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So Mccain would first cut subsidies for ethanol

10-15-2008, 06:41 PM

Of all the pork in the fed budget.... when asked what would he cut

.... he says subsidies for ethanol production

WTF???

This man is as dumb as a GFY racist lol lmao
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10-15-2008, 06:44 PM

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10-15-2008, 06:45 PM

Honestly corn based ethanol production is bad.

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10-15-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by xmas13

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Thank god most the crap they said ended up being stupid and not correct...

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10-15-2008, 06:52 PM

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Honestly corn based ethanol production is bad.

Poor product, uses more gas to product 1 gallon and its more pollutant.

Besides all we do is increase the cost of food because we are now growing corn for gas instead of crops to put on our table.

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10-15-2008, 07:01 PM

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Poor product, uses more gas to product 1 gallon and its more pollutant.

Besides all we do is increase the cost of food because we are now growing corn for gas instead of crops to put on our table.

hmmm well maybe I should do more research on ethanol as I thought it reduced the impact on our environment and helped to slow global warming

I will return to this subject once I have better researched the cost positives and negatives

but as of right now I thought ethanol was a good thing
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10-15-2008, 07:07 PM

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hmmm well maybe I should do more research on ethanol as I thought it reduced the impact on our environment and helped to slow global warming

I will return to this subject once I have better researched the cost positives and negatives

but as of right now I thought ethanol was a good thing

movie master is right imo... everything i have heard lately about ethanol is that its not a solution...

battery power is the future imo because other other than some small oil requirements i'm sure are used in battery production, other energies like solar, wind, thermal, etc.. could be used to power the plants that make batteries or battery powered cars...
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10-15-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by pussyserver

hmmm well maybe I should do more research on ethanol as I thought it reduced the impact on our environment and helped to slow global warming

I will return to this subject once I have better researched the cost positives and negatives

but as of right now I thought ethanol was a good thing

It is but isn't ...... first glance it makes sense then every argument goes against it.
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10-15-2008, 07:30 PM

well of course that's going to be the first thing he does he is owned by big oil
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10-15-2008, 07:36 PM

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well of course that's going to be the first thing he does he is owned by big oil

Does not matter at all. Plus big oil controls and or owns the majority of the damn gas stations. Think for a damn moment please. Big oil would make money off of oil, gas, natural gas, ethanol, or just about anything else you need to go to the pump for.

Corn is bad. Corn is one of the most fertilized crops on this planet. Corn takes up way to much water. Corn only produces 2 or so stalks per plant. Corn takes up way to much space. Corn is grown in an area devoid of enough water to support it naturally. Corn is draining the great basin. Corn crops for fuel take away from food space. Corn takes more energy to convert to fuel than you get out of it. On and on and on.

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10-15-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by pussyserver

Of all the pork in the fed budget.... when asked what would he cut

.... he says subsidies for ethanol production

WTF???

This man is as dumb as a GFY racist lol lmao

At least he mentioned things he would cut out. Obama ducked for the 3rd time anything he would actually cut.

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10-15-2008, 08:43 PM

I think I would like to learn more about the subsidies. Even though I'm all about going green, things still have to make sense. The reality about farming in the US is it's like 95% large corporations or something large like that anyways. Subsidies are just another way of saying even though your business isn't viable we're not going to make you work it out but rather give you a fat profit.

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10-15-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Brad Mitchell

I think I would like to learn more about the subsidies. Even though I'm all about going green, things still have to make sense. The reality about farming in the US is it's like 95% large corporations or something large like that anyways. Subsidies are just another way of saying even though your business isn't viable we're not going to make you work it out but rather give you a fat profit.

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The biggest problem I have with it is that corn takes up so much precious space of our farm land and since we subsidize it, we promote farmers turn their land into this instead of growing actual farm goods that the consumers would use for food which drives up our prices on veggies and forces our import from elsewhere.

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10-15-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by pussyserver

Of all the pork in the fed budget.... when asked what would he cut

.... he says subsidies for ethanol production

WTF???

This man is as dumb as a GFY racist lol lmao

Well he just cost himself any chance he had at Iowa. Though cutting farm subsidies isn't a bad idea. Corporate farms that make billlions should be getting farm subsidies.
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10-15-2008, 09:25 PM

many people are saying many different things about ethanol . .
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10-15-2008, 09:30 PM

wasn't a good debate for either of them
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10-15-2008, 09:32 PM

Ethanol's time is over before it ever really got started. Maybe if they had jumped on it years ago, it could have caught on. Now it's all about harnessing solar, wind, and water power and storing it in high powered rechargeable batteries. I really think battery technology is the key to solving the energy problem.

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10-15-2008, 09:32 PM

A lot of people say "anything but oil" given the current situation, not realizing there ARE some choices that are worse. As if food costs aren't high enough already, this would make it that much worse and as others have pointed out, there's a number of reasons why it's not as good of fuel anyways.

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10-15-2008, 10:40 PM

Great... It is 80's eco-tech... We never used it. We have a ton of other shit now that is new-millennium-tech. Lets use that instead and subsidize it to get it to market by early 2009.
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10-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Honestly corn based ethanol production is bad.

Need to be sugar based, but, that will never happen in this country.
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10-15-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by aico

Need to be sugar based, but, that will never happen in this country.

Sugar (good), sugar beet (better), algae (best). For now at least, staying in the ethanol ranges of fuel supply.

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10-16-2008, 07:16 AM

I hear ya on ethanol not being the ultimate fuel of the future. Using corn for ethanol is stupid, and having US tax dollars go to farmers to grow corn for
ethanol is even more retarded. Its not the right crop for making ethanol, and makes food prices higher. So why should we subsidize it?

I am not a McCain fan but he supports dropping the U.S. tariffs on Brazilian ethanol imports. In Brazil this works b/c they can grow sugar cane efficiently (right climate, cheap labor, tons of land, good distribution infrastructure / refineries etc) Allowing cheap Brazilian ethanol into the US would enable me to fill my car with a renewable resource from a friendly country rather than a non renewable resource from the Mid east, Russia or Venezuela. If you have ever spent time in Brazil , you see how this all works. And I don't see why it couldn't be the same here in the states if we dropped the tariffs on Brazilian ethanol imports. This could act as a transition fuel away from oil as we move to electric cars over the next decade or so.

interesting page about this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
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