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Is the porn in crisis?

08-11-2008, 05:52 AM

Hi friends.

I work mainly with spanish web traffic, and the situation is really bad. A lot of tube sites are destroying this business.

I want to know what's happening with american porn. It's in crisis to? Is rentable make freesites or galleries like two years ago? Or only big webmaster make money, and small webmasters like me are condenated to disappear?

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08-11-2008, 06:01 AM

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08-11-2008, 06:10 AM

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08-11-2008, 07:07 AM

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08-11-2008, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

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08-11-2008, 07:31 AM

Some people will says it's fucked.
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08-11-2008, 07:33 AM

the whole industry needs to be reinvented, new business plans, aggresive concepts
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08-11-2008, 07:41 AM

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08-11-2008, 08:04 AM

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08-11-2008, 08:16 AM

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08-11-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Scott McD

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08-11-2008, 08:37 AM

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08-11-2008, 09:02 AM

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08-11-2008, 09:11 AM

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08-11-2008, 10:02 AM

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08-11-2008, 10:07 AM

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08-11-2008, 10:18 AM

porn is evolving
it always has and always will
some will make money and others will lose it

It's not overly complicated.

Does it mean working harder and working with thinner margins? probably, but it's always sort of been that way. It evolves and will continue to evolve.

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08-11-2008, 10:19 AM

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08-11-2008, 10:22 AM

paysites are not cutting it anymore. People want video and live cams. As simple as that
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08-11-2008, 10:26 AM

I wish every time someone started one of these threads the mods would lock it.

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08-11-2008, 10:42 AM

i agree, we are in a crisis situation here and we need backup yesterday

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08-11-2008, 11:10 AM

I think their is just too much free content on the web. Why would someone pay if he can get it all for free ?
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08-11-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by misterhhs

I think their is just too much free content on the web. Why would someone pay if he can get it all for free ?

easy, they pay for the content they dont find for free... like new models, specific fetishes, etc. I agree its more difficult everyday so you need to build more appealing sites and use fresh faces... I personally see a brighter future in the teen & amateur niche markets, as well as in some kind of virtual dating
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08-12-2008, 04:06 AM

I see that your situation is very diferent. In the spanish porn, a lot of sponsors are closing, webmasters are selling domains, is a real crisis situation.

But american webamster don't want to talk about crisis and see a great future.

Thanks for your comments.
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08-12-2008, 04:08 AM

I personally don't think so, I'm currently making more money than I ever have now.
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08-12-2008, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by tammix

easy, they pay for the content they dont find for free... like new models, specific fetishes, etc. I agree its more difficult everyday so you need to build more appealing sites and use fresh faces... I personally see a brighter future in the teen & amateur niche markets, as well as in some kind of virtual dating

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08-12-2008, 04:14 AM

Yes the porn market is in crisis and anyone who says it's not is possibly lying so you can join his program. There are a few sites that are not declining, I'm talking generally.

DVD sales are falling and will continue to fall.
Magazines are in decline.
Internet porn is also in decline.

The reasons are many and few. The main reason is the buyers are buying less, the reasons they are buying less are many.

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08-12-2008, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Yes the porn market is in crisis and anyone who says it's not is possibly lying so you can join his program. There are a few sites that are not declining, I'm talking generally.

DVD sales are falling and will continue to fall.
Magazines are in decline.
Internet porn is also in decline.

The reasons are many and few. The main reason is the buyers are buying less, the reasons they are buying less are many.

The solution is to adapt or die.

Thanks Paul, this is the most interest and serious opinion I read in this thread.
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08-12-2008, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by rokanrol

Thanks Paul, this is the most interest and serious opinion I read in this thread.

Thank you. Consider that a lot of people post on boards to promote their company and what they say is largely selling to others around them. If you're selling to affiliates then it would be unwise to say your site is not converting as well as it was. What the affiliate who joins thinks 6 months down the line is not important, but this has always beens a short sited industry.

The porn industry has for 20 years over produced the product and it all worked when the consumer had no choice. He had to buy a video, then a DVD, then he could rent it. To compete many companies rather than producing a better product produced more product for the same money. Just more boxes on more shelves.

Then the Internet found porn, or was it the other way around, and in the last few years they adopted the same approach. More product, sites, for the same money. Many complain about too much free porn, most of them were the ones spending more on putting up the free porn than on what the consumer was buying.

Then Net speeds rose, BW and hosting costs dropped to a level that were so low people could give everything away. Torrents were not a help but the big problem is Tube sites. They satisfy the real demand for porn.

Porn is mostly a product to stimulate a man to masturbate. It takes 10 minutes to masturbate. So a 20 minute scene on a website giving it away for free is perfect for most consumers. Add to this that most porn is produced for low costs with little "merit or real quality" and you have buyers who are now able to get the product being sold to them for free.

Sites that truly offer something that is different, a different blonde getting fucked on a different sofa is the same porn as 100,000 other blondes getting fucked on other sofas, will survive. you need to be able to create or deliver something worth buying.

This is a short post of the situation today. Everyone will now post their replies telling you I'm a clueless old fart. But little else, or tell you their site is different.

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08-12-2008, 06:55 AM

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08-12-2008, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Rockatansky

no doubt, the sky is falling1

No it's not. There are clouds and for some they are big and dark, others are getting umbrellas. And for a few it's blue skies.

The recent trends have been coming for a long time and have been growing. This is not an Acacia or 2257 type thing. They were storms in a tea cup.

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08-13-2008, 02:13 AM

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08-13-2008, 02:44 AM

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08-13-2008, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Thank you. Consider that a lot of people post on boards to promote their company and what they say is largely selling to others around them. If you're selling to affiliates then it would be unwise to say your site is not converting as well as it was. What the affiliate who joins thinks 6 months down the line is not important, but this has always beens a short sited industry.

The porn industry has for 20 years over produced the product and it all worked when the consumer had no choice. He had to buy a video, then a DVD, then he could rent it. To compete many companies rather than producing a better product produced more product for the same money. Just more boxes on more shelves.

Then the Internet found porn, or was it the other way around, and in the last few years they adopted the same approach. More product, sites, for the same money. Many complain about too much free porn, most of them were the ones spending more on putting up the free porn than on what the consumer was buying.

Then Net speeds rose, BW and hosting costs dropped to a level that were so low people could give everything away. Torrents were not a help but the big problem is Tube sites. They satisfy the real demand for porn.

Porn is mostly a product to stimulate a man to masturbate. It takes 10 minutes to masturbate. So a 20 minute scene on a website giving it away for free is perfect for most consumers. Add to this that most porn is produced for low costs with little "merit or real quality" and you have buyers who are now able to get the product being sold to them for free.

Sites that truly offer something that is different, a different blonde getting fucked on a different sofa is the same porn as 100,000 other blondes getting fucked on other sofas, will survive. you need to be able to create or deliver something worth buying.

This is a short post of the situation today. Everyone will now post their replies telling you I'm a clueless old fart. But little else, or tell you their site is different.

you're a clueless old fart
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08-13-2008, 05:04 AM

adult porn is very competitive these days, stakes are high, if you are successful you make a lot of money but if you don't win the fight you die.

my advice to you:
if you are just starting out and don't have both feet in it - don't close your mind to other projects beside online porn.
if you believe you can make more money elsewhere - go for it.
the idea is to make money - as much as you can - don't let these kids make you feel like you are loosing by leaving because if you can make more money than them from other projects - they are the ego driven stupid ones .

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08-13-2008, 05:24 AM

While you've made some good points in this thread here is where you lose those with some knowledge...

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Yes the porn market is in crisis and anyone who says it's not is possibly lying so you can join his program. There are a few sites that are not declining, I'm talking generally.

.... you have this habit of using broad generalizations that anything YOU can't believe is a lie. While there are some of us who are NOT in decline. Just because YOU are doesn't mean we are hurting.

Yes. SOME programs are in decline. Yes. Tube sites are changing the marketing, and some affiliate marketers are hurting, and their ratios for SOME material are harder to sell. Yes. The old days of throwing traffic and the same old rerun content sites with a face lift and new domain name are long gone. You actually have to have some skills on how to CONVERT and SELL people now a days. The days of the ape, and throwing shit at porn and waiting for some to stick are over.

I try and read some of your posts, as you are a content guru, and have years of experience in this business with some insight. But frankly, it's fucking hard as hell a lot of times, and honestly, I can see why many disregard your points and posts right out of the gate.

Your vast over simplifications, generalizations, and failure to think some of us succeed while you are faltering counteract most of your good points.

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08-13-2008, 02:32 PM

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08-13-2008, 03:45 PM

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08-13-2008, 03:46 PM

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08-16-2008, 06:05 AM

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08-16-2008, 06:11 AM

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08-16-2008, 06:16 AM

The tube sites are ruining it all.

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08-16-2008, 07:16 AM

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08-16-2008, 08:23 AM

I agree with most of what Paul Markham has said.

Shooting cheaper and cheaper and flooding the web with it is cutting your own throat... To push up quality to make a lot less but a lot better is a model used by HBO in TV to great success. To make product with the best girl, well shot, with good sound ....

The punters are out their buying their HD TV and giant monitors with 5.1 speakers...and they're the ones with the CC not the torrent kids. Give them some decent product to look at and they will pay for it.

While we are on the subject it would be good if review sites helped instead of making things worse. Their scoring systems are biased for content content and content, navigation bandwidth...I suppose showing their nerdy origins... But good review sites showing punters where good sites can be found would help...

Why do Met Art and other sites put out so much free stuff every week...I can't even find the time to view their free stuff never mind join their site...Is is maybe just to swamp the market to prevent any opposition?

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08-16-2008, 10:20 AM

Tube sites, bad economy, bored surfers looking at the same old stuff. The only way to make money these days it to offer exclusive high quality content in a select niche, and deliver it in a way superior to you competition. ( great site design incorporating the latest technology) Oh and you need lots of that content, in other words it takes money to make money. The days of starting out with $10,000 and building a site are over.

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08-16-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by misterhhs

I think their is just too much free content on the web. Why would someone pay if he can get it all for free ?

I have been hearing that since 2001.
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08-16-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by mark wolff

Tube sites, bad economy, bored surfers looking at the same old stuff. The only way to make money these days it to offer exclusive high quality content in a select niche, and deliver it in a way superior to you competition. ( great site design incorporating the latest technology) Oh and you need lots of that content, in other words it takes money to make money. The days of starting out with $10,000 and building a site are over.

Ah, but you can start a legal tube site with hundreds of vids for $10,000.

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08-16-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by baddog

I have been hearing that since 2001.

And it's still true.

Conversion rates have been falling for years. The percentage of people paying for porn is getting smaller and smaller.

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08-16-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by mark wolff

The days of starting out with $10,000 and building a site are over.

If you can't start with $10k and succeed you probably should find a more profitable hobby.

Originally posted by Libertine

And it's still true.

Conversion rates have been falling for years. Less and less people are paying for content.

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08-16-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by baddog

What do you do, TGP?

Mostly mainstream.

But my old adult sites are mainly se-oriented freesites. Some years ago, conversion rates of <20 on fairly large amounts of traffic were not all that uncommon for me. These days, 10 times the traffic is needed for the same amount of sales.

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