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  • just a punk
    So fuckin' bored
    • Jun 2003
    • 32393

    #31
    Originally posted by _Richard_
    'Capital punishment in Russia has been indefinitely suspended
    It was suspended, so there is no death sentence here anymore. Have you heard the term "law repealed"? This is what written now in Russian Criminal Code about death penalty. So it was nit just "suspended". It was officially removed from the criminal law.

    For example, Canada has suspended death penalty in 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ment_in_Canada

    Here is a quote for you:

    In 2004 only 48 percent of Canadians favored death for murderers compared to 62 percent in 2010. According to one poll, support for the death penalty in Canada is approximately the same as its support in the United States, at 63 percent in both countries as of 2013. A 2011 poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment, but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

    So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...

    Originally posted by _Richard_
    I am not American, my Moldovan friend
    Since when Canada was teleported from North America? Which continent you are at now?

    Originally posted by Sarn
    Госдума России 5 июля 2006 приняла закон, разрешающий президенту использовать Вооруженные силы РФ и спецслужбы для борьбы с международным терроризмом за пределами страны.
    He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?
    Obey the Cowgod

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    • celandina
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jun 2006
      • 11715

      #32
      Originally posted by celandina
      And these guys are doing what ? Selling cookies ??







      I guess what is legal for the gander is not legal for the goose... Get your facts straight before you spew such lame propaganda...
      Just in case you have missed it. The OP calls Russian mercenaries illegal, while USA has many more and that is all OK.

      ... The rest of the crap about legal or illegal is just blowing in the wind...

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      • Sarn
        WW3
        • Sep 2015
        • 12405

        #33
        Originally posted by CyberSEO
        He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?
        read the title of the topic again
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        • just a punk
          So fuckin' bored
          • Jun 2003
          • 32393

          #34
          Originally posted by Sarn
          read the title of the topic again
          Military contractors (PMC) are mercenaries, even according to the UN's classification. From the dictionary:

          A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain".
          Since your English is a bit worse than mine, you are confusing PMC with a professional army.
          Obey the Cowgod

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          • _Richard_
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2006
            • 30991

            #35
            Originally posted by CyberSEO
            It was suspended, so there is no death sentence here anymore. Have you heard the term "law repealed"? This is what written now in Russian Criminal Code about death penalty. So it was nit just "suspended". It was officially removed from the criminal law.

            For example, Canada has suspended death penalty in 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ment_in_Canada

            Here is a quote for you:

            In 2004 only 48 percent of Canadians favored death for murderers compared to 62 percent in 2010. According to one poll, support for the death penalty in Canada is approximately the same as its support in the United States, at 63 percent in both countries as of 2013. A 2011 poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment, but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

            So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...



            Since when Canada was teleported from North America? Which continent you are at now?



            He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?
            except for the De Jure part, where it's legally allowed, you just don't do it cause of the moratorium and other.. matters.

            41 percent i believe is what you wanted to use, which surprises me as Asians are so good with numbers

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            • Sarn
              WW3
              • Sep 2015
              • 12405

              #36
              Originally posted by CyberSEO
              Military contractors (PMC) are mercenaries, even according to the UN's classification. From the dictionary:

              Since your English is a bit worse than mine, you are confusing PMC with a professional army.
              Private military company - we haven't it in law.
              And according to the law, Putin can not use them, it has only the security services(FSB,GRY etc).
              Everything else is a journalistic fiction
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              • just a punk
                So fuckin' bored
                • Jun 2003
                • 32393

                #37
                Originally posted by _Richard_
                except for the De Jure part, where it's legally allowed, you just don't do it cause of the moratorium and other.. matters.
                Once again, dear expert of Russian law: the death penalty was officially removed from the Criminal Code. Not just "suspended". It was removed. Also the Constitutional Court has admitted that death penalty is impossible (use Google Translate) in Russian Federation. Do you want me go give you the definition of "impossible"? The death penalty was suspended till January 1st 2010. After that date it was completely juridically banned.

                Originally posted by _Richard_
                41 percent i believe is what you wanted to use, which surprises me as Asians are so good with numbers
                What about "poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment"? The people at Russian polls are also favored it. And that doesn't mean they would vote for that. Wikipedia was always lost in translation.

                Originally posted by Sarn
                Private military company - we haven't it in law.
                Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?

                Статья 359. Наемничество
                [Уголовный кодекс РФ] [Глава 34] [Статья 359]

                1. Вербовка, обучение, финансирование или иное материальное обеспечение наемника, а равно его использование в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях -

                наказываются лишением свободы на срок от четырех до восьми лет с ограничением свободы на срок до двух лет либо без такового.

                2. Те же деяния, совершенные лицом с использованием своего служебного положения или в отношении несовершеннолетнего, -

                наказываются лишением свободы на срок от семи до пятнадцати лет со штрафом в размере до пятисот тысяч рублей или в размере заработной платы или иного дохода осужденного за период до трех лет либо без такового и с ограничением свободы на срок от одного года до двух лет либо без такового.

                3. Участие наемника в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях -

                наказывается лишением свободы на срок от трех до семи лет с ограничением свободы на срок до одного года либо без такового.

                Примечание. Наемником признается лицо, действующее в целях получения материального вознаграждения и не являющееся гражданином государства, участвующего в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях, не проживающее постоянно на его территории, а также не являющееся лицом, направленным для исполнения официальных обязанностей.


                I know your English sucks, but this criminal article is about mercenaries ака PMC (т.е. о наемниках она).
                Obey the Cowgod

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                • Sarn
                  WW3
                  • Sep 2015
                  • 12405

                  #38
                  Originally posted by CyberSEO
                  Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?
                  yes it banned. it i mean
                  Putin use the FSB.
                  It legal.
                  Journalists come up with PMC - then come up with Putin violates the law etc...
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                  • just a punk
                    So fuckin' bored
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 32393

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Sarn
                    yes it banned. it i mean
                    Putin use the FSB.
                    Only FSB? are you sure? How could you be sure about something what Putin says especially after the Ukrainian case? Who did pay to all those mercenaries who was sent to the war? How can you trust to a person who said this:



                    Is there any single word he was able to keep? Да он же пиздит, как дышит (прошу пардона за свой французский).

                    Obey the Cowgod

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                    • PR_Glen
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 9058

                      #40
                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                      canadian pension depends on perpetual war..
                      This makes zero sense for a multitude of reasons. We haven't been at war for decades...
                      webmaster at pimproll dot com

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                      • Barry-xlovecam
                        It's 42
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 18083

                        #41
                        The US is sort of doing the same thing -- funding the rebels and Kurds so we don't need to commit ground troops en mass.

                        We used Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq too.

                        Now called Academi


                        Academi's new 'hi-tech' logo

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                        • _Richard_
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30991

                          #42
                          Originally posted by CyberSEO
                          Once again, dear expert of Russian law: the death penalty was officially removed from the Criminal Code. Not just "suspended". It was removed. Also the Constitutional Court has admitted that death penalty is impossible (use Google Translate) in Russian Federation. Do you want me go give you the definition of "impossible"? The death penalty was suspended till January 1st 2010. After that date it was completely juridically banned.



                          What about "poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment"? The people at Russian polls are also favored it. And that doesn't mean they would vote for that. Wikipedia was always lost in translation.



                          Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?
                          ' but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

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                          • just a punk
                            So fuckin' bored
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 32393

                            #43
                            Originally posted by _richard_
                            ' but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in canada.
                            Вот ты нудный...
                            Obey the Cowgod

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                            • _Richard_
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 30991

                              #44
                              Originally posted by CyberSEO
                              Вот ты нудный...
                              coincidentally, i have been telling myself this about you for 3 posts.

                              however i managed to stay polite.

                              you stated 'So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...'

                              while posting a link saying only 41% wanted to bring it back, while 66% agreed with it.

                              now you know why i ignore you.

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                              • just a punk
                                So fuckin' bored
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 32393

                                #45
                                According to the FOM, 49% of Russians want to bring it back. Not a big difference with Canada, ah?

                                P.S. All those polls are not accurate.
                                Obey the Cowgod

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