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  • WWC
    #1 Adult Content Provider
    • Jul 2003
    • 11577
    #1

    What happened to mainstream is whats happening to adult online... WATCH this video!

    We used to charge $49.95 for monthly membership....
    Then $39.95.....
    Then $29.95.....
    Then $19.95.....
    Then $9.95......
    Guess what price is next....

    Thats why membership based sites must offer more content, better quality and better delivery technology.....

    watch this video : http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free
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    • tony299
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      • Aug 2002
      • 57021
      #2
      business principles dont change.

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        • WiredGuy
          Pounding Googlebot
          • Aug 2002
          • 34515
          #3
          There's sites charging $9.95/month?
          WG
          I play with Google.

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            • Kimo
              ...
              • Jan 2006
              • 11542
              #4
              Originally posted by WiredGuy
              There's sites charging $9.95/month?
              WG
              brazzersnetwork has $9.95/month specials a few days a week i think?
              ...

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                • WWC
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 11577
                  #5
                  yes lots.... how about video box for one....
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                    • seeandsee
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                      • Mar 2006
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                      #6
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                        • Mutt
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                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34431
                          #7
                          Originally posted by WWC-Raffi
                          yes lots.... how about video box for one....
                          Videobox charges 9.99 for basic membership which only allows the member to download the movies at the lowest quality encoding - very good marketing - i am sure they get the majority of their 9.99 members to upgrade
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                            • WWC
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 11577
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Mutt
                              Videobox charges 9.99 for basic membership which only allows the member to download the movies at the lowest quality encoding - very good marketing - i am sure they get the majority of their 9.99 members to upgrade
                              Still 9.95 for about the same quality that most membership site have out there and they are charging $19.95 or even $29.95...about the same quality....
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                                • Paul Markham
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                                  • Jun 2001
                                  • 52942
                                  #9
                                  With so many options for the surfer not to pay, giving him what he wants, at a price he will pay and a length of membership he needs is the only way forward.

                                  You have to think long term if you want to be long term.



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                                    • qxm
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                                      • Jul 2006
                                      • 5970
                                      #10
                                      very nice article and video... my last bump of the day for a nice thread

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                                        • WWC
                                          #1 Adult Content Provider
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 11577
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by qxm
                                          very nice article and video... my last bump of the day for a nice thread
                                          thanks ! it is an important article and video for everyone to watch....
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                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 28609
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                              There's sites charging $9.95/month?
                                              WG
                                              spacash has a dozen or so 9 dollar porn sites
                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                • datatank
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                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                  • 5471
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by WWC-Raffi
                                                  We used to charge $49.95 for monthly membership....
                                                  Then $39.95.....
                                                  Then $29.95.....
                                                  Then $19.95.....
                                                  Then $9.95......
                                                  Guess what price is next....

                                                  Thats why membership based sites must offer more content, better quality and better delivery technology.....

                                                  watch this video : http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free
                                                  You are all worked up over a 6 month old video?

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                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                      • 13449
                                                      #14
                                                      I just finished his book "The Long Tail" actually, and while he has alot of great points about the digital economy as a whole, not all of those things he talks about are transferable to the adult market.

                                                      For instance, product placement for generating revenue. Or a model where everything is free and supported by advertising (google for instance)

                                                      I don't see that working in the adult market in the near future because who is going to pay for advertising in adult space except for people selling the same content you're giving away for free? (yes cams, toys and dating are the exception....but I don't think they're going to bring in enough revenue to support content production 100%)
                                                      I know someone is going to come throw tube sites in my face here....but we are talking about legal content distribution here, where the content is given away for free by the creator/owner. Not a model where content is stolen from the owner to be given away to someone else.

                                                      While the market is definitely changing, I don't think adult and mainstream are going to follow the same paths.
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                                                        • Agent 488
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                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                          • 22511
                                                          #15
                                                          http://www.kk.org/newrules/newrules-4.html

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                                                            • tony299
                                                              lurker
                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                              • 57021
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                              I just finished his book "The Long Tail" actually, and while he has alot of great points about the digital economy as a whole, not all of those things he talks about are transferable to the adult market.

                                                              For instance, product placement for generating revenue. Or a model where everything is free and supported by advertising (google for instance)

                                                              I don't see that working in the adult market in the near future because who is going to pay for advertising in adult space except for people selling the same content you're giving away for free? (yes cams, toys and dating are the exception....but I don't think they're going to bring in enough revenue to support content production 100%)
                                                              I know someone is going to come throw tube sites in my face here....but we are talking about legal content distribution here, where the content is given away for free by the creator/owner. Not a model where content is stolen from the owner to be given away to someone else.

                                                              While the market is definitely changing, I don't think adult and mainstream are going to follow the same paths.
                                                              Didnt they try the everything is free, ads will pay for all model in mainstream already and it pretty much failed?

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                                                                • borked
                                                                  Totally Borked
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 6284
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                  For instance, product placement for generating revenue. Or a model where everything is free and supported by advertising (google for instance)
                                                                  T/MGP's and tube sites don't fall into these categories?

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                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 13827
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Some late night spam. I wrote an article a bit back on free marketing and adult.

                                                                      Freemium Marketing: ?Give your service away for free, possibly ad supported but maybe not, acquire a lot of customers very efficiently through word of mouth, referral networks, organic search marketing, etc, then offer premium priced value added services or an enhanced version of your service to your customer base.?

                                                                      In short, Freemium is when you give away something for free, normally the main product. Then offer some type of up sell or expanded product at a premium price. Free + Premium, simple as that.

                                                                      A direct and probably crazy method of this would be to open a Paysite Members Area to the world, no access restrictions, totally free for all visitors. The visitor can then be up sold on other site features, like broadband movies, extra plugins content, whatever extra features that can be sold at a premium price.

                                                                      Another example of a type of Freemium Marketing would be myfreepaysite.com. This is a monstrous free subscription site, which really doesn?t contain a free front end but the backend subscription is totally free. Free members are given a great deal of real free content but with this includes a massive amount of up sell content and advertisements to just about every major adult product in the business.

                                                                      Some mainstream companies that following a stronger Freemium Model would include di.fm (love it), Skype, Yahoo Music (great service), Flickr LiveJournal, Trillian, Linux (use it), and way more than I?m going to list.

                                                                      This is pretty much how the entire Free Porn traffic base works. From Piracy, Members, and Webmaster Promo Content, all aspects of our Industry have flooded the Internet with millions of free pictures and free movies. This has created a massive base of free porn seeking surfers, that every day seek out freebies and get up sold to the promoted site or related products at a rather steep premium price.

                                                                      The Adult Industry is a global Freemium Market.
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                                                                        • kane
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                          • 20684
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                          Didnt they try the everything is free, ads will pay for all model in mainstream already and it pretty much failed?
                                                                          Yep, that business model brought about the dot com collapse (or what very much part of the problem) back in the late 90's early 2000's) many sites just gave away everything then found out they couldn't get enough advertising to support the cost of running the site.

                                                                          That said, the model still works, but I agree with Snake Doctor that it isn't really transferable to adult because we don't have an endless pool of potential advertisers. The primary source of income from porn is selling more porn.

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                                                                            • WWC
                                                                              #1 Adult Content Provider
                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                              • 11577
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by datatank
                                                                              You are all worked up over a 6 month old video?
                                                                              Worked up? 6 month old video....my frien , thats still today!

                                                                              I guess some of us are really upto the minute.....excuuuse me winkwink:
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                                                                                • WWC
                                                                                  #1 Adult Content Provider
                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                  • 11577
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                  Some late night spam. I wrote an article a bit back on free marketing and adult.

                                                                                  Freemium Marketing: ?Give your service away for free, possibly ad supported but maybe not, acquire a lot of customers very efficiently through word of mouth, referral networks, organic search marketing, etc, then offer premium priced value added services or an enhanced version of your service to your customer base.?

                                                                                  In short, Freemium is when you give away something for free, normally the main product. Then offer some type of up sell or expanded product at a premium price. Free + Premium, simple as that.

                                                                                  A direct and probably crazy method of this would be to open a Paysite Members Area to the world, no access restrictions, totally free for all visitors. The visitor can then be up sold on other site features, like broadband movies, extra plugins content, whatever extra features that can be sold at a premium price.

                                                                                  Another example of a type of Freemium Marketing would be myfreepaysite.com. This is a monstrous free subscription site, which really doesn?t contain a free front end but the backend subscription is totally free. Free members are given a great deal of real free content but with this includes a massive amount of up sell content and advertisements to just about every major adult product in the business.

                                                                                  Some mainstream companies that following a stronger Freemium Model would include di.fm (love it), Skype, Yahoo Music (great service), Flickr LiveJournal, Trillian, Linux (use it), and way more than I?m going to list.

                                                                                  This is pretty much how the entire Free Porn traffic base works. From Piracy, Members, and Webmaster Promo Content, all aspects of our Industry have flooded the Internet with millions of free pictures and free movies. This has created a massive base of free porn seeking surfers, that every day seek out freebies and get up sold to the promoted site or related products at a rather steep premium price.

                                                                                  The Adult Industry is a global Freemium Market.
                                                                                  Very nice brotha....please spam more often . ...we need more great info like this...food for thought!!!
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                                                                                    • HomerSimpson
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                                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                                      • 13826
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      good stuff!
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                                                                                        • The Duck
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                                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                                          • 18243
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          interesting watch
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                                                                                            • xmas13
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                                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                                              • 5176
                                                                                              #24
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                                                                                                • Owen Pierce
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                                                                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                                                                  • 95
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                  Didnt they try the everything is free, ads will pay for all model in mainstream already and it pretty much failed?
                                                                                                  Hahah yeah, that's why Google is doing so bad.
                                                                                                  ;)
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                                                                                                    • notime
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                      • 8027
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                      Some late night spam. I wrote an article a bit back on free marketing and adult.

                                                                                                      Freemium Marketing: ?Give your service away for free, possibly ad supported but maybe not, acquire a lot of customers very efficiently through word of mouth, referral networks, organic search marketing, etc, then offer premium priced value added services or an enhanced version of your service to your customer base.?

                                                                                                      In short, Freemium is when you give away something for free, normally the main product. Then offer some type of up sell or expanded product at a premium price. Free + Premium, simple as that.

                                                                                                      A direct and probably crazy method of this would be to open a Paysite Members Area to the world, no access restrictions, totally free for all visitors. The visitor can then be up sold on other site features, like broadband movies, extra plugins content, whatever extra features that can be sold at a premium price.

                                                                                                      Another example of a type of Freemium Marketing would be myfreepaysite.com. This is a monstrous free subscription site, which really doesn?t contain a free front end but the backend subscription is totally free. Free members are given a great deal of real free content but with this includes a massive amount of up sell content and advertisements to just about every major adult product in the business.

                                                                                                      Some mainstream companies that following a stronger Freemium Model would include di.fm (love it), Skype, Yahoo Music (great service), Flickr LiveJournal, Trillian, Linux (use it), and way more than I?m going to list.

                                                                                                      This is pretty much how the entire Free Porn traffic base works. From Piracy, Members, and Webmaster Promo Content, all aspects of our Industry have flooded the Internet with millions of free pictures and free movies. This has created a massive base of free porn seeking surfers, that every day seek out freebies and get up sold to the promoted site or related products at a rather steep premium price.

                                                                                                      The Adult Industry is a global Freemium Market.
                                                                                                      nice read indeed!

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                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                          business principles dont change.
                                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                          Enough Said.

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                                                                                                            • klaze
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • May 2008
                                                                                                              • 2167
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              That video is kind of misleading because every business he mentioned has a part that people pay to use..

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                                                                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                  • 13827
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by klaze
                                                                                                                  That video is kind of misleading because every business he mentioned has a part that people pay to use..
                                                                                                                  It's not misleading - it's exactly what the point is about. You offer something for free, anything to bring in the traffic, then upsell them anyway you wish.
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                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by WWC-Raffi
                                                                                                                      Very nice brotha....please spam more often . ...we need more great info like this...food for thought!!!
                                                                                                                      Will do and thanks!

                                                                                                                      Originally posted by notime
                                                                                                                      nice read indeed!
                                                                                                                      ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                                                                      It's all disambiguation

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                                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          This 'business model' is never going to translate to REAL business. Especially where it takes fresh content... music, movies, porn, to make money.

                                                                                                                          Why people keep posting this drivel is asinine. You really need to go take a marketing class, or even business or economics 101. If you think you can make money doing 'free' and turn a profit then you are a complete idiot.

                                                                                                                          It takes money to make money.

                                                                                                                          As someone else said, I am not talking about free, as in stealing other people's content, reselling it, and calling that a business model. I am talking about legally, and financially running a fucking business.
                                                                                                                          Last edited by Barefootsies; 09-08-2008, 10:07 AM.
                                                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                            • sweetredhead
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2008
                                                                                                                              • 443
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WWC-Raffi
                                                                                                                              We used to charge $49.95 for monthly membership....
                                                                                                                              Then $39.95.....
                                                                                                                              Then $29.95.....
                                                                                                                              Then $19.95.....
                                                                                                                              Then $9.95......
                                                                                                                              Guess what price is next....

                                                                                                                              Thats why membership based sites must offer more content, better quality and better delivery technology.....

                                                                                                                              watch this video : http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free
                                                                                                                              our biz model is at $19.99 for full access and we deliver great content, great quality and the best delivery of technology. Thanks Raffi, we get great content from u guys.
                                                                                                                              Brooke
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                                                                                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 13827
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                  This 'business model' is never going to translate to REAL business. Especially where it takes fresh content... music, movies, porn, to make money.

                                                                                                                                  Why people keep posting this drivel is asinine. You really need to go take a marketing class, or even business or economics 101. If you think you can make money doing 'free' and turn a profit then you are a complete idiot.

                                                                                                                                  It takes money to make money.

                                                                                                                                  As someone else said, I am not talking about free, as in stealing other people's content, reselling it, and calling that a business model. I am talking about legally, and financially running a fucking business.
                                                                                                                                  The idea of fresh content, is the upsell. We give away our fresh content in sections. So we give away free content, on free sites, to get them to upsell to fresh content that wasn't given out.

                                                                                                                                  The idea of free marketing to upsell something has proven itself to work time and time again. It just don't work on every product, just like every porn site doesn't work just because it's free.
                                                                                                                                  ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                                                                                  It's all disambiguation

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                                                                                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 13449
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                      Didnt they try the everything is free, ads will pay for all model in mainstream already and it pretty much failed?
                                                                                                                                      Not exactly.

                                                                                                                                      They tried the "give stuff away for free to build up traffic numbers and we'll figure out how to make money off of it later" model.
                                                                                                                                      They also tried that when overhead was very expensive. Overhead like storage, bandwidth, and processing.

                                                                                                                                      Now the price bandwidth, storage, and processing are dropping like a stone....so it allows different kinds of business models to work.

                                                                                                                                      For instance a free email service that charges for value added features like more storage or something like that.
                                                                                                                                      A free blog hosting service that charges a nominal fee to have the ads removed.

                                                                                                                                      The future in mainstream seems to be having a free version and a paid version of your service, whatever your service or product is. (This is at least according to the editor of Wired magazine, Chris Anderson)

                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately I don't see this having a big future in adult because once the end user blows his load, his demand for our product drops to zero, at least for that day, or that few hours, or whatever.

                                                                                                                                      Giving away samples of our product to entice surfers to buy the full version has been a staple of our business for a long time....but if we give too much away then the end user has no need for the full version and we don't make any money.
                                                                                                                                      Since there isn't an advertising model that can support our overhead (which for us, is more than bandwidth, storage, and processing....we have to pay the talent, the shooters, etc) I don't see us following in mainstream's footsteps on this particular issue.
                                                                                                                                      sig too big

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                                                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                          The idea of fresh content, is the upsell. We give away our fresh content in sections. So we give away free content, on free sites, to get them to upsell to fresh content that wasn't given out.

                                                                                                                                          The idea of free marketing to upsell something has proven itself to work time and time again. It just don't work on every product, just like every porn site doesn't work just because it's free.
                                                                                                                                          Interesting follow up toots.
                                                                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                            • sortie
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                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                              • 7771
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Cheaper sites have never sold any better for me than higher priced sites.

                                                                                                                                              So I don't know if it matters that much.

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                                                                                                                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 30307
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I am gonna go and call that video false information.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                      jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 71528
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      the problem with everything free and advertising paying is that in adult, the buck will have stop at some point or people wont be able to afford to advertise

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                                                                                                                                                        • cj_purve
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                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 1065
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                          Didnt they try the everything is free, ads will pay for all model in mainstream already and it pretty much failed?
                                                                                                                                                          Are you assuming it failed because of the handful of moron dot com companies that went bust? There really wasn't that many companies that went bust in the 'dot com crash', it was blown far out of proportion by the media ... and the day traders!

                                                                                                                                                          The free content/paid advertising model is working all over the internet - in adult AND mainstream.

                                                                                                                                                          It's easy to make the mistake of thinking "I don't know how to make that business model work therefore its going to fail for anyone who tries it" ... or "That business model messes with mine therefore it is bad business" ... but if someone wants to put a tgp online, pay for the content and bandwidth, build relationships with sponsors to buy ad space, move into a mainstream model as they ruined the adult one and then sell out - good luck to them!

                                                                                                                                                          This thread is funny "What happened in mainstream is happening to adult online". Adult has already had a few crashes a long time before mainstream did ... its not just happening in adult now, it happened a long time ago and this is just another phase of the same evolution ... or a new phase. Whichever. Its not the first time and it won't be the last!

                                                                                                                                                          "the problem with everything free and advertising paying is that in adult, the buck will have stop at some point or people wont be able to afford to advertise"

                                                                                                                                                          Just like that stupid google business model where people will end up having to pay more than a dollar for a single click? Oh wait ... that's now and google are making a fortune off every ma & pa site who don't realize that a click isn't worth a dollar or more!!!! If you remember what the Internet was like before Google & YouTube existed, you'd keep your mind open and be ready for change ... none of us know what's coming next.

                                                                                                                                                          "Unfortunately I don't see this having a big future in adult because once the end user blows his load, his demand for our product drops to zero, at least for that day, or that few hours, or whatever."

                                                                                                                                                          Since when has the surfer been the customer of the adult industry?! The entire adult industry business model is based on webmasters (affiliates) being the customer ... its only been the last year or 2 when affiliate programs have started cutting out the mostly unnecessary middle man and looking at the surfer as their customer. But is it really the case yet that the surfer is the customer of the adult business?

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                                                                                                                                                            • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              youtube has 100 million views and cant make a profit all free, divx's site all free amazing free content closed couldnt make money. porn made lots and lots of money in video sales and the only thing you had to make your choice was either the box cover or the occasional trailer you saw on another movie you bought or rented.
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                                                                                                                                                                • WWC
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                                                  I just finished his book "The Long Tail" actually, and while he has alot of great points about the digital economy as a whole, not all of those things he talks about are transferable to the adult market.

                                                                                                                                                                  For instance, product placement for generating revenue. Or a model where everything is free and supported by advertising (google for instance)

                                                                                                                                                                  I don't see that working in the adult market in the near future because who is going to pay for advertising in adult space except for people selling the same content you're giving away for free? (yes cams, toys and dating are the exception....but I don't think they're going to bring in enough revenue to support content production 100%)
                                                                                                                                                                  I know someone is going to come throw tube sites in my face here....but we are talking about legal content distribution here, where the content is given away for free by the creator/owner. Not a model where content is stolen from the owner to be given away to someone else.

                                                                                                                                                                  While the market is definitely changing, I don't think adult and mainstream are going to follow the same paths.
                                                                                                                                                                  Yes good observation but the fact that we have been delivering adult video contenr for over 15 years ( 150 in our internet years :-) online has made it more available, variety and free already....so yes business principles are there but the WAY to do business has changed......and more self made producers i almost forgot to mention...
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                                                                                                                                                                    • raven1083
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                                                                                                                                                                      great video. Thanks!
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by cj_purve
                                                                                                                                                                          Since when has the surfer been the customer of the adult industry?! The entire adult industry business model is based on webmasters (affiliates) being the customer ... its only been the last year or 2 when affiliate programs have started cutting out the mostly unnecessary middle man and looking at the surfer as their customer. But is it really the case yet that the surfer is the customer of the adult business?
                                                                                                                                                                          This is one of the problems. Thousands of people have content, OK so a lot of them don't have a lot. So let's say 100 people have legal content and lots of it. So why aren't they sticking up legal tube sites and living off the advertising?

                                                                                                                                                                          Because we built a business where most of us need to spend $15 to get a guy to spend $30. Figures to illustrate a point. A few have traffic and found it did work and they are making it tough for the rest of us. Few of the sites without traffic are finding all they have to do is put up free porn to get traffic.

                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe soon Tubes will be doing traffic trading to get traffic.

                                                                                                                                                                          There are many reasons this is not working and most of the examples given are like comparing chalk and cheese. Because a sales method works selling chalk does not mean it will work selling cheese.



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                                                                                                                                                                            • corvette
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                                                                                                                                                                              raffi, great video, i passed it around the office
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                                                                                                                                                                                • WWC
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by corvette
                                                                                                                                                                                  raffi, great video, i passed it around the office
                                                                                                                                                                                  sounds good!
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Nautilus
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                                                                      I just finished his book "The Long Tail" actually, and while he has alot of great points about the digital economy as a whole, not all of those things he talks about are transferable to the adult market.

                                                                                                                                                                                      For instance, product placement for generating revenue. Or a model where everything is free and supported by advertising (google for instance)

                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't see that working in the adult market in the near future because who is going to pay for advertising in adult space except for people selling the same content you're giving away for free? (yes cams, toys and dating are the exception....but I don't think they're going to bring in enough revenue to support content production 100%)
                                                                                                                                                                                      I know someone is going to come throw tube sites in my face here....but we are talking about legal content distribution here, where the content is given away for free by the creator/owner. Not a model where content is stolen from the owner to be given away to someone else.

                                                                                                                                                                                      While the market is definitely changing, I don't think adult and mainstream are going to follow the same paths.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Most to the point post in the entire thread.
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