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Want to stop tubes...?

08-11-2008, 05:58 PM

Ruin them the same way you did tgp's......

Circle jerking...

Everyone open a tube and start to cj the surfers to hell and back they will give up with tube sites...
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08-11-2008, 05:59 PM

Ya I heard all the non-cj sites like the hun are only getting a few hits a day now
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08-11-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Ya I heard all the non-cj sites like the hun are only getting a few hits a day now

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08-11-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Ya I heard all the non-cj sites like the hun are only getting a few hits a day now

It is not that bad...
but surfer have shown they want the tube format... It is that simple..

We need to ruin that experience.... till there is only a few legal tubes left...
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08-11-2008, 06:30 PM

thats a great idea... then all my bookmarkers will make sure to stay on my illegal tube site only and will also tell all their friends that i have the best no bullshit tube site on the net..

i cam already see my aff signups going through the roof...
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08-11-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

thats a great idea... then all my bookmarkers will make sure to stay on my illegal tube site only and will also tell all their friends that i have the best no bullshit tube site on the net..

i cam already see my aff signups going through the roof...
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08-11-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Jon Clark

It is not that bad...
but surfer have shown they want the tube format... It is that simple..

We need to ruin that experience.... till there is only a few legal tubes left...

The problem is that many tubes grow virally, and not through trading.

Tonight, I saw someone on a mainstream board asking for a good place to download porn. An hour later, a few hundred people had a list of half a dozen tube sites with full scenes.

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08-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

The problem is that many tubes grow virally, and not through trading.

Tonight, I saw someone on a mainstream board asking for a good place to download porn. An hour later, a few hundred people had a list of half a dozen tube sites with full scenes.

the bigger problem is that everyone and their mother is starting tube sites...

the whole market is going to get massively saturated (even more so than now) with free content...

i am now starting to see the big picture and i am starting to agree with some that have posted here about quality content being the future of the pay model...
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08-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

The problem is that many tubes grow virally, and not through trading.

Tonight, I saw someone on a mainstream board asking for a good place to download porn. An hour later, a few hundred people had a list of half a dozen tube sites with full scenes.

People here help them by posting links....

I have said it over and over... Do not post links... Use this format...

www***illegaltubesitename***com

That way they don't get the free incoming links from gfy...
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08-11-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Ya I heard all the non-cj sites like the hun are only getting a few hits a day now

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08-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

the bigger problem is that everyone and their mother is starting tube sites...

the whole market is going to get massively saturated (even more so than now) with free content...

i am now starting to see the big picture and i am starting to agree with some that have posted here about quality content being the future of the pay model...

Quality content, interactive content (webcams), tangible products (toys), non-adult content (dating). That's the future of the pay model. Margins for quality content producers/sellers will get lower, since many people who would pay to upgrade from 30 second clips to 30 minute clips will not pay to upgrade from 30 minute watchable clips to 30 minute high quality clips.

The ones who are really in trouble are the affiliates. The ones with successful tube sites will do well, but of those who have neither strong established sites/networks, nor successful tubes, a majority will go out of business because of the new, lower margins.

5 years from now, paid content will be dominated by a handful of huge networks, and free content will be dominated by a handful of tube sites, as well as a number of old-timer giants, seo'ers, etc.

The affiliate programs that are now marginally profitable will disappear. The guys that, right now, do reasonably well with a handful of tgps and a dozen blogs will disappear. Consolidation is the future.

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08-11-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

i am now starting to see the big picture and i am starting to agree with some that have posted here about quality content being the future of the pay model...

I can open a tube tommorrow with better quality video them any paysite I have seen... 1080 wide... HD
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08-11-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

The problem is that many tubes grow virally, and not through trading.

Tonight, I saw someone on a mainstream board asking for a good place to download porn. An hour later, a few hundred people had a list of half a dozen tube sites with full scenes.

I've seen that often too, and you can bet it happens every single day somewhere on the net, probably multiple times.... it is getting to the point that 99% of all surfers will know where to find free, and all of the younger generation will have all the content they desire before they even get their first credit card

bottom line, no matter how much some deny it, the +1 minute video tube model is killing the industry

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08-11-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Jon Clark

I can open a tube tommorrow with better quality video them any paysite I have seen... 1080 wide... HD

yes, but you wont make it cost/profit if the site gets popular...
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08-11-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

yes, but you wont make it cost/profit if the site gets popular...

Why not...?

Bandwidth is dirt... I have more boxes then I know what to do with... It is win win....
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08-11-2008, 09:08 PM

if you want to damage the tubes that serve their videos you can start postnig the direct flv links on every message board known to man, I can assure that their bandwith bill will be 100 times bigger than their current
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08-11-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

the bigger problem is that everyone and their mother is starting tube sites...

the whole market is going to get massively saturated (even more so than now) with free content...

i am now starting to see the big picture and i am starting to agree with some that have posted here about quality content being the future of the pay model...

Saturation might be their undoing. Also dating sites that don't deliver and cost lots of money for nothing will start to see their numbers falling. Once the advertising is not covering the hosting bill many will fail. Some will survive though.

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08-11-2008, 09:27 PM

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if you want to damage the tubes that serve their videos you can start postnig the direct flv links on every message board known to man, I can assure that their bandwith bill will be 100 times bigger than their current

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08-11-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

Quality content, interactive content (webcams), tangible products (toys), non-adult content (dating). That's the future of the pay model. Margins for quality content producers/sellers will get lower, since many people who would pay to upgrade from 30 second clips to 30 minute clips will not pay to upgrade from 30 minute watchable clips to 30 minute high quality clips.

The ones who are really in trouble are the affiliates. The ones with successful tube sites will do well, but of those who have neither strong established sites/networks, nor successful tubes, a majority will go out of business because of the new, lower margins.

5 years from now, paid content will be dominated by a handful of huge networks, and free content will be dominated by a handful of tube sites, as well as a number of old-timer giants, seo'ers, etc.

The affiliate programs that are now marginally profitable will disappear. The guys that, right now, do reasonably well with a handful of tgps and a dozen blogs will disappear. Consolidation is the future.

You're not saying content is King are you?

Sites that truly have something very good and very different will survive. Sites who think that content is not very important, can be shot by anyone for very little money and everything is solved by throwing more traffic at it will struggle. Because Tube sites will simply be a better option for the surfers looking for this content.

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08-11-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

Quality content, interactive content (webcams), tangible products (toys), non-adult content (dating). That's the future of the pay model. Margins for quality content producers/sellers will get lower, since many people who would pay to upgrade from 30 second clips to 30 minute clips will not pay to upgrade from 30 minute watchable clips to 30 minute high quality clips.

The ones who are really in trouble are the affiliates. The ones with successful tube sites will do well, but of those who have neither strong established sites/networks, nor successful tubes, a majority will go out of business because of the new, lower margins.

5 years from now, paid content will be dominated by a handful of huge networks, and free content will be dominated by a handful of tube sites, as well as a number of old-timer giants, seo'ers, etc.

The affiliate programs that are now marginally profitable will disappear. The guys that, right now, do reasonably well with a handful of tgps and a dozen blogs will disappear. Consolidation is the future.

People would be willing to pay for 30 minute full scenes if they weren't freely available on hundreds of sites.

Also notable is that these freely available 30+ minute scenes are being used in a manner that violates the owner's copyrights in 99% of the cases.

Your model only works if copyright infringement continues unchecked forever, that's not likely to happen.

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08-11-2008, 09:44 PM

We should also realize that the people who are having their content stolen are not going to keep producing it indefinitely only to have it stolen.
It will eventually be locked down or the content producers will go out of business...and in that case the tube site guys will have nothing to give away to bring in the traffic.

This whole business model depends on being able to give away free content, what are they doing to do when the content is no longer there?

Everyone seems to think that the way things are going now is the way they're always going to go....it's what got all the sheep into the stock market in the 90's, it got all the sheep into real estate in this decade, and it's got all the sheep starting tube sites today.

It's an unsustainable business model, those of us being hurt by it now are just going to have to ride it out.

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08-12-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

People would be willing to pay for 30 minute full scenes if they weren't freely available on hundreds of sites.

That is exactly what I said.

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

Also notable is that these freely available 30+ minute scenes are being used in a manner that violates the owner's copyrights in 99% of the cases.

Your model only works if copyright infringement continues unchecked forever, that's not likely to happen.

It isn't? How exactly do you think it will get stopped?

American sites are the first thing to tackle. The DMCA protects those to a certain extent, so it requires a dedicated effort from large program owners to bring those down.

European sites are the second thing to tackle. Notice how The Pirate Bay is still up? Companies trying to bring that down include behemoths such as Microsoft and Adobe.

Finally, the Russian, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, etc sites. Good luck on those.

And then, there's another problem: many of the large adult companies aren't trying to fight the illegal tubes. They're trying to profit from them.

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08-12-2008, 09:19 AM

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08-12-2008, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

We should also realize that the people who are having their content stolen are not going to keep producing it indefinitely only to have it stolen.
It will eventually be locked down or the content producers will go out of business...and in that case the tube site guys will have nothing to give away to bring in the traffic.

A few content producers going out of business wouldn't make much of a dent. Meanwhile, the ones that stay on business can sell to paysite programs (which won't disappear entirely) and the (legal) tubes themselves.

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

This whole business model depends on being able to give away free content, what are they doing to do when the content is no longer there?

Like I said, content production won't just come to a full stop.

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

Everyone seems to think that the way things are going now is the way they're always going to go....it's what got all the sheep into the stock market in the 90's, it got all the sheep into real estate in this decade, and it's got all the sheep starting tube sites today.

It's an unsustainable business model, those of us being hurt by it now are just going to have to ride it out.

What's unsustainable about it? Let's take a legal tube site giving away content for free.

$5,50 a video, licensed for tube sites. A thousand 20-minute videos would make a decent inventory for a tube site, especially if you mix in a few thousand 2-5 minute sponsor vids.

Spend $20k on traffic from sites like Traffic Adept and Choker, and let word of mouth do the rest.

You will be in the top 500 sites in the world within a year, and it'll probably take that first year to recoup your initial investment. Conversion rates will be lower than on another type of free site, true, but sheer volume will more than make up for that.

Moreover, add premium accounts to the tube site, which cost $10 a month and allow users to download the original file, and you will most likely have most of the bandwidth costs paid for just with that. Advertising is just gravy

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