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  • mhende6600
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2002
    • 740

    #1

    Webmasters who shoot their own Content

    Quick question, lets say you run a non sex site with solo females posing nude. You took pictures and video of a model a year and six months ago. She calls and now wants the pictures taken down and is willing to pay to get them taken down, you paid her $200.00 per hour when you first took the pictures. How much would you charge her or would you even take them down? She signed a contract and understood what was happening. She is on a solo dvd and in a magazine we have also.
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  • stickyfingerz
    Doin fine
    • Oct 2005
    • 24984

    #2
    Depends on circumstances, but in a word NO. She knew what she was doing, signed a contract, and just like anyone else in the world has to live with the consequences of her actions.

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    • mhende6600
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2002
      • 740

      #3
      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
      Depends on circumstances, but in a word NO. She knew what she was doing, signed a contract, and just like anyone else in the world has to live with the consequences of her actions.
      So your saying don't ask for a certain amount of money? She is willing to pay.
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      • SBJ
        So Fucking Fabulous
        • Apr 2003
        • 11377

        #4
        I had a model ask me this same thing and i said a outrageous amount just cause I knew she couldn't come up with it.. I always tell models day one that once the site is live it will stay up till the day the internet dies and have her sign all the contracts.

        The site isn't that important and doesn't make that much money but over the last 4 years it has made money week after week and at this point I just don't want to close sites and cut my income coming in cause some girl finds god and wants her tits off the net. Also if you have affiliates pushing the site and you take it down some affiliates might get mad
        Last edited by SBJ; 09-10-2008, 03:30 PM.

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        • tony299
          lurker
          • Aug 2002
          • 57021

          #5
          There are a few things to think about its not black or white. First how old is she? secondly how conservative is the area you live? Does she know where you live? Also how big is your site and dvds sales and your magazine sales? If you decided to do it, I would say what I paid you and I will take it down.

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          • mynameisjim
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2007
            • 2985

            #6
            It depends what it's worth to you. She also must understand this is the internet and you can only control your own domains. The video and content will not be erased from the entire internet.
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            • mhende6600
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2002
              • 740

              #7
              Originally posted by tony404
              There are a few things to think about its not black or white. First how old is she? secondly how conservative is the area you live? Does she know where you live? Also how big is your site and dvds sales and your magazine sales? If you decided to do it, I would say what I paid you and I will take it down.

              She is 21 or 22
              my area is conservative
              She knows where I live
              My site is average size and has been active since 2001
              my dvd sales are steady and growing maybe 35 % of my income
              my magazines are shipped to mostly inmates
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              • brand0n
                been very busy
                • Nov 2002
                • 26983

                #8
                how do you make money off inmates??!
                want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                • stickyfingerz
                  Doin fine
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 24984

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mhende6600
                  So your saying don't ask for a certain amount of money? She is willing to pay.
                  Last one we had like that I told her ya she can buy it back for 15,000.00 lol

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                  • mhende6600
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 740

                    #10
                    Originally posted by brand0n
                    how do you make money off inmates??!
                    a non nude magazine with a centerfold for 10 bucks
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                    • faxxaff
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 2134

                      #11
                      I had this issue twice. In the first case I had the images up for quite a considerable amount of time and they were kind of worn out. The model asked in a very kind way if there would be the possibility to have them removed as she moved on with her life and the images may harm her in the future. In this case I was more than happy to take them down and do her a favour. It was not a big effort as she was just on one site.

                      In the other case a model's boyfriend demanded to buy the model's images so he could sell them to others and for own use because they both started their own site and she intended to pursue to be an adult actress. I was owning the rights to her very first nudes. I told them I wanted 3 days worth of my work plus all expenses that I had for the shoot, round about 5k US$. They offered twice the modeling fee and threatened to sue me as they thought that was to much. Needless to say I never heard back from them until some time later when I saw her face on an escort site.
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                      • mhende6600
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                        • Nov 2002
                        • 740

                        #12
                        Originally posted by faxxaff
                        I had this issue twice. In the first case I had the images up for quite a considerable amount of time and they were kind of worn out. The model asked in a very kind way if there would be the possibility to have them removed as she moved on with her life and the images may harm her in the future. In this case I was more than happy to take them down and do her a favour. It was not a big effort as she was just on one site.

                        In the other case a model's boyfriend demanded to buy the model's images so he could sell them to others and for own use because they both started their own site and she intended to pursue to be an adult actress. I was owning the rights to her very first nudes. I told them I wanted 3 days worth of my work plus all expenses that I had for the shoot, round about 5k US$. They offered twice the modeling fee and threatened to sue me as they thought that was to much. Needless to say I never heard back from them until some time later when I saw her face on an escort site.

                        The model in question is one of my top 10 models out of 200 models
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                        • INever
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 4028

                          #13
                          One thing that might work is to put her images only in the member area for awhile until whatever heat the model is feeling cools off. At the least I'd want the money I paid her x2 + my photoshop time + value of the images for additional revenue. But there are always exceptions...
                          Last edited by INever; 09-10-2008, 04:36 PM.
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                          • amacontent
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 13035

                            #14
                            Best thing to do is come up with an acceptable number, what you paid her. If she reimburses you what you laid out to do the shoot then take it. I girl sure wont make or break you and it will save lots of possible future headaches, even if legal is on your side. Also did she ask you nicely.
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                            • justinsain
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 3374

                              #15
                              If it were me and she is willing to pay back the fee she had been paid I wouldn't have a problem taking the pictures down.

                              You made money and you will get your investment back. She will be happy and business will go on.

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                              • faxxaff
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 2134

                                #16
                                Originally posted by mhende6600
                                The model in question is one of my top 10 models out of 200 models
                                Money is not everything. My point is, do the right thing regardless of the money. If she is a nice person and asking in a polite way for a good reason, why not working out a deal that is acceptable for both sides. You may have a model less, but you did the right thing.

                                If she is a cunt, quote a higher price and see what she comes up with. I would say if you spend a day shooting her and another day working on the pics ask her for 2 days of your work plus her modeling fee. That would be a good deal for both.

                                Of course if you shot her 10 times over a couple of months, things would get very nasty and I would think it would get very difficult to pull her content without asking for a pretty big number ...
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                                • Barefootsies
                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 42635

                                  #17
                                  We've had it happen a handful of times.

                                  They can 'buy out' if they want. They have to pay for their modeling fees, plus those of every other girls in every scene they have done.

                                  So for example, if they did one shoot, and worked with three other girls, she would have to drop in he neighborhood of $500.00. But, if she has been around for a long time. That gets into the 10's of thousands.

                                  Needless to say. If they have done one, or many, none have come up with the money.
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                                  • tony299
                                    lurker
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 57021

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by amacontent
                                    Best thing to do is come up with an acceptable number, what you paid her. If she reimburses you what you laid out to do the shoot then take it. I girl sure wont make or break you and it will save lots of possible future headaches, even if legal is on your side. Also did she ask you nicely.
                                    Well said and people forget even though you have a signed release.People can make a mountain of trouble for them. If you are not in LA, shooting adult is very gray.

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                                    • Grapesoda
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 46234

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mhende6600
                                      Quick question, lets say you run a non sex site with solo females posing nude. You took pictures and video of a model a year and six months ago. She calls and now wants the pictures taken down and is willing to pay to get them taken down, you paid her $200.00 per hour when you first took the pictures. How much would you charge her or would you even take them down? She signed a contract and understood what was happening. She is on a solo dvd and in a magazine we have also.
                                      I'd sell her the content for a 'fair' price including her fee, my time and energy in preproduction, production and post, + expectations of future income. be the best thing to do for sure by my way of thinking. -bmb

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                                      • kahell
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2005
                                        • 292

                                        #20
                                        Just like Cameron Diaz hahaha

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                                        • Grapesoda
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 46234

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by amacontent
                                          Best thing to do is come up with an acceptable number, what you paid her. If she reimburses you what you laid out to do the shoot then take it. I girl sure wont make or break you and it will save lots of possible future headaches, even if legal is on your side. Also did she ask you nicely.
                                          great advice Joe...

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                                          • tony299
                                            lurker
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by kahell
                                            Just like Cameron Diaz hahaha
                                            yep he is in jail thats why my model release now has a thumb print also.No I forged their signature bullshit.

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                                            • mhende6600
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                                              • Nov 2002
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                                              #23
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                                              • fuzebox
                                                making it rain
                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 22369

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                yep he is in jail thats why my model release now has a thumb print also.
                                                Wow, now that's a good idea. Have you had any models react negatively when you requested the thumbprint?

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                                                • Jim_Gunn
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 5702

                                                  #25
                                                  In over fifteen years of filming I have never had a model request to repurchase their footage. I wouldn't even be able to even if they asked since whatever I film usually goes out in the world to other companies that I have no control over. Even if it was content I owned, how could one put the genie back into the bottle if it was released on DVD, as well as on a site or sites, plus promotional photos, VOD stores, adult databases, affiliates and wherever else the images or videos are?

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                                                  • mhende6600
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                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 740

                                                    #26
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                                                    • tony299
                                                      lurker
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 57021

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                      Wow, now that's a good idea. Have you had any models react negatively when you requested the thumbprint?
                                                      When the model comes in, the paperwork and the ink pad is laid out. I ask for their id, very matter of factly ask them to fill out the paperwork. No one has had a problem its more boy no one ever asked for that before, the pads I use are like the ones they use at the bank so no ink mess.I tell them the cameron diaz story,they say cool and shooting we go.
                                                      Last edited by tony286; 09-10-2008, 10:04 PM.

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                                                      • tony299
                                                        lurker
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 57021

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                        In over fifteen years of filming I have never had a model request to repurchase their footage. I wouldn't even be able to even if they asked since whatever I film usually goes out in the world to other companies that I have no control over. Even if it was content I owned, how could one put the genie back into the bottle if it was released on DVD, as well as on a site or sites, plus promotional photos, VOD stores, adult databases, affiliates and wherever else the images or videos are?
                                                        I assume you shoot very few newbies. I think the more newbies you shoot not career models the more it comes up.

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                                                        • Kelli58
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                          • 2270

                                                          #29
                                                          Think of it as you would any business deal. Dissociate the emotion from the deal and ask yourself, what would you charge anyone, any potential client that is for the exclusive rights to one of your models. Keep in mind what losing that content will cost you, including the cost to replace it.

                                                          I don't think it is unreasonable to ask $15,000 to even $25,000 if she's a top model, for exclusive rights and use of the content you own and that is in essence what she is asking. I don't know your business model, so you may even have a higher number in mind. But the point is, look at it from a different angle and you might see it is a deal worth consideration.
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                                                          • Penny24Seven
                                                            So Fucking What
                                                            • Jun 2007
                                                            • 6287

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by mhende6600
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                                                            Are you asking until you hear the answer you want? I am surprised at the answers you have got already
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                                                            • After Shock Media
                                                              It's coming look busy
                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                              • 35299

                                                              #31
                                                              Do what you personally feel is the right thing. You may be ok saying fuck you get lost. Give me 5 grand and I will destroy them. Or even sure I made a lot of money on a small investment.

                                                              Really is no right or wrong answer. Just what feels right to you. You have to live with your actions yourself generally.

                                                              Personally I would just find a fair number to both of us and be done with it. Unless she came at me like a bitch from the start, then I would reply as a dick.

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                                                              • evie
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 301

                                                                #32
                                                                We tell the girls to pay what the content is worth to us.

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                                                                • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                  • 1269

                                                                  #33
                                                                  If she's been nice about it, I'b be reasonable. I've had this sort of question come up just once, and the girl ended up realizing that it would be impossible to really make the content disappear, so she was cool about it.

                                                                  I'd say charge the replacement value for the content. I.e, shoots with another model that is comparably popular to replace what you are taking down.
                                                                  If you have an amount of content that's large enough to not suffer from the loss of what she had, and the content is older, then consider that as well.

                                                                  In the end, it's always best to deal with people honorably. Don't take advantage just because you can, and try to do the right thing, even if it's not what you want the most.

                                                                  It sounds to me like you have an idea of what to do already, because you've taken the time to post the question and field the responses...

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                                                                  • MorningWood Stefen
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                                                                    • Sep 2006
                                                                    • 608

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Shes lucky she didn't choose to do hardcore.

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                                                                    • DutchTeenCash
                                                                      I like Dutch Girls
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 21684

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by bm bradley
                                                                      I'd sell her the content for a 'fair' price including her fee, my time and energy in preproduction, production and post, + expectations of future income. be the best thing to do for sure by my way of thinking. -bmb
                                                                      good suggestion

                                                                      most models think 5k pics is 5k reimbursement but the to expect income is important too

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                                                                      • MakingItPay
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                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                        • 1924

                                                                        #36
                                                                        This could happen to anyone shooting content. I think what you need to do is first explain to her that taking the site down or removing her photos from your site will not eliminate the photos from the internet. But if she isn't that popular of a model and doesn't make you a significant amount of money, I believe I would consider complying.
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                                                                        • F-U-Jimmy
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                                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                                          • 6853

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Annual income of site x3, plus cost of design ( include your hours as well ) , plus cost of original content.
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                                                                          • HorseShit
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Dec 2004
                                                                            • 17513

                                                                            #38
                                                                            just get her to do things sexually for you + $$ payment, easy enough

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                                                                            • Jim_Gunn
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                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 5702

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                                              I assume you shoot very few newbies. I think the more newbies you shoot not career models the more it comes up.
                                                                              On the contrary, I have filmed more newbies over the last fifteen years than most producers I can think of. Teen newbies and girl-girl are my two specialties. I have my own procedures to deal with the talent, and I guess I just had good luck.

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                                                                              • Barefootsies
                                                                                Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                • 42635

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                I just had good luck.
                                                                                Or maybe it's just because you are Jimmy Gunn the smoothie?
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                                                                                • stickyfingerz
                                                                                  Doin fine
                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                  • 24984

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                  yep he is in jail thats why my model release now has a thumb print also.No I forged their signature bullshit.
                                                                                  Taking that Idea Tony..

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                                                                                  • sweetcuties
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                    • 5859

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    That's what attorney's are for... have her buy the content and destroy it. Like someone said a few posts above, put her content in the members area. Also, rule number one... NEVER bring the girls or shoot at your house. THESE GIRLS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS

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                                                                                    • tony299
                                                                                      lurker
                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 57021

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                      On the contrary, I have filmed more newbies over the last fifteen years than most producers I can think of. Teen newbies and girl-girl are my two specialties. I have my own procedures to deal with the talent, and I guess I just had good luck.
                                                                                      Then you must have an excellent filtering process my hat is off to you. I dont shoot anyone unless they have been around the block at least once.
                                                                                      As far as everyone else the talk of charge her 15 grand and so forth. If you dont live in LA shooting adult is a very gray thing at best. One pissed off model could really fuck up your life. Take off your producer hat off, sit and think if I wanted to give someone a mountain of grief in my town what would I do? All the things you think up could happen to you,now if the girl was nice about it and isn't some star. Just a girl you did a scene with or shot a set of. To me having her give back the model fee and go on with your life is the smart thing to do.

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                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 57021

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                        Taking that Idea Tony..
                                                                                        if you like I will bring you a copy of my model release at the atl forum.

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                                                                                        • jakethedog
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                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                          • 2497

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I know your all probably gonna hammer me .. but .. No.. i wouldn't take them down .. just on principle .. I am very clear and to the point when i discuss the reality of the content being on the net forever... I have been offered tons and tons of money over my career to take down content .. if she is in the top 10 of 200 .. not a chance .. 10K will come easily from sales .. and hell who knows .. maybe she is wanting it down because she has something bigger lined up and it could make you meeellions .. ..bring on the hate ..
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                                                                                          • Grapesoda
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 46234

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                            Then you must have an excellent filtering process my hat is off to you. I dont shoot anyone unless they have been around the block at least once.
                                                                                            As far as everyone else the talk of charge her 15 grand and so forth. If you dont live in LA shooting adult is a very gray thing at best. One pissed off model could really fuck up your life. Take off your producer hat off, sit and think if I wanted to give someone a mountain of grief in my town what would I do? All the things you think up could happen to you,now if the girl was nice about it and isn't some star. Just a girl you did a scene with or shot a set of. To me having her give back the model fee and go on with your life is the smart thing to do.
                                                                                            know a shooter up by frisco that had the problem of a pissed off model. the model went too the cops and told them the shooter had drugs and cp. caused all kinds of probs for the guy

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                                                                                            • Grapesoda
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 46234

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                              if you like I will bring you a copy of my model release at the atl forum.
                                                                                              can you email me one?

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                                                                                              • CurrentlySober
                                                                                                Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 38995

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by bm bradley
                                                                                                can you email me one?
                                                                                                Hey Tony... I know you dont know me from 'Adam'...

                                                                                                But... As we both like Bostons... Could you email me a copy too?

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                                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 57021

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  When my wife gets up I will email them out to you guys

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                                                                                                  • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                    • 38995

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Thanks Tony404!
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