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  • FlexxAeon
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    • May 2003
    • 3765

    #1

    Why did we move away from DRM?

    I don't ask that rhetorically. I really wanna know. The last thing I remember, the reasoning was "surfers won't like it." And that never held much water with me. So I figure there had to be a more valid reason.
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  • EscortBiz
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    #2
    I tried it is was a support nightmare!

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    • CrkMStanz
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      • Jan 2008
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      #3
      I would hazard some guesses....

      It cost you money to license the DRM technology
      It was easily broken (have done it myself) - therefore useless
      Lots of website subscribers DO want to download and keep 'what they paid for'

      ergo: a waste of the content providers money
      believe me - without free porn, just as many people will seek porn out on the Internet, and many more will pay if there is no free alternative, its not like sex is a fad - it can be milked much like any renewable resource - long term

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      • SpicedUpCash
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        • Jun 2008
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        #4
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        • FlexxAeon
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          • May 2003
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          #5
          Originally posted by EscortBiz
          I tried it is was a support nightmare!
          wasn't everything at that time? the media player wars were full scale, plus DRM was brand new
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          • FlexxAeon
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            • May 2003
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            #6
            Originally posted by CrkMStanz
            I would hazard some guesses....

            It cost you money to license the DRM technology
            It was easily broken (have done it myself) - therefore useless
            Lots of website subscribers DO want to download and keep 'what they paid for'

            ergo: a waste of the content providers money
            costs more than losing content to freeloaders? and i thought DRM allowed people to download and keep files with the proper settings?

            as for breaking, well yeah i can understand that. i figure that would have gotten better with time though
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            • EscortBiz
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              #7
              Originally posted by FlexxAeon
              wasn't everything at that time? the media player wars were full scale, plus DRM was brand new
              About 2 years ago

              I only tried it with WMP as realplayer is a real big pain to get setup for DRM and VERY costly and complicated

              And yes there is a way to hack DRM and a way to hack a flah player but you still lock your doors at night even thou there is a way for someone to pick your lock?

              If not for support issues id use it it just not worth getting members mad

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              • EscortBiz
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                #8
                Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                costs more than losing content to freeloaders? and i thought DRM allowed people to download and keep files with the proper settings?

                as for breaking, well yeah i can understand that. i figure that would have gotten better with time though
                Yes you can set up their User and pass all types of ways, I still use it for www.easyppv.com where they know its only a 3 day access thing

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                • FlexxAeon
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by EscortBiz
                  ...but you still lock your doors at night even thou there is a way for someone to pick your lock?...
                  exactly why i thought DRM would have taken off. back when i was (making an attempt at) running paysites I was trying to get all my clients to back DRM. i figured every safeguard you could put in place was worth it.

                  but if the support issues were truly bad i probably would have dropped it too
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                  • CrkMStanz
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                    costs more than losing content to freeloaders?
                    if it can be broken - you still lost to the freeloaders ( ie. pirates, theives, and torrents) but you also paid for the technology/licensing and the overhead/implementation - so yes, you lost more


                    Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                    and i thought DRM allowed people to download and keep files with the proper settings?
                    ummm. I don't know about this statement - not much point in the whole DRM concept if you can just turn it off.


                    Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                    as for breaking, well yeah i can understand that. i figure that would have gotten better with time though
                    I had high hopes but... what can you do


                    I'd like to hear from some people who use a current encrypted/streaming delivery method
                    for details and costs - because its something I'd like to implement myself
                    believe me - without free porn, just as many people will seek porn out on the Internet, and many more will pay if there is no free alternative, its not like sex is a fad - it can be milked much like any renewable resource - long term

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                    • shwsrvcs
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                      • Aug 2006
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                      #11
                      even Apple stopped doing DRM. In short, it was a nightmare.

                      I would rather have some guy's hard drive filled with all of my videos that he can always watch than have him pissed at me with a full hard drive that he can't view because his license expired.

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                      • bobby666
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                        • Nov 2005
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                        #12
                        i remember drm as a user, long ago and it was a nightmare for me

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                        • GatorB
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                          I don't ask that rhetorically. I really wanna know. The last thing I remember, the reasoning was "surfers won't like it." And that never held much water with me. So I figure there had to be a more valid reason.
                          Because it doesn't work. Ask the music industry.

                          Fact is DRM has almost nearly killed the music industry. DRM turned non-pirates into pirates. Now that the records labels have abandoned DRM, but for many it's too late. They are used to getting thier music for free. Stealing music isn't wrong to them now. Had the music industry been willing to sell DRM-free music from the start they wouldn't have lost a whole generation of customers. Only time will tell if they can recover. Clearly though they lost BILLIONS because of DRM.

                          Now the TV and movie isndustry needs to figure this out. They will eventually, but it may be to late by the time they do.

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                          • Zango
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                            #14
                            The tube site owners didn't like it.

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                            • LB-69
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                              • Nov 2005
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                              #15
                              We are still using DRM on 2 of our ladyboy solo sites, but I'm serious considering remove it by the end of the year and concentrate on removing pirated content instead.Many customers unhappy with DRM, having tech problems, MAC is not supported, it cost money for the licenses and more....
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                              • cess
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                Because it doesn't work. Ask the music industry.

                                .
                                Or the MPAA/Sony, if I remember correctly they spent some "insane" amount of cash on encrypting blu-ray yet you can still crack it. Having your content taken isn't the same as someone breaking in your house either. All it takes is one person to spread a video all over the net.

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                                • skrinkladoo
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                                  #17
                                  juice wasnt worth the squeeze, search google for DRM, then search for the hack ...
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                                  • FlexxAeon
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                                    #18
                                    ok so it seems like more important than surfer dislike was just straight up technical flaw, which makes sense

                                    LB-69 : AFter all this time it STILL sucks?? ugh.... whats the usual technical issue with it? (just curious)

                                    GatorB : DRM didn't kill the music industry...it was just the final nail in an already elaborate coffin. but that's another topic lol
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                                    • LB-69
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                                      ok so it seems like more important than surfer dislike was just straight up technical flaw, which makes sense

                                      LB-69 : AFter all this time it STILL sucks?? ugh.... whats the usual technical issue with it? (just curious)

                                      GatorB : DRM didn't kill the music industry...it was just the final nail in an already elaborate coffin. but that's another topic lol
                                      The main issues are: corrupted files after its been encoded DRM, customers computers cant connect to DRM authentication server, customer computers cant render the DRM files and more of that kind.
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