Immigration is the most important issue of our times

Why should it cost that much more?

Agreed.

10 people sharing $1,000. Brings in no more than 20 people sharing the same pot. The problem is 20 people need more. It's what people have per person that counts. This will help you understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_dependencies

Tax is raised via a percentage of GDP, not population numbers. And everyone costs the country money, some make enough to repay that figure, others don't make enough to cover their costs.

If immigration fueled economies. Those refugees from the ME would be welcomed with open arms.

Look at GDP and tax spending per Capita. This will give you a figure of what the average person contributes to the country. Then double it because for every working migrant there will be non-working one. United States GDP per Capita $54,370 look at who is above the US. Forget the oil rich. Total Government Spending $20,760 / person

A select few contribute, the rest are split between those who break even and those who deduct.

A lot of that money ends up outside the country. so now try figuring it all out again. You're 100 years too late with that theory.

Where the fuck are these immigrants you talk about who appreciate good opportunities.

Are you seeing these entrepreneurs in the minnesota somali population or in europe maybe?

Those entrepreneurs you talk about is an extreme minority popping up very rarely. What about all the immigrants who never had it in them or ever will?

Nah your statements have no substance, it's like talking to a 1998 internet bot.

IIf it's used to buy foreign goods, even drug money, it goes outside the country.

Some here are making huge assumptions, based on people being equal. They're not and never will be.

A dirt farmer in the Midwest contributes less than Bill Gates. A migrant Brain surgeon contributes more than a hospital porter.

Unemployed for whatever reason, children, disabled contribute nothing. US population is 322.7 million. In February 2015, about 119.3 million people were employed on a full-time basis. Discounting a small number who earn so much part time they need not work full time. This is 200 million not working or contributing. 200 million living off the income of the 120 million.

Now deduct those on minimum wage and those with large families. Now deduct those who are doing a job an American could do. Even prisoners could do work like picking fruit and veg.

There's a very good reason the UK is implementing a law that says if a migrant doesn't earn $56,000 a year they have to return home. There are safeguards for certain skills.

A simple way to see if all migrants contribute, is go to where they live and see how well they're doing.

Tackle this problem, the next one will be Natives who don't contribute and reducing the populations to fit 21st Century demands.

The total welfare budget incl. Medicaid is about 1 trillion in 2016, the total (lifetime) budget only for the F35 jet is 1.3 trillion. And the thing is reportedly shit. It's all about perspective.

Well im in the UK and we finally get our say on June 23rd. We are leaving the EU. They can stick there immigration policies up there arse. When we are out, its time to put an Australian point based system in place. Happy days

You seem sure you leaving the EU, what you gonna do if that doesn't happen ?

I do hope you're right, cause that will stir some shit in the political landscape of europe, much needed.

But just like the establishment rallying vs Trump, the EU fan boys of europe aka the elite will do everything they can to keep you "IN".

The more immigration negativity that happens until June the better.

If we vote to stay, its another 40 years of mass immigration and Britain will be up shit creek. We are a small island and we are full. If we dont leave, il give up giving a fuck tbh

Cost more because they can't use cheap labor and have to pay decent wages.

As far as the 20vs 1 argument.. what you are overlooking is those 20 buy more cars, more gas, more big macs than the one person. This is why power in numbers is superior to the one rich guy..

20 people can't buy more cars if they can't afford them. 1 person can but a car because he can afford it. That's why there is no power in numbers sharing the same pot of money.

Yes, when companies are forced to pay higher wages the economy improves. Prices rise a little to a lot and still the economy thrives in the long run.

The extra wages have to be fueled by the private sector. The public sector has a habit of doing this with borrowed money that has to be repaid, or borrow more to repay the previous loan. Look at Greece for an extreme example of how it goes wrong.

Low paid workers do not contribute to an economy. They only contribute to the profits of the company employing them. When they're subsidised in a system like the UK's, they cast others. If they did contribute GDP would be leaping ahead. It's not, but welfare costs are.



Every migrant on benefits or a low wage adds more to the costs of running the country and more onto the shoulders of others. Two people going for a job instead of one, keeping wages down, rents up, needing schools and hospitals without adding to the funds to run them, etc.

The one winner is the top 1%, who do see profits rise. Should those profits be taxed more or should the ability to earn more this way be removed?