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09-13-2002, 04:15 PM

I don't usually respond to threads like this....

Hitler was not a strategist. He fought a war on three fronts. The West. The East. The Final Solution. He ran out of bullets. How genius was that.

His generals were certifiably crazy.

He was an passionate spokesman who arrived during dismal economic times and he capitalised on the world hatred of the Jews, using them as the excuse for the woes of his country.
That's not genius, either.

All he did was unite the people against an 'enemy'. Not even an original idea, since the Jews have been thrown out of almost every society, since their beginnings. Much easier to blame the depression of the economy on a tangible, than an intangible.
Some genius.

He also kept power, using fear, force and death. That takes genius, too.

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09-13-2002, 04:25 PM

geniuses make mistakes, too. especially crazy ones.
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09-13-2002, 04:39 PM

i'm not here to defend if Hitler was genius or not, but the fact you simplify things more than they really were is scary too, because in the same way you can ignore future threats.

Hitler talked to the subconscious of the German citizen and this is something very few people can manage that well. Isn't ironic to degrade from your safe position Hitler while personalities back then like Winston Churchill evaluated him with different stantards?
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09-13-2002, 05:38 PM

Hitler's popularity has little to do with his abilities. His greatest strength is that he was passionate about what he believed, but aside from that, he was a loser, in all respects.

Try reading Mein Kempf. Granted, the English version is translated from the German version, but if it's at all accurate, Hitler was very confused.

The reason why he became so popular is because he took advantage of the already rampant hate mongering going on in Germany (and in many parts of Europe) at the time. Finding a scapegoat (jews) and rebuilding the morale of Germany by accusing there defeat in WWI on backstabbers made him popular among the common man.

You must also understand that Hitler in 1939-1940 is not the same Hitler we have come to know today. He was not a mass murderer using ovens to burn Jews when he was elected. He was just another politician with admittedly more radical views that invigorated his countrymen.

Do you research and you'll learn that Hitler was always a failure....a poor artist and a poor soldier. What seperates him from all the other losers is that he was committed to his vision or Europe under German rule. He stuck with it 'til the very end, even when he was forced to send out 12 and 13 year old school boys to fight his war because their were so few real soldiers left to fight for him.
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09-13-2002, 05:55 PM

I'll admitt, Hitler was a genious...The thing is, he had a really hardcore life as a kid. Did you know he was a painter in Sicily? living in the streets and barley able to stay alive. He got where he wanted to. too bad for us that meant the most evil pinnacle of human mentallity. Hence why he went insane.

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09-13-2002, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by theking

Pretty much hit the nail on the head. By the way you European, America bashing assholes, kiss my royal American ass, you owe your existence to the USA, because Russia would own your ass if it wasn't for the USA. Ungrateful MF's.

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09-13-2002, 06:58 PM

Its a strange business we work in

drew is simply an employee yet he feels free to post whacko shit with his company name in his signature

if you fart in public and work for a fortune 500 company you are gone

people need to either work for themselves or learn some respect for their employers

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09-13-2002, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Bobo
You must also understand that Hitler in 1939-1940 is not the same Hitler we have come to know today. He was not a mass murderer using ovens to burn Jews when he was elected. He was just another politician with admittedly more radical views that invigorated his countrymen.

Oh, my. Just another politician? By 1939 he had

* burned down the Reichstag, blamed it on the Communists, and used it as an excuse to consolidate power.

* Killed off (at least one of them by his own hand) the leaders of the Brownshirts, the Socialist side of the National Socialist after they had served their purpose.

* On November 9, 1938, came Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass"), in which the SS and countless gangs destroyed millions of dollars of Jewish property, allowed gangs to beat up and kill thousands of Jews, and began the first wave of deportations to concentration camps.

* Killed thousands of "impaired" children, adults, prisoners and concentration camp detainees in a documented scientific fashion - the research was useful when implementing the "final solution."

Just another politician, huh?
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09-13-2002, 07:12 PM

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Oh, my. Just another politician? By 1939 he had

* burned down the Reichstag, blamed it on the Communists, and used it as an excuse to consolidate power.

* Killed off (at least one of them by his own hand) the leaders of the Brownshirts, the Socialist side of the National Socialist after they had served their purpose.

* On November 9, 1938, came Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass"), in which the SS and countless gangs destroyed millions of dollars of Jewish property, allowed gangs to beat up and kill thousands of Jews, and began the first wave of deportations to concentration camps.

* Killed thousands of "impaired" children, adults, prisoners and concentration camp detainees in a documented scientific fashion - the research was useful when implementing the "final solution."

Just another politician, huh?

Yep, just another politician. Seems strange to us in an era when politicians use words rather than physical force and where calling a Jew a kike in public is blasphemous. Like I said, he rose to prominence in a state that was vehemently anti-Jew. Kristallnacht and similar events were mere preludes to what was to happen and were in no way seen as bizzare during that period. Pamphlets filled with hate circulated in mainstream the way our newspapers do today. It only serves to illustrate that the country was ripe and ready to carry out Hiter's eventual final solution. The people wanted it, whether Hitler told them to do it, or anybody else.

I will concede that I may have the date wrong (1939 as oppose to an earlier time). Forgive me, it's been some time since I've read the literature.
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09-13-2002, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

It only serves to illustrate that the country was ripe and ready to carry out Hiter's eventual final solution. The people wanted it, whether Hitler told them to do it, or anybody else.

I will concede that I may have the date wrong (1939 as oppose to an earlier time). Forgive me, it's been some time since I've read the literature.

Wrong again, my friend. While there has always been antisemitism in Germany, it was never as severe there as it was in France, Poland, or the various and sundry republics that made up Russia/Soviet Union. The problem was there, but it was far less pervasive than racism against blacks, hispanics, asians and native Americans in the good ole USA. Until Hitler came along and made it into a political movement, and ultimately into law, Jews were fully integrated into all areas of German society, had fought side by side with everyone else in Germany's wars, and the majority of them were far more "German" than "Jew."

Calling Hitler "just another politician" is a lot like calling the KKK just a men's social club, or Timmy McVeigh a misguided patriot.
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09-13-2002, 07:27 PM

Actually, Hitler's general were much smarter. He was just smart enough to take advantage of the situation of Germany at the time.
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09-13-2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy

Wrong again, my friend. While there has always been antisemitism in Germany, it was never as severe there as it was in France, Poland, or the various and sundry republics that made up Russia/Soviet Union. The problem was there, but it was far less pervasive than racism against blacks, hispanics, asians and native Americans in the good ole USA. Until Hitler came along and made it into a political movement, and ultimately into law, Jews were fully integrated into all areas of German society, had fought side by side with everyone else in Germany's wars, and the majority of them were far more "German" than "Jew."

Calling Hitler "just another politician" is a lot like calling the KKK just a men's social club, or Timmy McVeigh a misguided patriot.

Wrong...the fact that the Jews were so much more integrated made the arguments against them much more persuasive then say blacks in America who only did menial work. Jews rose to the top in Germany...in law, literature, science, politics...and this is precisely why they became targets. Like many people today, Jews are both revered and resented for their accomplishments.

You can't compare the KKK with Hitler's regime. Jews weren't powerless slaves in Germany. Blacks were in America. Completely different legacy.

BTW, McVeigh is a hero in my opinion, and not a misguided patriot or lunatic.
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09-13-2002, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by [Labret]

Multicutluralism.

Funny how its only whitey that is forced to practice it.

Take your speech to Saudi Arabia and give it and see what happens. Take it to China and see what happens. Take it to Rwanda and they will drag you naked through the streets behind a jeep.

Multiculturalism is a joke.

In 200 years this theory of multiculturalism will be blamed for the deaths of Europe and the United States.

When it gets bad, the rahowa will come. But it may be too late by then.

I think this is first time I agree with you 100%

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09-13-2002, 08:13 PM

i'm agreeing with you bobo, as i've stated in another thread... the german people felt like total and complete shit after the war, hitler took advantage of this by blaming the jews for their "financial decisions"
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09-13-2002, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

BTW, McVeigh is a hero in my opinion, and not a misguided patriot or lunatic.

Well, well, well ... thad does explain your attempt to legitimize Hitler. The man who killed hundreds of people, and called the children in the day care center directly above his bomb "collateral damage", and was only sorry they were there because they "hurt his cause" is a hero in your eyes.

You are a worthless piece of scum who rates lower than Osama bin Laden on the food chain. I can understand a foreign enemy, I guess, even if their reasoning is irrational. I have no understanding anywhere for a pussy who looks up to a traitor.
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09-13-2002, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy

Please be nice to Ms. Queen. She is proof that, in America, even the gender-confused mentally challeged are allowed access to the Internet. Howver, if he keeps posting to GFY during basket weaving or wallet-making, we may have to juice him up again, if in fact Medicare will pay for the voltage.

Your pansy assed remarks do not refute the truth, but feel free to try.

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09-13-2002, 08:28 PM

It's ironic, but Hitler lost the war for 2 not-so-big decisions:

1. Bomb english cities instead of the southern british airfields, as he was doing, a few weeks after the AdlerTag operation began.
2. Head to the south, Kiev, instead of the center, Moscow, in the 1941 first stage of the Barbarossa operation.

Also i never understood why he left the whole fucking english army go away in Dunkirk... by using the luftwaffe?! Some people say it was a message to the good friend of brandy bottles, Mr. Churchill...

And what you mean people about "his generals"? The wehrmacht command had very different people aboard, from Keitel, a complete idiot to von Mainstein, really a genius, so reffering to them as a whole is completely wrong.
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09-13-2002, 08:37 PM

hey, theking, what branch of the service were you in?

Hind ... good point about the German generals ... he kept firing (sometimes fatally) the professional military people until there were very few left. I think the use of air during the Dunkirk evacuation was limited due to weather ... I doubt very seriously that he "let" them get away.
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09-13-2002, 08:38 PM

McVeigh did nothing wrong.

McVeigh is a patriot. He lashed out at the government for their abuses at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Somebody had to do it.
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09-13-2002, 08:39 PM

Gee, now there's a suprising endorsement ...
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09-13-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
Gee, now there's a suprising endorsement ...

The same way our founding fathers lashed out against the crown, when the abuses become enough, we have the second amendment for a reason. The founding fathers knew an armed populace would be damn hard to subjegate.

The government is no longer by the people for the people.

This nation needs to be wiped out and started over.

You idiots fucked it up, we wont get a second chance.
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09-13-2002, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
hey, theking, what branch of the service were you in?

Hind ... good point about the German generals ... he kept firing (sometimes fatally) the professional military people until there were very few left. I think the use of air during the Dunkirk evacuation was limited due to weather ... I doubt very seriously that he "let" them get away.

I was in the Army from 1980-1992. It would have been my career but I was injured during the Gulf War and was let go with a 20% disability. Is there anything else that you feel the need to know?

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09-13-2002, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy

Well, well, well ... thad does explain your attempt to legitimize Hitler. The man who killed hundreds of people, and called the children in the day care center directly above his bomb "collateral damage", and was only sorry they were there because they "hurt his cause" is a hero in your eyes.

You are a worthless piece of scum who rates lower than Osama bin Laden on the food chain. I can understand a foreign enemy, I guess, even if their reasoning is irrational. I have no understanding anywhere for a pussy who looks up to a traitor.

LOL fool.
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09-13-2002, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by [Labret]
McVeigh did nothing wrong.

McVeigh is a patriot. He lashed out at the government for their abuses at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Somebody had to do it.

I agree wholeheartedly.
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09-13-2002, 09:01 PM

No ... just wondering. Was in the Navy from 73-83 - half way to retirement when my ex flaked out and I had to come home for the kids sake. I bang my head on the mailbox once a month :D.
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09-13-2002, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by [Labret]

Multicutluralism.

Funny how its only whitey that is forced to practice it.

Take your speech to Saudi Arabia and give it and see what happens. Take it to China and see what happens. Take it to Rwanda and they will drag you naked through the streets behind a jeep.

Multiculturalism is a joke.

In 200 years this theory of multiculturalism will be blamed for the deaths of Europe and the United States.

When it gets bad, the rahowa will come. But it may be too late by then.

I agree that too much of anything isn't healthy, 'multiculturalism' included.

However, I think the US has remained world leader in many respects because of it's multiculturalism. They've benefited from the experience, expertise, and knowledge from people from all over the world. Culturally and ethnicically homogenous nations like Germany can never beat that.

The US is one giant and successful experiment thus far. No time in history before now have people from various backgrounds come together on one plot of soil, under one nation. That's what has made the US the epitome of human civilization (and by the same token, the worst).
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09-13-2002, 09:10 PM

You are under the mistaken impression that progress is a good thing.
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09-13-2002, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

I agree wholeheartedly.

Of course you do. You are one big Labret's asskisser

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09-13-2002, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy

Well, well, well ... thad does explain your attempt to legitimize Hitler. The man who killed hundreds of people, and called the children in the day care center directly above his bomb "collateral damage", and was only sorry they were there because they "hurt his cause" is a hero in your eyes.

You are a worthless piece of scum who rates lower than Osama bin Laden on the food chain. I can understand a foreign enemy, I guess, even if their reasoning is irrational. I have no understanding anywhere for a pussy who looks up to a traitor.

McVeigh a traitor? He died for his country and wasn't afraid to. Wish there were more men of honor like him instead of borish flaky faggots like you.

...and for those that like to cast a shadow over him like he's some kind of demon, remember that he was also a model soldier when he was in the US army. Something you could never be even if you tried.
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09-13-2002, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Rose

Of course you do. You are one big Labret's asskisser

Read my posts prior to Labret's and you'll know what position I've taken on the issue. Also read my posts regarding Hitler and you'll see that I'm not a Nazi afterall.

Oh, and read my last post against Labret's. Did I agree or disagree with him? Are you illiterate?

Dirty little idiots like you should be barred from posting.

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09-13-2002, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
No ... just wondering. Was in the Navy from 73-83 - half way to retirement when my ex flaked out and I had to come home for the kids sake. I bang my head on the mailbox once a month :D.

I understand that.

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09-13-2002, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

Read my posts prior to Labret's and you'll know what position I've taken on the issue. Also read my posts regarding Hitler and you'll see that I'm not a Nazi afterall.

Oh, and read my last post against Labret's. Did I agree or disagree with him? Are you illiterate?

Dirty little idiots like you should be barred from posting.

Yes you didnt agree with Labret on multiculturalism.
And let me guess why. You are not white boy.

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09-13-2002, 09:17 PM

Well, I have an honorable discharge from the U.S. Navy, made E-6 in five years, and am profoundly heterosexual.

Courage? Parking a Ryder truck underneath a bunch of unsuspecting federal employees doesn't strike me as particularly courageous.
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09-13-2002, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Rose

Yes you didnt agree with Labret on multiculturalism.
And let me guess why. You are not white boy.

Are you a Jew?
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09-13-2002, 09:24 PM

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Well, I have an honorable discharge from the U.S. Navy, made E-6 in five years, and am profoundly heterosexual.

Courage? Parking a Ryder truck underneath a bunch of unsuspecting federal employees doesn't strike me as particularly courageous.

I made E-7 in 7 and my original 20% is now at 40% and unfortunately is probably going to go higher.

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09-13-2002, 09:29 PM

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Are you a Jew?

LOL No I am not, I am a white girl, half czech half german

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09-13-2002, 09:31 PM

I think I upset Rose....Rose are you there?

I'll answer your question if you answer mine although I don't know where you plan on going with it.

Sometimes you can be so small. Are you even capable of adding intellectual thought to a debate?
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09-13-2002, 09:32 PM

Ok I'm Irish. Now what?
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09-13-2002, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Rose

LOL No I am not, I am a white girl, half czech half german

You're Jew in denial and you know it.
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09-13-2002, 09:36 PM

You talk about McVeigh the hero, and you are not even american

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09-13-2002, 09:37 PM

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You're Jew in denial and you know it.

Yes I belive you that you are Irish

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09-13-2002, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Rose
You talk about McVeigh the hero, and you are not even american

Maybe I left of the American part, maybe I didn't: Irish-American. Does it really matter?
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09-13-2002, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Rose

Yes I belive you that you are Irish

Rosenburgh, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
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09-13-2002, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

Maybe I left of the American part, maybe I didn't: Irish-American. Does it really matter?

I mean: YOU DONT LIVE IN US

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09-13-2002, 09:43 PM

Rose, can we plesae end this stupid tirade? FOR FUCK SAKES GET SOME SENSE!
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09-13-2002, 09:47 PM

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Rose, can we plesae end this stupid tirade? FOR FUCK SAKES GET SOME SENSE!

what stupid tirade? You clam to be irish american. And it's BS, you dont live in the states.

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09-13-2002, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Rose

what stupid tirade? You clam to be irish american. And it's BS, you dont live in the states.

Poor Rose can't stay on topic. This thread is about me now, not Hitler.

Pure genius.
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09-13-2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Bobo

Poor Rose can't stay on topic. This thread is about me now, not Hitler.

Pure genius.

Ih my... I am never disappointed by bobo.
Oh you were talking about Hitler? Who knows if he was genius or retard. I didnt know him. Did you? Whatever you read today about him might or might not be true.

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09-13-2002, 10:22 PM

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Ih my... I am never disappointed by bobo.
Oh you were talking about Hitler? Who knows if he was genius or retard. I didnt know him. Did you? Whatever you read today about him might or might not be true.

ROSE! I wish you had posted that 2 pages earlier. It would have saved everybody who posted on this thread some valuable time.

Rose...take your medication...I promise I'll be right here when you get back, I prooomise!

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09-13-2002, 10:37 PM

DUNKIRK GUY DUNKIRK

this is wehere hitler lose war

Originally posted by Hind
It's ironic, but Hitler lost the war for 2 not-so-big decisions:

1. Bomb english cities instead of the southern british airfields, as he was doing, a few weeks after the AdlerTag operation began.
2. Head to the south, Kiev, instead of the center, Moscow, in the 1941 first stage of the Barbarossa operation.

Also i never understood why he left the whole fucking english army go away in Dunkirk... by using the luftwaffe?! Some people say it was a message to the good friend of brandy bottles, Mr. Churchill...

And what you mean people about "his generals"? The wehrmacht command had very different people aboard, from Keitel, a complete idiot to von Mainstein, really a genius, so reffering to them as a whole is completely wrong.
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