Your so fucking stupid. He stumbled with the name and got it right but so did Mccain. You sound like a blind neo con republican by grabbing the least important thing and trying make a big deal out of it. I hope Obama wins just because it will make you unhappy. You have no biz talking with adults let alone adult webmasters.
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YOU just said it, he stumbled the name. He should not have brought that up if he coul not remember the name. He was talking about a dead soldier. People will remember that he forgot the name. That is important to a lot of people who have relatives that died in the war or have family members there. Plenty of people vote with their heart.
On this forum there are very few adults to talk with. Most of you act like you are 10 when you are on here.Last edited by Guest; 09-26-2008, 07:05 PM.Comment
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Okay, I'm done. I was watching off recording as I got started late.
My overall feeling is that Obama did a better job.
Something that struck me was that while I heard Obama agree with some points that McCain made, or acknowledge his efforts like with the bit about tortured prisoners.
I may have missed it, but I heard nothing of the same from McCain. All I heard him saying was how Obama didn't understand this or that.
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McCain does not support Veterans, he has voted against several major vet issues. I am a member of the American Legion, my Dad has been the Commander, the state command, and many other office positions.
McCain and supporting Veterans is a total lie, a joke, and can be disproved over and over and over again. Just because you jump in a few key things that everyone supports, doesn't mean you actually back total support for them.
I'm not saying Obama does, but saying McCain does is just a fucking lie.
I'm a Vet that has fought for 10 years for my medical benefits that I am with out question in titled to. I live in Arizona, where is McCain for the Vets in his state?
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No big upset or shining star, but IMO Obama came out on top overall. A very narrow 'victory' if one can call it that, but McCain was supposed to win on this topic and and setting.Comment
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I think it was a slight victory for Obama. To me the both made good points and showed there is a clear difference between them on some issues with will help some people decide who they will vote for. I give it to Obama simply because he seemed more calm and collected and everyone expected McCain to do well because this was supposed to be his strong suit. Obama, by holding his own and doing well himself, stole the victory by a slight margin.
Still I don't think it will really matter much. In a few weeks when they debate on the economy that will be the one people will pay attention to and remember as election day comes up. The public has a short memory so the last thing they hear tends to be what they take to the polls wit them. In a few weeks we will now more about the bailout and how it affects us and we will hear what they plan to do. You can tell Obama is taking every chance he can to align McCain with Bush. If he can do that it will hurt McCain immensely.Last edited by kane; 09-26-2008, 07:16 PM.Comment
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slight victory to obama in all honesty. i've been fucking with him all night, but i honestly think mccain didnt do as well. he let obama get to him more than he got to obama.
he attacked and people saw him as defensive.Comment
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It was kind of sad to see how casual both the guys handled the economic questions. I mean we are in a real shithole right now and they acted like some tax cuts and a little regulation would fix it. No one gave a concise answer on the bailout, probably one of the biggest policy decisions we've made in half a decade.Comment
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I think Obama won, but he missed some opportunities when he could have and should have knocked McCain out.Comment
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McCain scored better on this because he did propose a possible dramatic action in cutting spending on all but a few critical things. It may not work, but he laid out something specific he would likely do.
The reality is the President can't fix the problem. I'm with those that say don't go thru with a bailout. It's best to have some pain now than to postpone it and make it even worse.Comment
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The CNN poll clearly has Obama the winner.
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I respect you both for being vets.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...com/mccain.htm
I think it speaks volumes when people defend our nation and our freedom, have to come home and defend our freedom again here on our own soil.
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thank you redshoe. i have enjoyed your thread tonight!!!!!
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In the two previous times that Obama and McCain shared a stage, Obama didn't knock it out of the park, and clearly did worse IMO than McCain on one of those occassions. I wanted to see Obama perform as good free form as he does with a teleprompter and he passed that test to me.
Neither has a solution to the economic problems. Neither has a solution to foreign policy. Both are going to cost more billions with no gaurantee of success. Will there ever really come a time when Iraq becomes a stable democracy so we can pull out without the place erupting in civil war? If you end the Iraq war but kickstart the one in Afghan and Pakistan, you're still at war spending money, lives.
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I thought that at first, and then I understood. Many Vets don't follow much other than what the news media pushes them. If Obama said anything, it would come across as an attack.
Maybe saying, I do plan on supporting our vets to the fullest, and I will prove that once I'm in office, I guarantee that, that would have helped.
I does come off odd that he didn't defend the basic idea of it at all. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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In all honesty though, I feel that this election has been the most enjoyable for me. As a kid I couldn't stand when my parents would watch this shit on TV. I didn't care really until this election. I voted against Bush twice, but didn't really follow up on all of the commentaries. I didn't go out and have conversations about it.
This time that's all changed. Everyone I know and talk to is hyped about this election. The brothas I work with all went out and registered for the first time in their lives. It's exciting.
I get the feeling, that more is at stake, more is on the line. This will be a first all around, no matter who wins. Either a black man in office, or a woman VP.
These are exciting times bros.
Now think about this, for us here in America, it's turbulent, it's exciting. Things are on the brink of collapse, we are at our lowest (or close to it) there is no place but up from here. This feeling, this thickness in the air, it's exciting.
These are exciting times bros.
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Not a new concept toots.
Clinton's made same proposal. Congress gave telcos millions to upgrade US broadband to Europe, and Japan speeds. Plus get internet into rural areas. The telcos spent, and kept the money. Did not do anything except spend time and resources wiping out their competition.
Now they claim they need more money, or will start cutting services.
You have to love corporate America....
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Yeah isnt that fucked up.Not a new concept toots.
Clinton's made same proposal. Congress gave telcos millions to upgrade US broadband to Europe, and Japan speeds. Plus get internet into rural areas. The telcos spent, and kept the money. Did not do anything except spend time and resources wiping out their competition.
Now they claim they need more money, or will start cutting services.
You have to love corporate America....
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why do I get the feeling that we will have a nuclear war if McCain gets elected ... He only cares about the conflict in iraq.... We are pissing off the world big time with bush in office...just think , having a president that has the war as the top priority will fuck us up even more.... we are spending all our money to fix countries that are past the point of no return... my guess is our economy will crash if mccain is electedComment
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If the remaining Presidential debates are as even-handed, I think that much of the decision in this election is going to come down to the VP debates. If Palin exhibits the same unpreparedness and/or lack of confidence in her debate with Biden that she has in her interviews, the race could be handed to the Democrats. I expect a close race no matter what happens, but the political climate and the social winds appear to be shifting more in one direction each day. Short of blunders or change in political climate, it's hard to envision why it won't continue.Comment
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