Knockout pressure point

Right on!

Adrenal Dump Training

Actually, I didn't think he was throwing a backfist. Looked like a back of the forearm strike to the mastoid area which is devastating.

Strike I thought he was throwing

That's great for those guys who do Ninjitsu, Krav Maga, etc.

For the rest of us, for our adrenal dump training and sparring, we go to places like:

http://americantopteam.com
http://graciebarra.com

Taking a 2 week course isn't gonna get you ready for the real world.

Maybe not, but most training is done around guys you know and like. I happen to believe that any time you can put an adrenal dump in and see how your body reacts I think it is a great learning experience. Removes the I know how to throw a roundhouse kick so I can kick anyone's ass syndrome. As far as the longevity of the course is concerned, I recently took a 2 day combat gunfighting course, and I learned a LOT.

You obviously have never trained before. My teammates are my brothers. As my family, it is everyone's responsiblity to go as hard as possible without causing permanent injury.

I have more hours training gun fighitng, point shooting, DEA course than most ppl I know. I can shoot mozambique, Israeli, whatever, without practice and even more important real world use, it won't matter a goddamn in the real world.

That's the point you keep missing. Unless you train your skills daily, in a high stress enviroment where you can push without breaking, you are wasting your time. Take as many courses as you like, don't rely on them. Rely on your daily training.

I didn't know I missed a point in fact agreed with just about everything you have said until this reply. Going hard and training under high stress and having an adrenal dump (like during a car accident) are two different things in the opinion of someone that has obviously never trained before. I will defer to you.

Will your training matter a goddamn in the real world unless you train under adrenal dump situations daily? You say no, I say yes. I will agree to disagree.

This is a bit more realistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1ym3yggR4

Great, but that's not the point.

Training and taking a course are two different things. Unless you are consistent in your training, under a high stress excercise, you will lose your edge. When you did your firearm testing, were you timed? That mimics the adrenal dump.

Damn that is awesome.

you don't seem to get that you can't just train and rehearse movements in a vacuum. if you want to be a boxer... you have to spar. period. if you want to be a good martial artist.. you have to spar. if you want to be a good kick boxer, you have to spar.

real interaction is every bit as important as any other aspect of training.

you can't learn to be a boxer without hitting and getting hit.

thats whats funny about shit head talking abotu training federal law enforcement. big fucking deal. the only reason for that is to give them "something".... you can't be effective at anything without consistent and rigorous training.

Sorry, I didn't think we were arguing that you should take a course and be done with your training. Of course you train consistently or you lose your edge. The more often you train and under high stress the better. Fine motor skill activities are parishable. I drilled two weeks ago, but has been over a year since I had my handgun training. (Am I prepared for an all out gunfight where I will perform flawlessly?) No. Am I better off if I hadn't taken a handgun course? Yes.

I haven't taken the rmcat course, but plan to. I am assuming that their goal is an actual adrenal dump, not to mimic one. Much like parachuting out of a plane or having a car accident. I'll let you know if it really does this.

Google Louis Awerbuck. He is the man. But yeah, the closer to combat your training can be the better no argument here.

Yeah. Not sure where rehearsing movements in a vacuum was part of my threads here, but if I insinuated a no sparring/rolling program to become a good martial artist, i would like to change my argument now. I also think you should wear Tapout shirts if you really want to be a good fighter.

Sometimes things can be miscontrued on a message board, sorry. We are on the same page!

I personally like Affliction shirts better.

Let me clarify. rmcat is supposed to be a supplement to martial arts training, not a replacement. When Royce gracie comes to your place to give a seminar, this is a supplement to your training, not a replacement. I now see what you where the confusion was. My firearms course was not the first time I had trained with my guns or the last either. But it gave me some new ways to train.

I just figured out what you thought I was saying. Oops! Only full contact fighters are allowed to wear Affliction. Unless I go home and challenge my wife to a fight, I'll have to wear Tapout.

Hehe. thats were you are wrong. I can and have done it on several occasions. One of the things that makes it function of the extreme pain that is involved, and thats the reason that it does not work as well on drunks.

Dude relax. this move that is being demonstrated is NOT something that you use in a FIGHT. but something that you use to PREVENT a fight. Or to assist someone else.

what i understand him to be saying is that you have to train hard in real world situations to be effective. i agree with that.

if i misunderstood you, then i apologize.

the "pressure point" thing is a common reference in chinese martial arts and implies just what the video attempts to show (although its obviously not real/fake or the kid is just one more jedi wannabe) - which basically says that with little effort you can strike certain points on the body and interfere either directly with the nervous system, chi or the invisible unicorns or whatever. kicking someone in the face and knocking them out isn't anything to do with "pressure points" in the context of the video and what they are demonstrating. you can easily transfer well over 1000 pounds of force with a shin to the chest or head. thats not "pressure points" and jarring someones brain dramatically in any fashion doesn't automatically mean it has to have a special name, special place to strike or whatever.

I have served my time. I have a black belt in Go Ju Ryu, have spent substantial time training shotokan, kickboxing and boxing. I have owned a martial arts school, been to countless tournaments and schools and seen more delusional bullshit in martial arts the business of "self defense" than you could see at 10,000 star trek conventions. I have seen people with black belts in karate who have never sparred once. I have seen countless delusional women who wanted more than anything to believe they were a badass and "powerful" that i would just pray they never tried to hit someone and actually had a pissed off person take them out. i have seen endless kung fu schools talking about all their secret, mystical, uber-deadly techniques that by no strange coincidence, can't be demonstrated and those same fucking retards who finally get bullied into entering a tournament... getting totally decimated by someone with 1/2 the experience/training.

the whole world of martial arts is 90% bullshit. there is a solid reason MMA ended up being kickboxing/grappling - because it gravitated towards what works in the real world. What works best to fuck someone up isn't someones magical, mystical, 1000 year old, venomous dragon teeth on fire technique... turns out... basic kicks, punches, blocks, take downs, chokes, arm bars, leg bars etc etc are what works in real life.

few things annoy me more than people trying to talk about "secret techniques" in martial arts.

meet me in vegas at internext.

i'll give you 3 chances to do it to me in front of any crowd you want.

then i get to hit you just once.

Yep, a lot of martial arts stuff is bullshit. I think MMA and in large part Gracie Jiu Jitsu has squashed a lot of the hype.

I am not one of those guys that is all about the mystical death touch. If that stuff worked the way it is demonstrated many times, these guys would be the heavyweight champions of the world.

Better not try to knockout any non believers

Oh no's... Where do I hide???

Why are you taking it like I am going against you personally, and like I would want to fight with you? Grow up.

And since you dont know me, you make a big mistake thinking that I would need more than the one strike.

i'm telling you that you can't do what was done in the video (and what was done in the video was obviously fake).

you are saying you not only can do it, but you have done it.

i'm saying you can demonstrate.

shouldn't be a problem for you. you should be able to do it on the first try and i get up, we all laugh, people laugh at me... we shake hands and go get drunk.

What that guy did in the video IS fake,. But the principal is real and can be done With one hand even.

The principal that he is showing, even though fake, is what the LVNR is based on for law enforcment.

It can be done.

I will give my two cents... a pressure point isn't something used to fight with, as the only tool at least They can be used to direct, move, and push an opponent in a direction you want. Using them with enough force to stop somebody could kill them or really hurt them.

They aren't some tiny spot to touch and all hell breaks loose, but some spots, like under the nose, jaws, can be very handy to use in the proper situation. Take getting a drunk out of a car that won't listen to you, you can grab his jaw bones, pull his head and yank him right out of the car, all without drawing a gun or opening a door.

The real use of the pressure points, is the use of them with deadly or crippling force. Such as an arm bar, neck or leg locks, neck shots, and more all use pressure points and really are designed to be used with deadly/crippling force. We just don't use them that way.

And I don't care what someone else said above, all law enforcement is trained to attack and use pressure points. We have zones on the body we are trained to attack with areas that we can get in trouble by hitting. With the asp/pr24 and our hands, all are one shot and done pressure points to totally stop an attack. Like a side of the leg shot, I don't care how big and bad ass you are, you will stop attacking when that pressure point is hit.