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woot, welcome to GFY!

welcome to the zoo ;)

Let us know when you get some pps going

Sure, hit me up on Skype, we'll get something going for sure

Welcome!!! Love DDF content ;)

Welcome! I always liked your program!

Hi, Ante, welcome to GFY.

Did DDF Cash ever get that bullshit with the invoices sorted out?

To refresh everyone's memory, in 2015 DDF Cash sent out an affiliate email announcing that starting in January 2016 they would no longer pay anybody automatically; supposedly if you don't remember to invoice them, you won't be paid. A snail-mail mailing address was provided for sending the invoices. Obviously that's not acceptable to US webmasters who expect to be paid without demand and aren't going to bill European programs by air mail, but when confronted about it, Paul got very hostile and dismissed all concerns as "ridiculous".

That same email made some vague demands for submission of "documents" from affiliates on a very short time scale. The documents desired were never specified, even though Paul blustered at length about how "we probably don't need" anybody who had a problem with them but would provide "provide all pertinent data to affiliates" at some future time. (That never happened.) Paul then bailed on the thread and has not been seen since on GFY.

So, sorry, Ante, but you've got some bridges to rebuild here on GFY before you will be smooth sailing to do new marketing.

Bump for DDF! Welcome!

Welcome! ddf content always looks good!

its like a poker game whos going to ante up

all links pulled GFY

my life time average with DDF is $27.70 per sale. What is the PPS amount? so 30 dollar pps would be a 10% increase in revenue.

Good move from Xvideos :D

As european affiliate I contacted Paul and he gived me the possibility to enter in touch with Ante.
Ante was very nice, he gived me a big help in creating my first invoice and my payment arrived in 2 minutes.

DDFCash has a "contact us" option that works fine ([email protected] or [email protected]) so, if you have problems with invoices, my suggestion is to contact them through their official program

Gfy is a great place where sometime is really simple to contact a manager but many sites have an official option "support - get in touch with us" that works. DDFCash in one of them.

I personally do not have a problem with DDFCash, if I did of course I would do that. The problem here is a problem that DDFCash has created with the American webmaster community.

There is a universal expectation that an affiliate program will pay funds due when they become due, without waiting for a demand from the affiliates who are owed money.

DDFCash publicly announced that they would not honor that expectation. Details were vague, conflicting, and smelt of ass-covering. A promise was made that all would be clarified with further announcements to affiliates. That never happened.

DDFCash's public stance is that they are simply going to keep the money from all affiliates who fail to contact them and demand payment. That's unacceptable. That needs to be fixed. They have not fixed it.

No amount of individual contacts from individual affiliates can resolve this issue. Any affiliate who knows to make contact can get paid, right? The issue is the money that's being withheld from the affiliates who do not know.

How many of you have ever gotten a check from a program you forgot you ever promoted, because old rebills finally accumulated enough money to trigger a minimum payout? That's the money DDFCash decided to stop paying.

If DDFCash wants too market here on GFY, it seems only fair that potential affiliates be made aware: the game with DDFCash is different. They will not pay you when your account reaches the minimum. You'll have to take steps. That's not normal, that's not the standard in the industry, that's not right. It shouldn't be left unmentioned.

Just my opinion.

Hello Forkbeard

And thank you for pointing out obvious. Regarding Paul, he's here with me getting drowned in work. He's the guy who's responsible for all of these "great content" comments which I really appreciate. Having that in mind, he's really passionate guy, but he didn't mean anything mean. I wish every single one of you have someone like him in your company. Can guarantee you would make great progress with him on board so catch him for every word he writes is a bit harsh, but again it's GFY, so it's expected. On the other hand, I got hired recently, and among other tasks, one is to make this invoice transition as smooth as possible as well as reconnecting with affiliates and possibly get some new, creative ones.

I see your second post below, so will answer all invoice related things under that post. Additional questions are more than welcome.

I think you are one bluffing because I can see steady traffic coming from your account. Thank you for working with us

Thanks bro. Glad to see some familiar faces here

Thanks! Hope I'll be useful to ZOO community :D

Thanks for kind words We are working hard to make it better every day.

Thanks blonda. Bummer we won't work together anymore since I moved to DDF. But still you are awesome

Thanks

We are doing our best! Glad you like it.

Can you shoot me email or add me on Skype. Let's see which sites and price points you promote , sure we'll make good deal for both of us.
Dude, we are paysite, not tube ;)

So glad one of our affiliates spoke about this! Whoever reached out to me regarding invoice problem got same treatment, payout amount isn't the factor. We treat all of our affiliates with respect and we would never steal from them.

Too bad we don't have here some of the affiliates I chased trough couple of emails, Skype and ICQ accounts just to get their invoice so we can pay them. Still have affiliates who have pending payments and doing my best to chase them up so they can get their money.

Basically DDF hired a guy (me) just to (among other stuff) pay out affiliate's money, so that is even more expensive for them, but no one is taking that into consideration. Wouldn't say that they are so bad as some of you think. Don't look things black&white because it's not.

This post stuck to my eye the most. Mostly because statements aren't true or taken out of the context.

I know it's "universal expectation" to get automatically payed and we would love to do it like that but we are trying to to take our business out of the dark and obey the law. It's "universal expectation" to legalize weed but it's still illegal in most of the countries. I'm sure it's coming for all other EU affiliate programs, so you can call us pioneers and we are taking so much heat about it, but I'm sure with some cooperation between affiliate programs and affiliates this can be so much smoother, we are certainly working on it as we speak.

Now couple of disclaimers: Every affiliate who has pending payment with us got several emails with detailed instructions how to make invoice, even if they don't have registered company (doing affiliate work as second job or hobby) along with my email, Skype and ICQ contact (for detailed explanation like Marco68) on email address they listed in their DDF Cash profile. Along with that I went trough every single one of their profiles and extracted their ICQ or Skype contacts in intention to warn them about pending payment. I had some good success, but still there are affiliates who have pending payments but we'll never keep that money to ourselves.

Invoices can be uploaded trough DDF Cash or email affiliates got in their email notifications, and payments are basically instant, depending on part of the day when they are uploaded.

"Details were vague, conflicting, and smelt of ass-covering. A promise was made that all would be clarified with further announcements to affiliates. That never happened."

All affiliates with pending payment got all necessary information about our company to make invoice. Nothing shady about that. Actually, if you provide your email address I can send you email they got so you can research it a bit more.

If affiliate don't know how to contact us, we'll find a way to contact them, you can be sure in that, but it's good that they already have their representative. And I'll make sure it goes into our T&C: "We are EU based company, please obey the law"

Thank you all for comments, good and bad. This thread got more response than I expected, keep it coming, I really appreciate it. Only like this we'll get somewhere.

Cheers!

There's not one word in what I posted that is untrue, and I provided the context with a link.

Can you please specify what is "the law" you are obeying here? Many people in the other thread speculate that it has something to do with EU VAT rules, but there has never been any DDFCash confirmation of that claim. What's more, in other places on the web there is extensive discussion of the EU VAT rules as they apply to overseas affiliates, and the consensus is that no invoice from overseas affiliates is required, or if an invoice is required, it can be auto-generated by the party requiring the invoice. American affiliates who deal with many large and professional Euro outfits (not "in the dark") confirm that withholding payments to affiliates who do not invoice is not something anyone else is doing. That calls DDFCAsh's claims into question, as I am sure you can understand. If you would specify in a few sentences precisely what law you think requires this procedure, it would go a long way toward restoring your company's public credibility. We might agree or disagree, but it would undermine the popular theory that you're simply looking for a way to avoid payments.

That's good news. If Paul had made such a promise back in December, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. It's a pity he did not. He allowed us all to continue believing that DDFCash would simply ignore accounts with pending payments until affiliates spontaneously generated an invoice.

This problem has never been about the invoice as much as it has been about the perception that DDFCash was abandoning its obligation to pay affiliates without demand. If you are initiating payment processes by any means when payment is due, that pretty much solves the problem.


If you review the other thread, you'll see that Paul promised to provide that information to all affiliates, not just "affiliates with pending payment". That never happened. Once again, if that commitment had been kept, you and I would not be having this conversation.

Thanks for your responses here. They do help. I find your efforts to dismiss my concerns as not true and "out of context" to be disappointing and disingenuous, but of course they are well within the rough standards of discourse here at GFY.

Welcome to the zoo

Dude, xvideos = legalporn = you guys since they bought you no?

I'm glad and thank you for taking the time to communicate your concerns here. You were claiming in the first posts that we required invoices to be sent via 'snail mail', and that there was timeframe applied and this isn't true.

I can take blame on our side for not communicating it properly, but this is supposed to be semi-informal way of communication, and not "set in stone" list of rules. Also, if I remember correctly Paul left his contact in last post for all who had any questions, not sure did anyone contacted him.

Maybe you should make some sales with DDF and test out our payment speed, you might like it.

Thanks! ZOO approved :D

I was not "claiming", I was quoting the mail that affiliates received:

That was sent during the month of November -- absolutely not enough time to get a snail-mail invoice to the Netherlands by December 1. So, if it "isn't true" we had no way to know that based on the information sent to affiliates.

Honestly I think you would do a lot better if you focused on your message that the problem has been corrected and that the ridiculous barriers to payment no longer exist, rather than trying to claim that they never did exist or that we had no reason to think they did.

these guys are fucking idiots man

It was pretty clear to anyone who has ever dealt with invoices in the past that they just gave that information to put in the "Bill To" field of the invoice, not that you had to send them by snail-mail.

You're lucky that you never had to deal with invoices and accounting, but unfortunately many of us do.

That was your assumption.

In my experience, making the charitable assumptions about oddly-worded affiliate announcements that affect payment has not worked out well. And when we sought clarification, we got told that our concerns were "ridiculous."

I do invoices all the time, for transactions where they are needed. Usually if a company desires electronic invoicing that shows a physical bill-to address, they make the desired method of electronic invoicing quite clear. In the absence of that, assuming the email meant what it said about a billing address doesn't seem unreasonable.

whole thing is just getting weird

Hello all,

Got swamped with work lately so can't answer regulary. I see these is still couple of "invoice situation" posts so I'll just respond now:

This!

As you can see in your quote:

Please bill to:
DDF Media BV
Dockweg 33B
1976C IJMUIDEN
Netherlands

Doesn't say "(snail-) mail to"


And actually I'm doing my best to point out efforts we are doing to provide payments to every affiliate, but somehow you are always returning to snail-mail thing and that we are "cheating affiliates" which is completely false.

If you have any more questions post them here, I'll respond as soon as I have time

Cheers!!

FYI, I use https://invoice-generator.com to create my invoice to upload to DDF -- all in less than 5 minutes.

pretty good invoice site and its free to use.

btw, I just added you on icq... i have a question for you

Really useful site!

Thank you for this!

welcome aboard & good luck Ante!

Thanks a lot!

Hey welcome. DDF has a good ratio.

BTW wy do people keep saying Xvideos bought you? I heard the rumor before, but Denys denied it

Jesus.

Just raise a fucking invoice and get paid.

Or don't.

Clown

Well if he's my boss I guess he knows what he's talking about

I've added you on Skype, please accept. Need your assistance with something.

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum.

Welcome to the board Ante. It's nice to see an active face here for DDF.

Thanks guys! Appreciated!

Hope I'll be able to handle all DDF-related questions.

Fire away!

Hi. didn't get the skype invitation.

I've resent the request

could you add me, please? anteddf is skype name

Thanks!

oh look two different nicks and look again its connected to easyxcash which was ourbitches on epoch who never told affiliates they changed to nats

nothing wrong with that its ante and we all trust him...............

Busted! :O

Yes, my bad. Regarding your trust towards me not sure how it can be affected by me making new account when switched companies, but I'm sure you have reasons.

I've revived my older account to give EXC some exposure and maybe post some promo stuff of theirs. It's true that I didn't mean to post here with old account, but it happens.

On the side note, trough this tread found couple of affiliates who had pending payments with us so we managed to contact them and give them their money.

Keep posting, this is fun!

Hey guys,

Just to bump up thread a bit.

If there is any existing or soon to be affiliates working on PPS basis, feel free to ping me anytime so we can do some business.

Have a blast all!

Hey I must have issed this thread. Welcome to GFY!

I have Members Area traffic. Should we do business?

Hey,

Yea sure. Add me on ICQ, I see you have some compatible sites with niches we cover, we can figure something out!

Cheers