PM

people are in denial...

i think the only ones that are doing well are those people in nice niches, like robbie, bvf, and bartoejammers...

if you want the truth about declines ask xxxjay, he's one of the few people that actually tell the truth about their numbers...
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10-17-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

you might get newbies but the future surfers are internet savvy they grew up online

I agree... the new generation is being trained that paying for porn is stupid. I don't blame them... why would you? Some people will say that "they'll pay for quality and tubes don't offer the quality." Well, it's only a matter of time til some idiot comes along and makes a HD Tube Site to try and corner the market on that.

Bottom line... there are still those who are willing to pay for porn, but it's decreasing as time goes on. Unfortunately, we're fucked. There's no putting the shit back in the horse at this point.

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10-17-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

not even. if someone can jack off free they will times are tough now people wont pay if they dont have to. you might get newbies but the future surfers are internet savvy they grew up online

I disagree somewhat: of course there are going to be a majority of surfers who can jack off all day to porn tubes, but you are still going to get porn obsessed surfers who just have to see more of a particular scene or girl, and can't find it on a tube or torrent or who don't mind forking out for a $1 trial to get what they feel they need.
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10-17-2008, 03:31 PM

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I agree... the new generation is being trained that paying for porn is stupid. I don't blame them... why would you? Some people will say that "they'll pay for quality and tubes don't offer the quality." Well, it's only a matter of time til some idiot comes along and makes a HD Tube Site to try and corner the market on that.

Bottom line... there are still those who are willing to pay for porn, but it's decreasing as time goes on. Unfortunately, we're fucked. There's no putting the shit back in the horse at this point.

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Ad long as cam and dating Companies support them it will kill retention and paysites.
so its time to come up with something new that people will pay for cause porn is fucked
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10-17-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

I disagree somewhat: of course there are going to be a majority of surfers who can jack off all day to porn tubes, but you are still going to get porn obsessed surfers who just have to see more of a particular scene or girl, and can't find it on a tube or torrent or who don't mind forking out for a $1 trial to get what they feel they need.

ok do your own poll and ask your friends where they go to see porn I bet they will all say a free site none will pay. and who cares about the trial when they realize they can jack off free they will cancel or chargeback.
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10-17-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

why produce content when all the tubes send there traffic to only cam and dating sites.
why dont dating and cam sites produce content like everyone else and water mark them so you get traffic.
this is the main reason I had to start a new product getrichinporn.com since paysites are getting fucked and no way to stop it.

I dont care what type of tube site or tgp or whatever that offers free hardcore is fucking the paysite membership recurring model

soon everyone will just launch cam and dating sites and not produce content whats the point

please call me sugarpop. i pulled my getrichinporn links but was hoping to access some other links on file if possible. i am technology challenged, help me

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10-17-2008, 03:39 PM

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please call me sugarpop. i pulled my getrichinporn links but was hoping to access some other links on file if possible. i am technology challenged, help me

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10-17-2008, 03:39 PM

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10-17-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

Ad long as cam and dating Companies support them it will kill retention and paysites.
so its time to come up with something new that people will pay for cause porn is fucked

Just shows how we function as an industry. We eat ourselves.

What we need to do is educate the surfers that they don't need these dating sites. Guess what... there's a free dating site online now and it's 100% free. It's called Myspace. You have a WAY better shot getting laid there than with any of these other bullshit dating sites.

Cams offer a service. I can see that. Watching a girl perform where you can interact is really something that can't be imitated. There's just a certain level of excitement about it. However, I'm not in that market so I don't know any realistic numbers. Of course there's going to be whales that drop massive money, but I can't imagine every dude that swings by dropping like $5 a minute to watch some chick... and if they do, I can't imagine them doing that too often, especially in this economy.

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10-17-2008, 03:41 PM

So I take it you're seeing numbers get alot worse with your sales and retention then?

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10-17-2008, 03:45 PM

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So I take it you're seeing numbers get alot worse with your sales and retention then?

We are doing amazing with our Porn Biz opp sites. Our paysites are doing ok but I dont see spending more money on them or even launching more matters. I new this was coming so I changed my model most of my traffic now is inhouse with SE. Webmasters sending me traffic now is just a bonus
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10-17-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

Ad long as cam and dating Companies support them it will kill retention and paysites.

Dating & Cam programs don't give a flying fuck about porn.

They have their own, completely different stuff to sell.
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10-17-2008, 03:50 PM

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Dating & Cam programs don't give a flying fuck about porn.

They have their own, completely different stuff to sell.

sooo... why don't they capture their own shows and give them away for free on camsitetubes? hmmmmmmm???? how come they are allowed to rape our (content producers) business so they profit and we die???

oh ya - cause they want their stuff to be exclusive and 'paid-for'

and we all just roll over and let them

i r fuckin' amazed

believe me - without free porn, just as many people will seek porn out on the Internet, and many more will pay if there is no free alternative, its not like sex is a fad - it can be milked much like any renewable resource - long term

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10-17-2008, 04:10 PM

It's funny because people keep saying over and over again that tube site surfers don't buy memberships.

How many of you have tube sites or market on tubes sites and thus have a large enough pool of experience to draw that conclusion from?

On many sponsors, my ratios are better with tube surfers than MGP surfers. On really bizzare niches too like teen and lesbian!

One large sponsor which makes a good comparision because I send lots of both types of traffic broke down like this for last month:

Tube Traffic 1:669 First Page Unique
MGP Galleries 1:1347 First Page Unique

Someone should tell the tube surfers they don't buy memberships because they don't seem to know.

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10-17-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

people are in denial...

i think the only ones that are doing well are those people in nice niches, like robbie, bvf, and bartoejammers...

if you want the truth about declines ask xxxjay, he's one of the few people that actually tell the truth about their numbers...

Well, when you deal in free site traffic and your focus changes to paysites, you aren't going to stay pimp. I tried that, and I lost too. I can't name anyone that has held ground in both areas, when both are of size.

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10-17-2008, 04:20 PM

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10-17-2008, 04:21 PM

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It's funny because people keep saying over and over again that tube site surfers don't buy memberships.

How many of you have tube sites or market on tubes sites and thus have a large enough pool of experience to draw that conclusion from?

On many sponsors, my ratios are better with tube surfers than MGP surfers. On really bizzare niches too like teen and lesbian!

One large sponsor which makes a good comparision because I send lots of both types of traffic broke down like this for last month:

Tube Traffic 1:669 First Page Unique
MGP Galleries 1:1347 First Page Unique

Someone should tell the tube surfers they don't buy memberships because they don't seem to know.

Bam Exactly! ... EXACT same numbers that I have.. Other than my MGP has produced "ZERO" sales (0:10k+ total so far, 3 weeks old) an my tiny ass tube is kickin ass, average of 1.2 sales a day.

I built a tube, went to sleep, got up with a few micro se hits.. I built an MGP, did nothing and had nothing.

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10-17-2008, 04:22 PM

nice read, posting for automatic subscription to keep an eye on it
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10-17-2008, 05:15 PM

Well, nobody will do anything but tube sites could be out of business in 18 months if.

1) Paysites started locking down their content and streaming it.

2) The content that is left floating around could start to be brought down via DMCA filings.

On a lot of tube site I already see recycled videos being added as "new" and the user comments all complain about it. If you start cutting into their content and the supply of new content dries up, surfers will start to migrate away. With the high bandwidth of tube sites, they won't be able to sustain a loss for very long before they pull the plug. Also, most tube site owners I assume are people who like to stay ahead of the curve. Once they see the decline coming, they'll walk away.

But like I said, nothing will get done.

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10-17-2008, 05:55 PM

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yes, but there are still plenty of trials to be sold to subniche surfers.

Yes and after more than 10 years online, cam SUCKS ASS BIG TIME
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10-17-2008, 06:46 PM

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Well, nobody will do anything but tube sites could be out of business in 18 months if.

1) Paysites started locking down their content and streaming it.

2) The content that is left floating around could start to be brought down via DMCA filings.

On a lot of tube site I already see recycled videos being added as "new" and the user comments all complain about it. If you start cutting into their content and the supply of new content dries up, surfers will start to migrate away. With the high bandwidth of tube sites, they won't be able to sustain a loss for very long before they pull the plug. Also, most tube site owners I assume are people who like to stay ahead of the curve. Once they see the decline coming, they'll walk away.

But like I said, nothing will get done.

I'm doing both of these. I'm switching over my paysites to be streaming only, and registering all content with the copyright office before anything goes live.
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10-17-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

people are in denial...

i think the only ones that are doing well are those people in nice niches, like robbie, bvf, and bartoejammers...

if you want the truth about declines ask xxxjay, he's one of the few people that actually tell the truth about their numbers...

You are correct. I run quite a few LEGAL TEVS powered tubes.

The general tubes convert at 1:4000+

The niche tubes convert at 1:1800+
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10-18-2008, 09:06 AM

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10-18-2008, 03:57 PM

People have been shouting about the death of the porn biz forever.
In 1995, when we started, it was what were then called "free sites"
who were going to bring the industry down. Then TGPs were the end
of adult, the MGPs, then tubes. Listen, Chicken Little, people have been
buying porn for as long as there has been money - thousands of years.
People will be buying porn thousands of years from now. 2,500 years
ago you could get free porn that was in public places, or you could buy
it from the arist. Some people bought it from the artist then, they do now,
and they always will. You job is to learn how to apply the traffic generating
techniques you used to use with MGPs to tubes, which are really just
MGPs that are capable of magically multiplying your work as people
other than yourself post your videos.

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10-18-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by junction

You are correct. I run quite a few LEGAL TEVS powered tubes.

The general tubes convert at 1:4000+

The niche tubes convert at 1:1800+

Is that 1:4000 on clicks to the sponsor or pageviews to the tube pages?
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10-18-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by RogerV

why produce content when all the tubes send there traffic to only cam and dating sites.
why dont dating and cam sites produce content like everyone else and water mark them so you get traffic.
this is the main reason I had to start a new product getrichinporn.com since paysites are getting fucked and no way to stop it.

I dont care what type of tube site or tgp or whatever that offers free hardcore is fucking the paysite membership recurring model

soon everyone will just launch cam and dating sites and not produce content whats the point

If cam and dating programs would stop prepaying for 25k+ monthly ad spots on these tube sites, they couldnt pay their bills.

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10-18-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by junction

You are correct. I run quite a few LEGAL TEVS powered tubes.

The general tubes convert at 1:4000+

The niche tubes convert at 1:1800+

I dont mind tube sites or any free sites as long as they serve there purpose which is to tease the surfers and upsell to pay. otherwise whats the point.

I just think its BS when Other products are the upsell while the producers of the content get fucked
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10-19-2008, 12:04 AM

here is an article from xbiz about this issue and generational issues that adult faces.

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10-19-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by fris

If cam and dating programs would stop prepaying for 25k+ monthly ad spots on these tube sites, they couldnt pay their bills.

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10-19-2008, 01:41 AM

You have to consider that while tube traffic may convert even better than MGP traffic based on sponsor clicks.. the clickthrough ratio (pageview to sponsor) is WAY LOWER (at least for me). Thus MGP traffic practically converts better, based on my own experience. Your results might vary but at least take into account the pageview to sponsor ratio and not just sponsor hit to sponsor sale ratio.

Naturally some less than 2 minute tube clips can easily outperform MGPs but if the clips are 2+ min I'd say MGPs make more sales with the same amount of traffic.

Sites like pornhub that have tons of full-length scenes sure convert paysite traffic extremely poorly. (Video pageviews to paysite sale ratio)

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10-19-2008, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

It's funny because people keep saying over and over again that tube site surfers don't buy memberships.

How many of you have tube sites or market on tubes sites and thus have a large enough pool of experience to draw that conclusion from?

On many sponsors, my ratios are better with tube surfers than MGP surfers. On really bizzare niches too like teen and lesbian!

One large sponsor which makes a good comparision because I send lots of both types of traffic broke down like this for last month:

Tube Traffic 1:669 First Page Unique
MGP Galleries 1:1347 First Page Unique

Someone should tell the tube surfers they don't buy memberships because they don't seem to know.

That is the first thing I've read here that makes me want to do a tube site.

Interesting.
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10-19-2008, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

It's funny because people keep saying over and over again that tube site surfers don't buy memberships.

How many of you have tube sites or market on tubes sites and thus have a large enough pool of experience to draw that conclusion from?

On many sponsors, my ratios are better with tube surfers than MGP surfers. On really bizzare niches too like teen and lesbian!

One large sponsor which makes a good comparision because I send lots of both types of traffic broke down like this for last month:

Tube Traffic 1:669 First Page Unique
MGP Galleries 1:1347 First Page Unique

Someone should tell the tube surfers they don't buy memberships because they don't seem to know.

but i 'm guessing you're talking about legal tubes which are basically mgp's, not tubes with full length videos?
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10-19-2008, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by raymor

People have been shouting about the death of the porn biz forever.
In 1995, when we started, it was what were then called "free sites"
who were going to bring the industry down. Then TGPs were the end
of adult, the MGPs, then tubes. Listen, Chicken Little, people have been
buying porn for as long as there has been money - thousands of years.
People will be buying porn thousands of years from now. 2,500 years
ago you could get free porn that was in public places, or you could buy
it from the arist. Some people bought it from the artist then, they do now,
and they always will. You job is to learn how to apply the traffic generating
techniques you used to use with MGPs to tubes, which are really just
MGPs that are capable of magically multiplying your work as people
other than yourself post your videos.

i agree 100%

Adapt or die, but please, stop being Chicken Little. Competition is fierce but their is lots of money to be made. I think the people who are crying that the sky is falling are the ones dying.

Just like any other biz, the porn biz is constantly evolving. And for sure, shitty sponsors who dont update their content and screw the surfer dont have a bright future. Take a look at who you are promoting, are they worth the price they charge? Sponsors who give their customers their moneys worth and more and those who promote them will thrive.

I for one believe tubes actually are creating a market that is hooked on porn more than ever. The pie is getting bigger but the pie is also getting smarter - and they know most of the paysites out there are shit and not worth the money. so take a look at who you are promoting.

Here's a hint: find out the topselling paysites as measured by satisfied customers then get your sites in front of the people looking for those paysites. A simple strategy that works.

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10-19-2008, 07:17 AM

None of you keeps in mind that there are a bunch of big tube sites out there with either bought & licensed content and a bunch of sponsor uploaded content.

Just check out what kind of changes youporn recently made. They dont have to steal those videos... just ask your "buy-me-drinks" buddys how they convert for them.

Recent icq log with one of the most respected companies..

4:17:01 PM ***: I have to find out how many of those longer clips I can get you
4:17:13 PM ***: we are starting to offer some of the longer clips like you saw to tubes
4:17:18 PM ***: that can send good volume

The clips we are talking about in the icq are 7 minutes plus. Thats just one simple example but 99% of the sponsors i talk to, it works like that.
Just check the content area in juggcash. I can offer my surfers fucking 1hour and 20minutes for free without even asking for content.
Those sponsors are going in the right direction and try to fulfill the customers demand instead of trying to sell him with a 10y old business model.

Just check the advertising you see on tube8 lately. There was also a thread about it on gfy, how bad these guys are for advertising free porn with a creative marketing slogan. (lol)

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I dont think the tube8 guys snap the customers cc info and paste it into the one of the signup forms manually...
Why are more and more sponsors offering already tube-ready clips or other kinds of promo tools? Because it works for some people, plain and simple.

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10-19-2008, 07:19 AM

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10-19-2008, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by junction

I run quite a few LEGAL TEVS powered tubes.

The general tubes convert at 1:4000+

The niche tubes convert at 1:1800+

You must have failed miserably as a webmaster if you turn to tube sites to get such a ratio. Websites would make you an average of, say, 1:500 or better.

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10-19-2008, 07:27 AM

a funny thing about forums and these discussions... these discussions have always going on. they were going on in 1998 - just as they are going on today. its always some "thing" thats "killing" the business.

my experience is that these discussions are actually a great barometer for identifying those who are struggling and/or failing or whose best days are now behind them.
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10-19-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by marketsmart

people are in denial...

i think the only ones that are doing well are those people in nice niches, like robbie, bvf, and bartoejammers...

if you want the truth about declines ask xxxjay, he's one of the few people that actually tell the truth about their numbers...

It seems to me the people who are most vocal about sales going down are the ones who got used to easy money with very little work... Nowadays you just have to work a lot more to make those same sales.
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10-19-2008, 08:04 AM

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Whats so funny? 25k isnt even a lot for a prepaid ad deal on a tube site.

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10-19-2008, 08:23 AM

As a paysite operator for over 10 years I can tell you that u just have to adapt and find a way to make money from the latest "threat" to the paysite subscription model..
As with many of the "threats" I agree that they a bad for the industry however if there is money to be made people will keep using them...

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