i wonder how sextube and gaytube are converting (legal tube sites) tubes are in! gotta take advantage of it and change the way your programs work
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Actually many of the big tubes have pretty poor quality movies, I know they offer far too long movie clips, but the quality of those FLV files is often very poor.
The real horny surfer looking for high quality stuff will still do impulse signups.
After a while they get bored of those streaming movies and want WMV files on their harddisk.
But yes it is of course getting harder and harder to send decent sales, those with massive traffic will survive I think.Comment
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You can't blame the slow down in the porn business on tube sites. There are way more factors.ICQ 99-648-810
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lol there are 40 minutes long videos on redtube.. yeah this sounds obvious.. but those were 20 minutes long until last month.. whats next?
Also, FREE PORN FORUMS are FULL of Rapidshare links.. and torrents.
you can find anything you want..
I have seen forums with torrents ot every fucking sponsor you can imagine, torrents with complete sites!! WTF??? Torrents of 50 GB!!!!! FREE!! Crazy!!
Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now.Comment
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if there's that much money in upsales on tubes sites giving away all that free porn then why don't paysite owners throw up a bunch of adds and upsales in their member's area and then open it up to the public? if it works for tubes sites it should work for anyone...right?
giving away free porn like that just attracts cheap people that won't spend jack shit on anything. they are there to get off...then get off the site.
youporn is one of the top sites on the internet these days but only brings in $120K/month. that's alot of money for you or i but not for being a top google site!Comment
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You are so wrong dude. Regardless of his personality, Warchild has loads of traffic.GFY is well known for having a lot of brainless idiots posting.
I have been reading many posts from you and I have to say :
Upon all of these idiots, you really win the grand prize.
You are so fucking stupid it is not even funny. I even sometimes feel sorry fo you.
The good thing is that you don't know it. It seems like you even think you are brilliant.
You NEVER EVER have anything interresting to say, you always critizise everyone,
trying to (cause you never really succeeded, I mean..no one finds you funny but your own self) to make fun of people.
Man are you annoying. And useless. You are a piece of garbage. It is the last thing I will ever write to you and I won't even come back to read your stupid reply.Comment
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if it's not tubes, it's the economy, if it's not the economy its something else, etc etc...there can be only one culprit (see video)
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heard same whining about TGPs
Ask me how to monetize with adult traffic!Comment
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And this is the crunch. It took 9 posts before someone posted the truth.
This is what we, as a business, mostly offer the surfer/member.
Sites that have 40-60 videos in mostly shot be the same person. Most of them lack any originality, uniqueness or porn quality. The scenes on the site are clones of scenes from 10,000 other sites and clones from the scenes on the site.
We then ask them to sign up to a site for 30 days when they only need 30 minutes. There is usually no reason for many to stay a full month because once you have seen Jenny walk into a room/office and give the guy holding the camera a BJ or fuck you have seen the whole site. Because Susan, Jill, Bianca and the rest do it all the same.
The DVD industry is no better and often worse.
The reason is simple. We do not pay enough or put enough importance in what the customer buys. Content has largely become not worth buying and most dream of the day when it returns to the customer HAVING TO BUY.
Why do surfers prefer Tube sites to paid porn?
Because for the surfer they are a better deal.
Have Tube sites killed the business or did we?Comment
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If you create a business and product to suit the needs of the people in the business and ignore the needs of the customer you have to face the consequences.
As far as the surfer is concerned the Tubes deliver a better value and more trust worthy than the people trying to sell to him. Now we need to figure out why that is.
I see no one has any argument with my previous statement.Comment
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This is the internet. The evolution is toward FREE. Free browser, free search, free information, free porn.
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Clearly the surfer does not care if the content is stolen. He only cares if it's what he wants. Which is the same as most buyers. Do we look at the label on goods and worry if it was made in Pakistan, China, Philippines or do we look at the price only?
Even as affiliates do we care if the sponsor is giving us what we want or do we put the surfer first. The reason many sponsors run shitty sites and use pre checked cross sales is we do not care about anyone but ourselves.Comment
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There is a content provider who was blasting on about shooting in HD was the way to make sales. And he had a sample of his work on his site. It was shot in HD and crap.
He did not know how to light HD.
It was under exposed by 1.5 stops and flat.
He put a tanned girl on a tan colored sofa in a tan colored room.
She was nothing special.
She was half heartedly shagging and clearly fake it.
Her moans were pretty constant throughout the scene.
There was no reason for them to be on the sofa fucking.
Even though the style was not Gonzo she kept looking at the camera.
And she was looking to the camera mans right by about 6 feet.
After she looked to camera right she changed position.
The boy was a clueless dork, probably a boyfriend or cheap male model.
Other than the above and the fact that I've seen the same scene with different people a 1000 times it was OK.
This is the scariest thing, the exclusive custom shooter thought this was a good enough scene to put up as a sample of his work. But he seems to be busy and I think the reason is he's cheap.
Now think of the content available for purchase. Some is shot by guys like me, from as bad as me to good. But a lot of it is DVD content. The reason some DVD people are selling it is they can't sell enough in the shops. If they were they would not be coming to a broker.
Now tell me in general the above is not true. Or tell me why we expect surfers to buy. Because it seems to me that the main wish of the Tube haters is that the surfer has to but. Try making a product he wants to buy rather than has to buy. Because Tubes are here to stay.
A bedroom or a couch scene could be good, it depends who is shooting it and the budget.Comment
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Encyclopedias. Price moving toward free. Encyclopedia Britannica salesmen used to sell door-to-door. By 1995 half of all encyclopedia salesmen had already been laid off. Now they are no more. Wiki wiki wiki.
Newspapers. Price moving toward free. Bad for Gannett. Good for bloggers.
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It would most prob work for paysites that have high traffic but I dought most paysites that do not have a unique niche/content would even give this a thought.
If thats the case why do the big tubes stay online I dought they do it for fun. Tubes use a similar idea to what supermarkets have been doing for years, by the use of the word "Free" in a lot of thier promotions and also give away free products in order to sell a product. If you think about it when you go into a super market and see a special offer that says "get a free laptop when you buy a mobile phone on contract, a lot of people are gonna buy the phone just to get the free laptop. Most paysites are offering a small preview and thats like saying buy a mobile phone and get half a laptop free. You have to offer your punters something worthwhile in the firstplace. So tubes offer free porn in order to sell a product that you cant get for free. This does not go for the niche tubes they are totaly different.
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That is a hell of a lot more than what most general paysites could even dream to bring in so they must be doing something right. Btw where did you get this info from of how much youporn are making now.Comment
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I've heard this on surfers boards and it always makes me laugh. Reading on a professionals board makes me despair. The Internet should never be about FREE.
The Internet is a golden opportunity in which the West can lead, to make money. If it goes to being just free where are the opportunities? For a few sites to advertise goods. The rest will be nothing. Unless it's stolen.
Who will produce content if it's put up for free. Who will run sites if it's all meant to be "free" on the Internet? For the Internet to reach it's full potential it needs regulating on a world wide basis, it needs to get rid of the charlatans, scammers and out right thieves. It needs to gain the trust of the customers.
Yes there will be many who can't compete and will lose out. But there will be more who can compete and stay in business than if we go the route of a "Free" Internet. You can have a place where business is done properly or a place where thieves rule. Can't have both.Comment
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Tube sites definitely decrease conversions for regural paysitesComment
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History dictates that if you provide it people will always pay for porn...
I do not agree that Tube Sites are killing porn, illegal use of content on free tube sites that allow that will obviously cause some trouble. I would not want my content out there making money for someone when it is not also making money for me. That would be ludicris.
However, legitimate tube sites that offer the user glimpses at content they may choose to buy. Not every user is a stingy ass cheapo looking for the crappy free pics and videos, many are true appreciators looking for the good stuff and willing.
You need to adjust to the changing environment of the industry. You need to seek out trends and find a way to make these models legit and profitable. People hated TGPs now they are a recognized method of getting traffic.
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No it is not. There are hundreds of thousands of site charging money or selling something. If the Internet becomes all "free" then they will go. Who will make the games, put up the porn, music and everything else that people buy if it goes for free. Who will buy the hosting services, processing and all the other parts that go to make the thriving Internet business if it goes free?
Things like Google, browsers and other tools will always be free. But the bulk has to be paid for. Yes we have a long way to go and it will need a joint effort on the behalf of Governments to make the Internet what it should be, but it will come. Your dream is for kids who think it can be free and still remain as it is.
The real truth is the "free" brigade would hate it being free. They need others to pay for the goods they steal.
I'm a hippy from the 60s, we dreamed of a world that was free back then. While drawing the dole money others paid for. We needed others to work for our freedom to feed ourselves.Comment
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Why argue with Paul Markham? He's so far out of touch with reality it's just not worth your time. Save your time and effort, seriously..Comment
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So point out where I'm wrong.
A few Tube sites stealing members does not mean the whole system is about to collapse. Some peoples system might collapse, but that's their problem. Tubes don't meet the real needs of real porn consumers. They don't steal members from sites that look after their members. They take members from people who are still thinking that traffic is king and the surfer is a pawn.
The Surfer is King and if you don't treat him as one he will go elsewhere. If Tube sites are better than paysites, that's the fault of paysites not Tubes for making a place the surfer prefers.
Come up with a useful argument and don't post bland meaningless statements. If you have one.Comment
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before the tubes, it was "easy" to make money! Now it is not!M&A QueenComment
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well, the traffic numbers say otherwise
every guy that watches a video on a tubesite is a "real porn consumer", just more and more unlikely every day that goes by to be a "real porn consumer" that is willing to pay any money out of his pocket for the porn he is "consuming"
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i second that and i would say another thing.... everybody complains and complains about tube sites and everything, it's true, i can fire up the torrent and i find full DVDs in awesome quality but the fact is one, we have come at a point where the cake is still the same but there are more people eating therefore the margins for everybody are lower... plus with people sharing you easily find whatever you want with a little research and free.....you don't have to be Einstein to figure out that... so i think that pointing at quality is the way to go nowadays.... in the end there is too much of everything....i always think that when i go in the stores at the malls here (italy), you see TOO MUCH of everything then of course all those shops earn less, this is where we have came to and we can either complain all the time or just move forward and see things from another point of view, things move so fast so you either take the train or it will leave you at the station.
maybe we have come to a point where nothing new can be done? that's the real question.Comment
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Paul, I don't really care to argue with you because I don't really respect your opinion or the way that you do business. I think you're a dinosaur.
I'll just give you the top three reasons why and then we can just go our seperate ways.
1) You went back on a gentleman's agreement you had with me over ICQ. You decided to change the terms after the fact after I'd bought a few thousand dollars worth of content off of you.
2) You tried to support an argument with stats from a site that turned out to be impossible to join. In other words you manufactured evidence to support your position. That's absurd.
3) You run your business in such a rag tag fashion that when your wife was injured you couldn't get a damned thing done. No serious business person gets caught out in the cold because they hace no control what so ever of their own business.
So there you have it. You're not good on your word, you make shit up to support the crazy crap you say, and you're completely unorganized as a business person. How could I, or anyone else for that matter, take you seriously?
You remind me of a teacher I had in highschool. He used to teach the typing class on type writers, but when the school got a computer lab they moved him to teaching that class. He taught us how to type on a computer, as if it were simply a type writer..Comment
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Correct-a-mundo!well, the traffic numbers say otherwise
every guy that watches a video on a tubesite is a "real porn consumer", just more and more unlikely every day that goes by to be a "real porn consumer" that is willing to pay any money out of his pocket for the porn he is "consuming"
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As long as Dating and cam sites pay tube sites. Paysites are fucked. everyone should stop producing new content or not give it out keep it exclusive to your pornsite. only people making money off your content is cam and dating period...Comment
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We have been selling internet porn for over 15 years....thats a long time for internet. Whether we like it or not, the internet is becoming more and more like Television. Lots of content will be free and some you will have to pay for and all commercial marketing will be online rather than on TV itself....you must adapt and change your business models.[email protected]
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Oh come on dude ?
Are fucking serious here now ?
20 secs clips versus the full stuff give me a break HERE !
Cut down the online free porn by laws or whatever and bring back this thread to life after, to see what happened
If you could get a brand new Hyundai for free would you buy a 30k car ?
NO ! You would take it and spend your cash elsewhere. Yeah, it wouldn't be the car you wanted but...
Of course, there will still be people willing to pay for better cars, more expensive ones. But guess on number of the Hyundai's around
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Yes Paul, it's doing it !
Remember 10 years ago ? You could find any free vids around, sales were AWESOME ! Hell, sponsors were offering 15cents plus a click NO CONVERSION ! Why ? NO FREEBIES FLYING AROUND ! Content was as good as today (time wise) but you didn't see it everywhere, cheap format or not and trust me, it won't take 2 years before you see high quality content FOR FREE flying around.Comment
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Feed some African places over and over again. They will starve if you stop feeding them.
Teach them to grow their own food and guess what ...Comment
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a: hi, would you like to promote my program?
b: whats your payout?
a: 60% rev
b: LOL! come back to me when you have PPS
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a: hey, we got PPS now..
b: whats your payout?
a: 20 PPS
b: LOL! come back to me when you have better PPS
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a: hey, were paying 30PPS
b: why should I promote you when __.com is paying 50PPS?
hmmm... how can I payout that much and still be around? xsells...
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